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Post by simple on Jan 20, 2023 11:39:26 GMT
Yeah, its just fine. I don’t think James still doing therapy lyrics is a good fit for the sound as while both new songs have riffs that remind me of other stuff that is good neither of these has a proper hook of its own that grabs me.
I think this is broadly true of Death Magnetic and Hardwired too but it feels like there’s a sense post-St Anger of them trying to make the sort of music they think people think they should make rather than necessarily what comes naturally. So you get glimpses of stuff that is good but in trying to make it harder or more contemporary they lose their way a little.
Plus they’re all about 60 or something and what legacy act actually makes any songs people do more than tolerate anyway?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 20, 2023 11:56:22 GMT
I liked about half of Hardwired. It should not have been a double album, basically, but I think the good tracks on that album had some pretty good hooks.
Death Magnetic was less successful, though the god awful mastering makes it very hard to listen to.
I kinda wish they'd mined the hard rock of Load and Reload (both are too long, but there's a good album between the two), that sounded like a band maturing gracefully. And I still maintain that Bleeding Me is absolutely one of their very best songs.
Just musing that it's weird how bands become legacy acts. You can only really become a legacy act if you become properly massive early on. The key is to have early classics then crucially stop making good stuff.
Like, I don't really consider Sodom a legacy act, despite being around for roughly the same time as Metallica. Or Sigh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 12:47:08 GMT
Would you consider Darkthrone a legacy act?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 20, 2023 13:09:04 GMT
Darkthrone are a weird outlier in many ways.
In some ways they're a legacy act, been around for ages and they had 3 classic albums that helped define a genre, then they pottered around doing all sorts of stuff that broke with that genre.
I guess a legacy act needs to be a band who rely on their old output; bands who play live sets predominantly filled by the classic songs. Or who constantly re-release old stuff and merch to celebrate classic album's anniversaries.
Whilst Darkthrone have re-released a few things, on the whole they don't really rely on their black metal "trilogy", and they don't play live...
So no, even though in terms of years they would be, I don't think I consider them a legacy act. Especially as I genuinely like their last couple of albums
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 20, 2023 13:11:03 GMT
That was a very long answer, apols.
I guess the key really is if a band have to totally rely on their classic stuff, or if they're still doing noteworthy stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 13:18:51 GMT
I'm inclined to agree, I think they've nailed the art of evolving their sound so that I'm always interested to hear what they do next, rather than wishing it sounded more like Transilvanian Hunger.
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Post by simple on Jan 20, 2023 13:28:41 GMT
I’d say Darkthrone are as close to a legacy act as black metal gets - since Emperor aren’t a full time proposition and others have kept plugging away.
I agree that Load feels like a really natural comfortable direction for Metallica. I’d be very interested in hearing them swing like that again, its a better fit for old man Hetfield’s voice too. Its strange to look back and think that Load-era is a band in its early-mid 30s when they’d already conquered the world and were entering elder statesman status.
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Post by wunty on Jan 20, 2023 14:34:52 GMT
Load and Reload are the only Metallica I actually like. I would have been really happy if they had continued along that route.
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Post by arnvidr on Jan 20, 2023 21:01:42 GMT
I actually think for most of Hardwired, James' vocals were at his best since the Load era. That album felt like a fairly even mix between the three distinct "sounds" of Metallica; the 80's thrash, the black album rock, and the Load-era bluesy experimentation. Felt like a much bigger success in that regard than the "trying too hard" of Death Magnetic.
Hard agree on the new songs, feeling like proper throwbacks to their initial Diamond Head influence, and yet not really sticking in my mind.
The previous one sounded more like a Kill 'Em All track than this one though. The length of it, and the advertised album length, makes me think it'll stick out in the same way as the Hardwired title track, being much shorter than any other song, so this new one being chosen as a "lead single" could be taken as a bad sign as to what the rest of the album sounds like. But people are often shit at choosing singles that match what I think are the better songs on albums, so I'll not pass any judgements until I hear the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 21:13:22 GMT
I'm constantly surprised that anyone still gives a shit about Metallica.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jan 21, 2023 13:01:05 GMT
Pretty much. I must have listened through Death Magnetic once or twice and never got beyond being kind of bored by it. Never listened to anything of theirs after that. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 21, 2023 13:10:59 GMT
Tbh I'm far from hyped up for any of Metallica's new stuff but they were very instrumental in my musical appreciation development, and still very much like stuff from their first 6 albums. And even some stuff after that, though it becomes patchier.
I guess I'm always curious to see what the artists who had a big impact on me are doing. There's a few artists who occupy a similar space to Metallica form me, and occasionally, infrequently, bands who occupy that space will do something that I like. And I did genuinely like a few tracks off Hardwired.
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Post by simple on Jan 21, 2023 14:33:35 GMT
I kind of think being into metal and not having an opinion about Metallica is like if you’re into sci-fi and not having an opinion on Star Wars.
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Post by Rich on Jan 21, 2023 17:00:34 GMT
I dunno. I love metal, but Metallica were just never a big thing for me. I like MoP and RoL but their not a band I've ever got excited about.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 21, 2023 21:38:27 GMT
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jan 22, 2023 18:30:43 GMT
Listened through Ahab's - The Coral Tombs a second time and went from feeling lukewarm about practically all of it to now mostly quite liking it. Go figure.
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Post by bichii2 on Jan 23, 2023 21:10:27 GMT
Just got around to listening to that new Metallica single. Again just so meh. If the whole album is like this it's pretty night and day for me between the latest Megadeth and Metallica music. I'm still loving Megadeths output but I've been meh on most of Metallicas last few albums. I'm only making the comparison because I've loved both for years but these days I barely listen to anything Metallica now.
Edit. But Metallica were much better live.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 27, 2023 9:26:48 GMT
New Enforced single. As thrash as ever and I wouldnt want it any other way
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Post by stixxuk on Jan 27, 2023 10:53:33 GMT
New Enforced single. As thrash as ever and I wouldnt want it any other way Fucking love these guys! |
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Post by Lizard on Jan 28, 2023 7:19:12 GMT
About to head into Mayhem. Saw them at Bloodstock a few years ago and they were rough. Hopefully better tonight, apparently they are a bit hot and miss.
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Post by Lizard on Jan 28, 2023 19:37:14 GMT
Can report they were really good. NZ is stacked for gigs first half of 2023
Mayhem
Jungle Rot
Cruelty
Vader
Emperor
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Post by damagedinc on Jan 28, 2023 20:21:19 GMT
New Enforced single. As thrash as ever and I wouldnt want it any other way So good! |
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 28, 2023 21:20:22 GMT
The kings of breakdowns, Unearth, are back with more of that 2000's metalcore and one of the best songs of the year so far.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 31, 2023 12:04:19 GMT
This song is like 5 metal genres in one, but it's an interesting journey.
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Post by Rich on Feb 2, 2023 19:57:23 GMT
Completely forgot Blut Aus Nord in my best of 2022. A work of unimaginable incomprehensible genius.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Feb 3, 2023 17:54:39 GMT
Need to get back to that one as well. I think I only listened to it once a while back and I definitely haven't grasped it yet.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 5, 2023 10:54:44 GMT
Been listening to the new Memoriam album.
If you've heard their earlier stuff it sounds much like you'd expect. It's very meat-and-potatoes old school death metal. Which honestly suits me very much. They're not going to revolutionise the genre but sometimes I just want something straight ahead.
They are continuing to slowly develop their sound, and I don't think they're in shadow of Bolt Thrower anymore, at least for me - the first few albums I definitely approached with the mindset of "this is the closest we'll have to a continuation of Bolt Thrower", but now I do pretty much think of them as their own band.
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Post by Rich on Feb 5, 2023 19:25:04 GMT
Listened to it today whilst decorating and I can't remember a single track. Will give it some more spins.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 5, 2023 21:23:58 GMT
Also quite liking Sonja - Loud Arriver. Think it has a goth tinged heavy-metal sound.
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Post by Duffking on Feb 6, 2023 12:41:04 GMT
Yeah, good album. I like it a bit more than Idle Hands/Unto Others, which is a fairly similar bit.
Soulmass have gone Bloodborne for their new record. Still good, but a bit more melodic influence.
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