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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 16, 2023 21:47:37 GMT
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I watched a bit of early gameplay and it did look like the person was just straight up laying into the enemies without much resistance
I think this one looks too jarringly similar to Bloodborne for me. Not sold on the puppet theme either. The hookshot looks cool though
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 17, 2023 6:37:46 GMT
Without spoiling it there is more to the lore than just puppets, which includes the enemies you fight. It's a more straight forward story when compared to a Souls game, but that's not to say there's nothing there. There's a bit of mystery and they do some interesting turns with it.
Ended up beating it last night. I had heard the true ending was some kind of convuleted way of getting it like a Souls game and I guess if you make the wrong choices you can lock yourself out of it, but I ended up getting it without even realising it. Anyway, what a game. What else can I say here other than I think it stands shoulder to shoulder with some of the best in the genre and might even do things more interesting than others. There's no boss fight that's reused so they all feel memorable, the weapon durabliity was pretty interesting, swtiching out handles and blades to make your own weapon was cool, one of the best looking games in the genre. When I first heard of the game as Pinnochio Dark Souls I was rolling my eyes and now here I am loving the game encouraging anyone to play it. It's that good.
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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 17, 2023 8:40:14 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 9:05:58 GMT
swtiching out handles and blades to make your own weapon was cool That was the only real disappointment for me. I dont know if other builds would be different but the boss weapons out-performed the normal mix and match weapons so dramatically that I never really used them after I got the trident. I know they have rebalanced them to compensate for that, so new players probably wont run into it but unless you were exploiting a very specific weakness, its better to stick with the uncustomisable ones.
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 17, 2023 9:10:52 GMT
This and Lords of the Fallen are 40 quid in the sale. Me don’t know which one to get.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 17, 2023 9:16:40 GMT
I fucked around with a couple but stuck with rapier as my weapon of choice. Like you say tho, boss weapons are just better all round, better stats with unique movesets and inbuilt parries and movement options for some. I think the umbrella had better stats at +2 compared to the rapier at +5. But I don't necessarily mind that, boss weapons should be feeling powerful. But the weapon swapping was at least interesting to do, on a repeat playthrough I can def see myself fucking around more with it. Opened it up so that motivity or advance weapons could still be usable with my tech build, which is something you cant do in Souls games
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 9:21:29 GMT
I stuck with the trident and the dragon sword with the booster glaive + whatever elemental blade I needed. I'm will probably do an NG+ at some point since they dropped more mats to let you mess about with builds a bit more. I hoarded all my resources for just four blades which isnt great for a game with a ton of cool options.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 17, 2023 9:24:50 GMT
It's essentially the same as any Souls game for me, I find a weapon moveset I like and stick to it. Plenty of cool weapons I didn't try in Souls games but I always figure to leave those for another playthrough. Agree that they should have more materials around for the normal weapons. I think the balance for boss weapon materials is fine, its just rare enough to level one of them to max. Think I had Two Dragon Sword at +5, Trident at +2 and Umbrella at +2 by the end.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 9:41:24 GMT
I had trident, dragon sword, acid blade and fire dagger maxed by the end which I suppose is actually a decent if not better return than most souls games, to be fair. But, yeah, more than most souls games I did actually want to play around with the weapons rather finding one big bonk I liked and sticking with it for 30 hours.
And, yeah, you can farm mats up to +3 for boss weapons quite reliably if you can be arsed, its just getting them up to +5 where you have to be choosy.
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Post by JonFE on Nov 17, 2023 10:03:04 GMT
As an Advance build, I couldn't actually use any boss weapons effectively as none seem to scale with Advance. So, I stuck to my elemental weapons, the salamander dagger, the electric coil stick and chainsaw, the acid spear and late-game to the steel cutter. These I upgraded as high as I could and changed their handles around mostly to improve their speed.
I do intend to respec and use the Two Dragon Sword in NG+ though...
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Post by bichii2 on Nov 17, 2023 10:04:04 GMT
Can I just use my starting sword for the whole game if I keep leveling it up or is that severely gimping myself?
I've picked up some weapons along the way but on quick inspection do less damage to my starting sword.
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Post by wunty on Nov 17, 2023 10:36:28 GMT
This and Lords of the Fallen are 40 quid in the sale. Me don’t know which one to get. It's a tough one. I'll be literally the only person on the planet saying this, but after ploughing a good 5-6 hours into this so far (which is still early days I admit), LotF is comfortably my preferred game of the two, by quite a margin.
This is great mind, but it's still not grabbing me. There's something just a bit off about it I can't put my finger on. It feels a bit... basic?
LotF still has performance issues on some platforms but they've rolled another big patch of fixes yesterday and are still hard at work on it.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 17, 2023 10:54:33 GMT
Can I just use my starting sword for the whole game if I keep leveling it up or is that severely gimping myself? I've picked up some weapons along the way but on quick inspection do less damage to my starting sword. For what it's worth, I went through the whole last area with a fully upgraded rapier and was still viable.
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Post by JonFE on Nov 17, 2023 10:58:58 GMT
Can I just use my starting sword for the whole game if I keep leveling it up or is that severely gimping myself? I've picked up some weapons along the way but on quick inspection do less damage to my starting sword. I guess you can use it as far as you want, unless you find another weapon that scales with your stats better.
Don't forget that the moves of your weapon are mostly dictated by its handle, and you can change the handles around other normal (not boss) weapon. So, if you are happy with the moves of your starting sword and find another weapon that you like but prefer the moveset/weapon art of your current sword, you can change the handles between them, basically giving the new weapon the other sword's moveset.
Also, handles can also be upgraded to scale better with your stats (once per stat, IIRC)...
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Post by bichii2 on Nov 17, 2023 11:42:13 GMT
I know some of the old From games did it but why oh why make it so I need to load to the hotel to lvl up. Zzzz.
First death was of course stupid. Went back to the factory and died to one of those flame big robots, didn't realise I was on fire.
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Post by JonFE on Nov 17, 2023 11:46:24 GMT
I know some of the old From games did it but why oh why make it so I need to load to the hotel to lvl up. Zzzz. It's also because you meet up with the various NPC's to advance their quests, stories etc., but that's a valid comment as far as leveling up is concerned.
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Post by bichii2 on Nov 17, 2023 11:48:56 GMT
Went back to try the puppet of the future that I was scared to try before. Plus I hadn't even realised yesterday that I had drained that area.
Now of course I had to load back to level up after killing it.
Currently lvl 47 I think Vitality 20 Vigor 16 Capacity 12 Motivity 28 Tech 5 Advance 6
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 11:54:05 GMT
I know some of the old From games did it but why oh why make it so I need to load to the hotel to lvl up. Zzzz. It's also because you meet up with the various NPC's to advance their quests, stories etc., but that's a valid comment as far as leveling up is concerned. I said it a few pages ago but, Souls/Elden Ring generally solve this by dumping merchants and blacksmiths in the hub and letting you level up anywhere. Theres enough stuff in there to keep you coming back regularly. I know the idea is to force you to interact with the fairy but 'I'll use my power to help you' x1000 isnt particularly engaging dialogue most of the time.
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Post by bichii2 on Nov 17, 2023 12:54:56 GMT
Just finishing the grave yard cathedral area. Remembered that yesterday I got the pipe wrench so upgraded that to +4 and put the strength crank on the handle and now nearly every normal enemy dies in one hit. If it's a 1v1 I can block than 1 hit to kill and get all my health back.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 17, 2023 12:59:19 GMT
First death was of course stupid. Went back to the factory and died to one of those flame big robots, didn't realise I was on fire. Yep, that sounds like shovel prick.
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Post by wunty on Nov 17, 2023 12:59:31 GMT
I've swapped out my rapier for a huge knife pole arm thing that also scales with dex (or whatever it's called). I'm also one shotting enemies on the approach to the cathedral.
So...there.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 17, 2023 13:19:32 GMT
I know the idea is to force you to interact with the fairy but 'I'll use my power to help you' x1000 isnt particularly engaging dialogue most of the time. Its no 'Bearer of the..Seek..seek...lest'
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 13:28:19 GMT
I've swapped out my rapier for a huge knife pole arm thing that also scales with dex (or whatever it's called). I'm also one shotting enemies on the approach to the cathedral. So...there. They are very one shottable. Whats your point?
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Post by wunty on Nov 17, 2023 13:36:07 GMT
I've swapped out my rapier for a huge knife pole arm thing that also scales with dex (or whatever it's called). I'm also one shotting enemies on the approach to the cathedral. So...there. They are very one shottable. Whats your point? Steady on chap it was a light hearted response to bichiis post.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 17, 2023 13:38:24 GMT
They are very one shottable. Whats your point? Steady on chap it was a light hearted response to bichiis post. I think the inverted discussion in another thread has made everyone a little topsy-turvy... /j
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 13:40:12 GMT
Im dealing with a lot of pricks today and seeing passive aggressiveness everywhere
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Post by wunty on Nov 17, 2023 13:48:50 GMT
So I’m a prick as well now.
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Post by bichii2 on Nov 17, 2023 13:49:30 GMT
Sweet..found the chap who gives you boss weapons..I remember reading about two of these being great. If only I hadn't consumed all the boss souls already.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 17, 2023 13:51:30 GMT
So I’m a prick as well now. One of many, if its any consolation
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Post by wunty on Nov 17, 2023 13:52:36 GMT
It is. Thank you.
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