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Post by Syrette on Nov 30, 2023 16:20:37 GMT
Napoleon Somehow they made a 2hr30 film feel rushed. Skips or glosses over a lot and feels like a greatest hits montage stuck together. The battle scenes are good, and Napoleon and Josephine's scenes together are funny and tragic. Just have a feeling the directors cut will be a better film. 7.5/10 Another trip to the Everyman and it's ruined all other cinemas for me. I don't think I can go to a different one now. Yup. I'm waiting for the extended version on Apple TV.
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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 30, 2023 16:21:04 GMT
Guy Pearce is a quality actor - bloody ridiculous he's never had an Oscar nomination.
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Post by Zyrr on Nov 30, 2023 16:31:19 GMT
Removing all the mystery of the derelict ship in Alien was just a shit idea in general. These things are best left to the imagination and are nearly always a disappointment when we get answers no-one really ever needed. Hollywood is so desperate for material they're just trawling through classic franchises for any reference - however tiny - to make a whole film out of.
Is this what people really want? Because this sort of creative bankruptcy is how we ended up with Solo: A Star Wars Story.
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Post by Rich on Nov 30, 2023 16:53:27 GMT
I agree it wasn't really needed, but didn't think Solo was that bad a film in the end.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 30, 2023 17:09:09 GMT
Found Solo to be very mediocre. Maybe not bad and certainly better than some of the worst parts of the franchise, but far from good. It was clearly unnecessary before it even came out and the film itself never proved why it existed. Competent maybe, but not very interesting.
I was pretty happy with Disney's tenure of the franchise, but Solo followed by Rise of Skywalker really did kill off enthusiasm for it on the big screen (stop now before you say I missed out The Last Jedi - it was great).
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 30, 2023 17:10:44 GMT
Instead of telling a story, Solo focused on explaining pointless shit.
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Post by kal on Nov 30, 2023 17:25:28 GMT
I do kind of hate prequel syndrome of explaining every single little thing - that’s how he got his jacket/hat/scar/limp/sidekick/dead wife/furry dice etc is the least interesting narrative device there is.
Prequels are really problematic in general. They’re difficult to create any dramatic tension because you know roughly how things will end before you start, and again the tendency is just to use them for fan service and give everything a back story.
Godfather II is unique because it uses the prequel sections to mirror what is happening in the present, and show how Michael’s journey is the opposite to Vito’s. I wish others would use the format in other meaningful and interesting ways.
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Post by gamingdave on Nov 30, 2023 17:42:28 GMT
Fire Walk With Me is a good example of a prequel done well. You know how it is going to end, but have no idea how it is going to get there, and there are other stories told.
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2023 17:44:13 GMT
Napoleon Somehow they made a 2hr30 film feel rushed. Skips or glosses over a lot and feels like a greatest hits montage stuck together. The battle scenes are good, and Napoleon and Josephine's scenes together are funny and tragic. Just have a feeling the directors cut will be a better film. 7.5/10 Another trip to the Everyman and it's ruined all other cinemas for me. I don't think I can go to a different one now. Yup. I'm waiting for the extended version on Apple TV. I'm waiting for the repackaged miniseries on disney plus, Faraway Downs style.
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Post by geefe on Nov 30, 2023 17:58:06 GMT
Covenant shits the bed when they meet David and his fingering What?
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2023 18:05:29 GMT
Of course that caught your attention.
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2023 18:06:24 GMT
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Post by Rich on Nov 30, 2023 18:09:01 GMT
Does Rogue One count as a prequel? That was done right.
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Post by geefe on Nov 30, 2023 18:14:34 GMT
You disappoint me, cubby. I was hoping for a thematic sequel to Shame.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 30, 2023 18:43:22 GMT
Does Rogue One count as a prequel? That was done right. As the final scene leads straight into the first scene of Star Wars, it's the most prequelly of the Star Wars saga.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 30, 2023 18:51:53 GMT
Does Rogue One count as a prequel? That was done right. I do kind of disagree with that in that it’s still an answer to a question nobody asked. It probably came out as well as you could hope for but it’s still impossible to give a shit about *anything* in the entire movie. And the final few minutes is dreadful nostalgia porn. Solo would have been fine if it was just Rando Lasertits: A Star Wars Story. Just some guy going on a wacky space romp.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 30, 2023 18:55:33 GMT
Well it's the best Star Wars film since Empire as far as I'm concerned I'm very pleased it, along with Andor, exists.
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Post by simple on Nov 30, 2023 19:19:24 GMT
One other issue I have with prequels is often the events of the original are huge and iconic epic moments in the world of whatever franchise it is - but because they’re the newer entries in the franchise prequels need to make audience expectations of ever increasing drama and spectacle by inserting bigger and more epic events in before the original thus making the events of the original seem more everyday in retrospect.
Oh you destroyed a space station? We had open galactic war with constant gigantic battles and massive world shaking tests of personal and emotional strength
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 30, 2023 19:28:06 GMT
I wish there was more fingering in big budget sci-fi.
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Post by kal on Nov 30, 2023 19:30:03 GMT
Well it's the best Star Wars film since Empire as far as I'm concerned I'm very pleased it, along with Andor, exists. It probably is, but that’s a low bar. It’s pure fan service and really adds nothing of substance. Enjoyable enough sure but still part of the problem of these properties just becoming farmed for content.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 30, 2023 19:46:46 GMT
The problem is that they continually devalue some really classic stuff. Throw away lines that just added a bit of colour get a forensic explanation. Even the decent stuff takes away from the originals.
Obi-Wan is arguably the worst. It wasn’t terrible in and of itself but, among other things, he clowns on Vader *again* making one of the most feared, sinister characters in movie history look like a bitch.
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Post by Lukus on Nov 30, 2023 19:51:18 GMT
Yeah, the mystery and 'awesome in your own head' thing is utterly ruined when they make a film entirely comprised of explaining small bits of dialogue from the originals.
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Post by simple on Nov 30, 2023 19:51:40 GMT
That they got to fight each other again at all slightly lessens the final duel in the original because it doesn’t feel as unique if they didn’t it a bunch of times in the past
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Post by rawshark on Nov 30, 2023 20:23:43 GMT
The problem is that they continually devalue some really classic stuff. Throw away lines that just added a bit of colour get a forensic explanation. Even the decent stuff takes away from the originals. Obi-Wan is arguably the worst. It wasn’t terrible in and of itself but, among other things, he clowns on Vader *again* making one of the most feared, sinister characters in movie history look like a bitch. Plus it takes him forever to actually dig out his lightsaber, so for the first half of the series he’s clotheslining stormtroopers with scrappy dappy Leia. And then there’s lasergate-gate.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 30, 2023 20:27:27 GMT
That they got to fight each other again at all slightly lessens the final duel in the original because it doesn’t feel as unique if they didn’t it a bunch of times in the past You’d think Obi Wan would have brought up how he chopped Vader to pieces before. Twice.
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2023 20:33:07 GMT
To be fair, Darth says "I sense something. A presence I've not felt since…" he didn't say "since Revenge of the Sith", he meant "since Obi Wan on Disney plus"
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Post by wunty on Nov 30, 2023 20:33:30 GMT
It's amazing how shit they've managed to make Star Wars. They've literally got a galaxy of shit to explore spanning thousands of years and they've made it all seem the size of a village where everything important takes place within three generations.
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Post by sport✅ on Nov 30, 2023 20:53:35 GMT
Stupid millennial cinema. Get some of that proper genx stuff on. Amirite!?
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Post by retro74 on Nov 30, 2023 20:58:44 GMT
Yeah it’s all just commercial output now, same as MCU but with different characters
Even the darling, Rogue One, was only ok - except for the end bit, which badly miss judged and quite embarrassing that it was signed off
Obi-Wan was terrible too, should never have been made
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 1, 2023 2:31:07 GMT
Watched Rogue One a few days ago and it's great, though I agree with everything everyone has said about prequels.
When I was a kid I always thought The Empire had been around for hundreds of years, not about the length of a Conservative government.
I'm not entirely sure how I squared that with obi-wan and luke's dad fighting in the clone wars, and obi-wan being a jedi, but I guess I assumed the universe was a large place and the clone wars were probably a different thing, and the jedi might have continued after the Empire took over.
One of the things the OT did well was hint at a much larger galaxy with a lot more history and stuff going on than the movies touched on. So your imagination could fill all that in.
Then they fed that by all the little bits of info on the back of star wars figures boxes, or in video games, etc.. which worked better as it wasn't trying to cram it all into the main movies.
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