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Post by Tomo on Oct 27, 2021 15:20:35 GMT
I eat lots of veggies, fruit, pulses, tofu, grains etc. try and eat much less meat, only buy high-quality, organic etc. However, I eat plenty of fish though so I'm nowhere near veggie. Fuck going vegan, no chocolate, no yoghurt, no cheese, no fucking joy. Nah, vegan yoghurt is good now. And there are some good vegan chocolates too - the Raw brand is great (albeit expensive). Vegan cheese however... absolutely shit still, I'll give you that. Maybe in another 10 years... |
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 15:20:37 GMT
I've been vegetarian for, ooh, 33 years at this point and have lived through years of being laughed at by French waiters, supermarkets, when I was too lazy to make myself proper meals, only having nut cutlets and a restaurant having one veggie option, maybe, if you were lucky to the explosion of stuff we have now. It's great.
There are Michelin-starred vegan restaurants now, I went to Tian in Vienna and it was absolutely glorious. And Cookies Cream in Berlin, although that was a little try-hard. And, pre-Covid, I didn't even get laughed at in Paris anymore.
THE BEST OF TIMES. It's so easy to be vegan or veggie now compared to what it used to be like. That said, I don't want to go full vegan yet as I still love cheese too much, and I am somewhat floppy and will eat non-vegetarian cheese. I could give up eggs and milk though, the oat and whatnot alternatives now are excellent. I do buy 'freerange' organic milk to try and reduce my cruelty profile as even though I know the reality of what that is, it's still better than cows chained up in sheds.
I've noticed a lot of vegans now think vegetarians are almost as bad as meateaters. The worm has turned.
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 15:22:46 GMT
I figured if your food safety standards aren't sufficient to ensure horse isn't getting in, then they're not sufficient to ensure BSE risk spinal tissue isn't getting in, or for that matter labrador. This is a salient point. I used to work with an ex-HSE inspector who was vegetarian for no other reason than she's seen what the inside of factory-farming was like and didn't want to take the health risk. She didn't give a shit about animal cruelty. |
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Post by Tomo on Oct 27, 2021 15:25:52 GMT
Pretty good vibes in this thread. I remember recently looking at an old veggie thread at The Other Place from like 15 years ago. Yeeeesh, it was not a pretty sight.
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 15:28:02 GMT
That's Ecosse for you, shitposting with his MEAT.
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Post by スコットランド on Oct 27, 2021 15:28:44 GMT
The other problem with being Veggie is the 'Veggie Tax' Its basically a middle class hobby. When I did the veggie bbq it cost a fortune, for example Two Beyond burgers cost £5.00, we needed 6. Then vegan sausages, vegan Koftas, Bell Peppers, padron peppers, Halloumi, Tomatoes, Onions, mixed salad, Feta, CousCous Flatbreads, burger brioche buns etc. etc... It wasn't cheap Lower working class families can't afford that. As said earlier, it's not really a "Veggie tax" so much as a meat subsidy. We don't pay anywhere near enough for our meat products, and it's frankly madness that more ethical alternatives don't benefit from the same subsidies. Yep. Chicken Breast in Tesco - £5.62/kg Chicken Breast in Migros (my local supermarket) - £26/kg (organic is £56/kg) |
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Post by スコットランド on Oct 27, 2021 15:31:47 GMT
I eat lots of veggies, fruit, pulses, tofu, grains etc. try and eat much less meat, only buy high-quality, organic etc. However, I eat plenty of fish though so I'm nowhere near veggie. Fuck going vegan, no chocolate, no yoghurt, no cheese, no fucking joy. Nah, vegan yoghurt is good now. And there are some good vegan chocolates too - the Raw brand is great (albeit expensive). Vegan cheese however... absolutely shit still, I'll give you that. Maybe in another 10 years... I'll try vegan yoghurt again. I tried the chocolate and it was a poor substitute  |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 27, 2021 15:33:35 GMT
Yeah, I don't know why you'd do that. I don't get why they try and make vegetarian/vegan stuff to *look* meat shaped. I mean, why? Make different shapes, then you won't have that subconscious thing going on where you're constantly comparing it to real meat. Then again, humans are pretty fucking thick, so I think I've just answered my own question. It's just familiarity I think. Same as going for substitutions. Probably not necessary in most cases really. It’s a conversion tool as much as anything. I suspect the first thing most people try is a meat free sausage or burger. Like the vegan hotdog place I went to yesterday. If you think about it, the onions, ketchup, mustard, pickles and whatnot are all vegan anyway. You chuck them on a decent vegan sausage and *bam* all of a sudden it’s not so scary. You aren’t just selling these products to veggies, you’re selling them to people like me and, let’s face it, the majority of the flavour is in the seasoning anyway so why reinvent the wheel? |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 27, 2021 15:35:52 GMT
Yes true - marketing propaganda and greed will clearly take advantage of the situation for sure.
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 15:39:03 GMT
There are a lot of veggies and vegans who turn their nose up at meat replacement products, but absolutely I don't see the problem if it means people eat less meat, or who only want to give up for ecological reasons and still crave da meatiness.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 27, 2021 15:41:39 GMT
I mean, the vegan bacon the girl has is a fairly decent approximation of bacon and, let’s face it, bacon is delicious so why wouldn’t you want bacon flavour without the pig?
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 27, 2021 15:43:06 GMT
If you think about it, the onions, ketchup, mustard, pickles and whatnot are all vegan anyway. You chuck them on a decent vegan sausage and *bam* all of a sudden you can't taste the vegan sausage anyway. |
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Post by puddleduck on Oct 27, 2021 15:50:10 GMT
The shape thing is interesting Quaddy. Cos little round disc shaped cows or sausage shaped pigs aren't running around. They're just shapes that are easy to create after the animals have been butchered. Same with the putting together and packaging of non-meat equivalents.
My wife went veggie, then Vegan and I followed not far behind. I do still order a pizza with real cheese on but don't actually buy anything dairy based for the house. I'm aware the dairy industry is more horrific than most of the meat industry but still end up getting my usual go to pizza from the local Italian cafe.
There really is a ton of pre-processed things from supermarkets now ranging from Tescos own versions through to the premium options like the Beyond Burgers (which are soooo good). We mostly cook our own food though and making vegan curries, cottage pies etc is easy.
Also living in Bristol there's a big amount of Vegan takeaway options for when feeling lazy (not sure who earlier said there wasn't!).
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Post by quadfather on Oct 27, 2021 15:52:30 GMT
Yeah, I think the whole thing is really simplified if you cook all your food too.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 27, 2021 15:53:46 GMT
If you think about it, the onions, ketchup, mustard, pickles and whatnot are all vegan anyway. You chuck them on a decent vegan sausage and *bam* all of a sudden you can't taste the vegan sausage anyway. Well, yeah, absolutely. Same as when people try to convince you that Brussels sprouts are actually very nice if you fry them up with bacon, shallots, garlic, salt and pepper. |
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Post by quadfather on Oct 27, 2021 15:54:44 GMT
But they are though!
Also, I've not eaten fuck all except mashed banana and the like for over a week now after having this sodding tooth out. WHICH STILL FUCKING HURTS.
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Post by hedben on Oct 27, 2021 15:54:58 GMT
It's true that more expensive chicken tastes much better - but I feel like I'm stuck buying cheap supermarket chicken anyway. I can't justify the extra cost on the grounds of taste, because in my house it's mainly eaten in curries, fried rice or pasta anyway, no-one's going to notice the extra £20 per kg. I could maybe justify it on ethical grounds alone, but it would make a hell of a dent in our shopping budget, given the amount we get through.
And we can't cut it out entirely because veggie substitutes for chicken are nowhere near veggie burgers or sausages. Mrs hedben and my eldest daughter both gave it a hard no when they tried quorn alternatives and (shudder) tofu. Stuff that's more processed is passable, but what you really need is something you can prepare like you'd prepare chicken - mixing it with paste, frying it and adding coconut milk for your curry or whatever. And that seems to be a way off yet.
Gimme some lab grown chicken that's affordable and prepares in the same way, and I'll be first in line.
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 27, 2021 15:57:47 GMT
And the first person who replies with jack fruit is getting shot.
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Post by imamazed on Oct 27, 2021 15:58:22 GMT
Jack Fruit
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Post by quadfather on Oct 27, 2021 15:58:56 GMT
Thread is starting to deliver
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Post by imamazed on Oct 27, 2021 15:59:06 GMT
That's the name of a vegan I know, not a foodstuff.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 27, 2021 16:00:29 GMT
We don't pay anywhere near enough for our meat products I was having this very discussion the other day with Mrs Hermit, and I'd argue that we do pay enough, we're just buying the wrong sort and from the wrong places. There is a butcher we go to that we usually end up spending around £100 in (we don't go very often) on assorted meat and offal and on the surface his prices are ridiculously expensive. He wants nearly £8 for a chicken for example while we're used to getting chickens 3 for £10 from Asda, most of his other stuff is around double supermarket prices as well. It happened to be the chicken that we were talking about at the time which is why it's the price I can remember. Anyway, the point is it tastes like a chicken that costs £8 as opposed to the chicken flavoured cardboard you get from the supermarket, and the diced steak is just on another level (Harrods vs Happy Shopper kind of level), it's just ridiculous. TLDR: If you pay supermarket prices you're probably paying the right amount for the shit you're buying, pay the proper prices at a proper butchers and it will cost a lot more, but still be the right price. Still TLDR: Don't buy meat from supermarket. Butchers shops are fucking harrowing though. I couldn't be around all that meat all day, let alone hacking it all up. Raw meat smells awful too as it does when you start cooking it. I say this as someone who isn't hard line against people eating meat or anything |
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Post by minimatt on Oct 27, 2021 16:06:26 GMT
Butchers shops are fucking harrowing though. I couldn't be around all that meat all day, let alone hacking it all up. Raw meat smells awful too as it does when you start cooking it. I say this as someone who isn't hard line against people eating meat or anything Covered market in Oxford had (has? been ten years since been) a butchers with dozens of skinned rabbits etc dangling outside and every single lunch break I'd walk past and there'd be a toddler in absolute floods of tears "...but... but Floppsy??" |
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 16:07:52 GMT
And we can't cut it out entirely because veggie substitutes for chicken are nowhere near veggie burgers or sausages. Chicken was the first thing to be imitated really, that's what Quorn was first formulated to resemble, although you've said you already don't like it. I think the fresh Quorn fillets are passable, but bear in mind it's been three decades since I've eaten real cluck cluck. I find Quorn to be really boring and dry/synthetic-y these days, there are better alternatives. These are pretty good: www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/all-vegan-products/the-vegetarian-butcher-whatthecluck-160g |
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Post by malek86 on Oct 27, 2021 16:09:53 GMT
I try not to eat a lot of meat, but I don't think I'm ever going to cut off my own choices on purpose, at least until the doctor says I have to. And that might take a while.
On the subject of meat substitutes though, I find Impossible Burgers (the only "meat-like" brand you can find here) absolutely disgusting. I think it's the soy, or whatever it is they are using. Regular veggie burgers, the ones made from peas and carrots and anything else they can stuff in there, are quite good. I actually buy them on occasion, though the prices make me wanna cry. Soy-based ones are just terrible.
Then again, I genuinely like surimi so I'm probably just weird.
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 16:11:57 GMT
Just as an aside, I find all the vegan fish replacement products absolutely fucking dire (my missus who is trying quite hard to go vegan still eats fish and spat out the fakey Loma tuna I bought her the other day) BUT the Moving Mountains fish fingers are very yummy.
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Post by quadfather on Oct 27, 2021 16:14:21 GMT
Are they shaped like real fish?
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Post by MysteryLamb on Oct 27, 2021 16:16:55 GMT
Linda McCartney Mozzerella burgers are fantastic.
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 16:19:31 GMT
I find Impossible Burgers (the only "meat-like" brand you can find here) absolutely disgusting. I think it's the soy, or whatever it is they are using. You should try Beyond 'meat' if you can rather than Impossible then: Beyond are made from mostly pea protein and juicified up with coconut oil. They make a point of not using soy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 16:21:20 GMT
I try to avoid bacon, pork and ham as its fattening, tried Vivera Veggie Bacon Pieces this week and don't recommended them. You can taste the smoky taste but don't taste like bacon and texture is crap. I still like meat and try to get it from butchers as I know its not from some shitty farm that supermarkets like tescos use. Hopefully lab grown meat will be more affordable as would switch
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