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Post by retro74 on Nov 26, 2023 23:57:37 GMT
I thought Love & Thunder was fine? The tone was a bit weird sometimes, and the jokes didn't land as well as they did in Ragnarok. But people seem to see it as this travesty, whereas to me it feels on a par with most other MCU stuff. (but then I think most of those movies top out at "perfectly fine", so maybe my standards are a bit wonky) Definitely get what you’re saying, the Avengers ones top out at about a 7 for the better entries but a 4 for the likes of Age of Ultron So yeah Love and Thunder was on par with some of the rest, certainly on a par with the Dark World, which was absolutely terrible
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 27, 2023 3:09:30 GMT
I think the better ones (Winter Soldier, first Avengers, Iron Man 3) get to an 8 for me, I'm just not much of a comic book guy. My favourite superhero movie is Spiderman 2, and that's more than 20 years old now.
But yeah, I like most MCU things I've watched just fine, and Love & Thunder falls in that bracket for me.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 27, 2023 4:34:27 GMT
Ragnarok was one of my favorites, and Love and Thunder is one of the weaker ones. Which is interesting given the similarities.
Rewatching Ragnarok after Love & Thunder I liked it a bit less, though it's still the better movie as it's more tonally consistent and a bit less self indulgent.
But I think a big part of why I loved Ragnarok the first time was that it was something fresh and new, whereas by the time of Love & Thunder some of the quirks had worn a bit thin. Though Guardians 3 didn't really have that problem, despite being in the same ballpark.
Love & Thunder is my daughters favorite Marvel movie though, so I think it's definitely a movie that appeals more to kids. A lot of the enjoyment I got out of it in the cinema was her reactions to it. She didn't see Ragnarok until after, and thought it was good, but not as good.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 27, 2023 5:10:22 GMT
I think it's possible that people just have Waititi fatigue. I love the guy, but he's a known quantity now with fingers in a lot of pies, and maybe it's getting to be a bit much for people.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 27, 2023 5:27:49 GMT
Also it's possible that the "lol jokes" thing doesn't work quite as well when one of your characters is suffering from a terminal illness.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 27, 2023 8:21:11 GMT
(but then I think most of those movies top out at "perfectly fine", so maybe my standards are a bit wonky) This is honestly where I am with them as well. I'm generally a bit of a defender of current-day Marvel output over in the MCU thread. I think it is all perfectly fine and has been ever since the beginning. There is the odd standout film (such as the Captain America films and most of The Avengers films), but even since Iron Man 1 I've felt they have been enjoyable watch once and forget about them films. I also generally prefer them when they don't take themselves too seriously and emphasis fun over frowning (the Captain America films being an exception), so the "lol, jokes" of the Waititi films work fine for me.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 27, 2023 8:26:21 GMT
They're all at least decent fun action movies (possibly excluding the handful I haven't seen which are all post-endgame). What mostly elevates them is the fact we've become attached to these characters over a decade or so, although that might also be becoming a weakness.
Rewatching the entire set up to Endgame over the past 2 years I don't think there were any that I didn't enjoy. Though the ones I liked best weren't always the ones I'd liked best originally.
There's nothing in the ones I've seen that's down on the level of the star wars prequels, or rise of skywalker, or the hobbit movies. Or, shudder, the transformers movies.
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 27, 2023 8:28:22 GMT
Love and thunder is tonally awful, to start off the movie with a very grim child death then straight into a slapstick god scene must have sounded a lot better on paper than the final result. That kind of put me off the movie whilst watching it, if they changed the beginning I may have enjoyed it a lot more.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 27, 2023 9:18:15 GMT
Also it's possible that the "lol jokes" thing doesn't work quite as well when one of your characters is suffering from a terminal illness. The issue is more that the 'lol jokes' just arent very funny. It feels very similar to Ghostbusters 2016, like they turned the camera on, let people talk shit for an hour and then tried to hack a movie together from it. I would have been absolutely fine with Thor 4 being a comedy if it just made me laugh. And its not like he cant do it, some of his movies are absolutely hilarious it just felt like he was completely out of ideas for this one and ultimately didnt give a shit
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 27, 2023 9:29:49 GMT
Just Go With It - 2/5
Puerile Adam Sandler Rom-Com elevated by Jennifer Aniston have a hula-off with Nicole Kidman. Really quite impressive that Sandler has the balls to put himself out there with this stuff, his character is an absolute piece of shit who treats women like dirt but somehow they cant get enough of it. Classic 2010s. I would be lying if I said I didn't have a laugh.
Talk to Me - 4/5
A really nasty and effective teen horror. A possessed hand opens a link to the afterlife and allows kids to see and speak to dead people in a state of euphoric bliss, which they use as an excuse to have tik-tok parties. IT DOES NOT GO WELL. Not quite at the level of Hereditary, The Witch, Midsommar, The Empty Man.
The Woman King 2/5
An elite unit of all-female royal guards in 19th Century Africa take on a rival kingdom. Great cast, great story - told in drudgingly dull, syrupy, plodding fashion. Could have been a really fun hard-hitting genre movie but it ends up being a sanitised Disney/Marvel mess.
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Post by eleven63 on Nov 27, 2023 9:33:01 GMT
Hmmm...you say it's still Die Hard yet you scored it an 8? Looses 2 points - 1- No one can fire a machine gun properly, all from the waist. It was annoying the first time I saw it, and it still is. 2- The helicopter seemingly comes from the other side of America. The Johnsons are on the ground in front of Nakatomi tower. They then spend 10 mins flying around skyscraper's - Nakatomi tower stands alone - it was annoying the first time I saw it, and it still is. It's a great film, watched annually at this time of year. ✌️
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Post by dfunked on Nov 27, 2023 9:42:21 GMT
No country for old men - 9/10 Anton is one of those roles it feels like an actor was born to play. An absolutely flawless performance by Bardem. Excellent stuff!
Sicario - 8/10 I must've been pissed when I first watched it, as I could barely remember any of it. Absolutely loved Del Toro's performance in it.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 27, 2023 9:48:59 GMT
The tonal issues with Love & Thunder were crippling. the format of the majority of the film was "Knock knock" "Who's there?" "Funny Thing!" "Funny thing? That's hilarious! Funny thing who?" "Funny thing and cancer" "Oh I'm sad now." But the jokes were like something from another decade too. Screaming goats? How 2013! An axe acting like a jealous girlfriend? Why not a mace acting like my mother-in-law? And if all else fails, get someone to do a comedy kebab shop owner accent like what Harry Enfield used to do. Never fails. And the mid-credit scene... surely between this and Eternals the Marvel committee were having a contest to introduce the shittest, most miscast characters into the MCU? It was a failure on every level.
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Post by cristar on Nov 27, 2023 9:50:37 GMT
Barbie The missus had wanted to watch this for a while, so eventually agreed knowing it would not be for me. And it wasn't for me. Not funny at all really. Carry On dumb style comedy mostly, men chasing Barbie and running into everything lol. A lot of characters just annoying and stupid, not funny. Loads of 'lessons', so a decent movie for kids probably. The cast was absolutely stacked though. Cool seeing half the Sex Education cast. Strange seeing the ginger from the shit last series of Skins. Overall, just boring. The missus fell asleep ffs (and she also thought it was a bit crap) so I fast forwarded a lot of the last 40 minutes. Maybe we missed the good bits.
Marketing 10/10 Film 4/10
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Post by rawshark on Nov 27, 2023 10:08:43 GMT
Maybe we missed the good bits. Nope.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 27, 2023 10:16:52 GMT
If you didn't like what you saw, you aren't going to like the rest. Personally thought it was great all the way through.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 27, 2023 10:39:31 GMT
But Barbie was awesome?! Love and thunder is tonally awful, to start off the movie with a very grim child death then straight into a slapstick god scene must have sounded a lot better on paper than the final result. That kind of put me off the movie whilst watching it, if they changed the beginning I may have enjoyed it a lot more. 'Slapstick god scene' means the bit where thor does the splits? That was the most annoying bit as it basically set the whole movie up as something not to be taken seriously and where there was very little threat. Despite Bale being a scary bad guy.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 27, 2023 10:41:12 GMT
To be fair I thought Barbie had a very strong start, but I did lose interest during the second half of the film.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 27, 2023 10:49:49 GMT
If you didn't like what you saw, you aren't going to like the rest. Personally thought it was great all the way through. Yep, thought it was great too.
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Post by simple on Nov 27, 2023 11:02:32 GMT
But I think a big part of why I loved Ragnarok the first time was that it was something fresh and new, whereas by the time of Love & Thunder some of the quirks had worn a bit thin. Though Guardians 3 didn't really have that problem, despite being in the same ballpark. I suppose as an adult viewer what makes the difference is that for all the jokes the characters in the GOTG movies (less so the first one) acknowledge the stakes of their story. So the emotional weight and action means something within the internal logic of the movie. Ragnarok too but in Love & Thunder if the characters don’t care then why should we? Also having Christian Bale be basically in the right doesn’t exactly start the conflict from the usual ‘cheer the hero’ place as most superhero movies. Obviously kids can just enjoy the things without being such needy tryhards as us.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 27, 2023 11:14:56 GMT
The goats, seriously the fucking goats, who the hell approved that absolute shit?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 27, 2023 11:23:28 GMT
The goats, seriously the fucking goats, who the hell approved that absolute shit? . I guess someone who's been in a coma for the last 15 years or so.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 27, 2023 11:24:04 GMT
Just some forward warning - 2024 is a leap year. So you all have one extra day of me being a miserable bastard to deal with.
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Post by Saul1138 on Nov 27, 2023 11:48:38 GMT
I thought Barbie was okay, but then, I didn’t hate Love and Thunder. It is on a par with Thor 2. I’d watch it again, but not in a hurry. Whereas Barbie, I wouldn’t object if someone said shall we watch this?
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Post by loto on Nov 27, 2023 11:55:45 GMT
No country for old men - 9/10 Anton - An absolutely flawless performance by Bardem. I read that it was a toss up between Mark Strong and Javier Bardem for the role, but impossible to see past the latter as he’s incredible ‘When do you close?’ ‘..about now I think’ panicked ‘Now isn’t a time’
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Post by jono62 on Nov 27, 2023 12:26:39 GMT
Just some forward warning - 2024 is a leap year. So you all have one extra day of me being a miserable bastard to deal with. I was ready to make 2024 great, but with this news what's the point?
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 27, 2023 13:26:40 GMT
But Barbie was awesome?! Love and thunder is tonally awful, to start off the movie with a very grim child death then straight into a slapstick god scene must have sounded a lot better on paper than the final result. That kind of put me off the movie whilst watching it, if they changed the beginning I may have enjoyed it a lot more. 'Slapstick god scene' means the bit where thor does the splits? That was the most annoying bit as it basically set the whole movie up as something not to be taken seriously and where there was very little threat. Despite Bale being a scary bad guy. I can't quite remember in detail but I meant where Bales child dies after days of starvation at the beginning, then in the next scene he's confronted by some fat jovial cartoony sun god in a cartoon oasis and Bale kills him and becomes 'evil'. Its just a terrible idea and sets off the uneven tone throughout. I'm not sure what Waititi was going for but it didn't work... To be fair I didn't like JoJo Rabbit either for similar reasons but it was certainly better than Love and Thunder. I love Waititi's other films though, HFTWP, Boy, WWDITS etc. are all great.
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 27, 2023 13:29:05 GMT
Love and Thunder went to far into the jokes (which were poor) with the background of what was supposed to be some tragic story. I’m guessing they were going for the contrast but it failed badly. I’m sure I’ve seen even Waititi say they got it wrong.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 27, 2023 13:57:58 GMT
I can't quite remember in detail but I meant where Bales child dies after days of starvation at the beginning, then in the next scene he's confronted by some fat jovial cartoony sun god in a cartoon oasis and Bale kills him and becomes 'evil'. Its just a terrible idea and sets off the uneven tone throughout. I'm not sure what Waititi was going for but it didn't work... Ah, I thought that bit worked pretty well. I wanted to kill the fat god at that point, so I could sympathize with Bale.
Thor doing the splits to defeat an army without breaking a sweat, and joking around with Sif after she lost an arm, not so much. As Simple says, if the characters don't care then it's hard for us to be invested in them.
Though I guess you could argue that the entire story is being told by Korg, and he's shown to be an unreliable narrator, so the whole thing is effectively an extended 'and then he was like... and I was like...' bit from the Ant Man movies. In which case Thor beating an army in the coolest teenage way possible kinda makes sense.
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Post by loto on Nov 27, 2023 14:03:37 GMT
A Haunting in Venice 4/10 (Disney+) - clunky, dark, jumpy and just shit
The Killer 9/10 (Netflix) - I thought this was excellent. Loved the pacing, methodology and acting. He shouldn’t have missed his shot though.
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