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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 14, 2021 0:30:07 GMT
I remember a Red Dwarf theme night BBC2 yonks ago where Stewart said he wished they could’ve done more humour like RD did He did the introductory video for Red Dwarf night in 1998, and also appeared in "The A to Z of Red Dwarf" that night along with Terry Pratchett and Stephen Hawking among others, which you can see in full on the DVD bonus content.
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Post by darkling on Oct 14, 2021 8:27:12 GMT
I think Quantum Leap is why I always struggled with Enterprise. He will always be Sam Beckett to me. I see Enterprise as a single feature-length Quantum Leap episode.
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Oct 14, 2021 10:46:26 GMT
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Post by simple on Oct 14, 2021 10:46:26 GMT
Just finished the TOS movies and I used to say they were my favourite incarnation of Trek. I’m not sure if thats still true but I don’t think there’s more warm or comfortable take on the series.
The red uniforms are top tier for me. Second maybe the grey war ones from DS9. Last place maybe the space pyjamas from TMP although they do suit the 70s tone very well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 11:40:39 GMT
I absolutely love the TOS movies. All of them. I must have seen each one at least a dozen times. 2 and 6 probably even more than that.
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Post by simple on Oct 14, 2021 12:04:48 GMT
They’re definitely the most fun Star Trek ever gets and they are incredibly watchable. Maybe they are still my favourites. Its a different vibe though isn’t it, these being rollicking adventures whereas TNG onwards the tv series are about living in the ST universe.
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Post by britesparc on Oct 14, 2021 12:38:42 GMT
Dean Stockwell showing up probably doesn’t help there either Bit like when Laurence Fishburn turns up in John Wick 2, it just makes you grin coz there's Neo and Morpheus again. Except that John Wick 2 is a masterpiece and Enterprise, er, isn't.
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Post by simple on Oct 14, 2021 12:49:51 GMT
Beckett and Al share a very knowing look when they first meet too
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Post by nazo on Oct 14, 2021 13:03:37 GMT
They should have ended Enterprise with Archer buzzing with electricity and then disappearing. It would have been better than what we actually got.
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Oct 14, 2021 15:37:37 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Oct 14, 2021 15:37:37 GMT
They should have ended Enterprise with Archer buzzing with electricity and then disappearing. It would have been better than what we actually got. I mean that would actually be incredible! He kind of plays Archer like Sam too. Did they ever sneak in a "oh boy?!", seems like the least they could have done
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 15:50:56 GMT
Bakula was terrible in Enterprise, really shit acting. I have not seen QL in ages but don't remember him being bad in that
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Post by anephric on Oct 14, 2021 17:32:35 GMT
He doesn't have much range, he's just a likeable sort of guy. He tries to be moody and noir in Lord of Illusions but doesn't really carry it off.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 14, 2021 18:43:25 GMT
Lower Decks season 2 finale was a damn fine episode. Never seen that particular kind of action sequence on Trek before. Bit of a revelation dropped about Rutherford, some character growth shown by Mariner, a Koala callback, an incredibly deep cut joke about rubber ducks, and that cliffhanger ending.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 20:32:41 GMT
Bakula was good when he was chewing the scenery in the mirror universe 2 parters as it OTT, not sure if he was trying to channel shatner
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Post by britesparc on Oct 15, 2021 10:06:54 GMT
I have a really great idea for a Quantum Leap movie. I sometimes wish I was a kind of low-level, moderately successful Hollywood screenwriter, just so I was in a position to pitch ideas to movie studios. I'd be one of those guys everyone hates because they're writing remakes of Jaws or some shit.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 15, 2021 16:37:14 GMT
Ending TNG season 2 with a thrilling episode recapping Riker’s sexual conquests was an interesting choice.
This show is baffling at times.
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Post by simple on Oct 15, 2021 16:55:59 GMT
Apart from First Contact I’m pretty sure the nonsense continues across all the TNG movies too. Data does something in Generations which I’m sure I saw people complaining was too silly and over the top when the Orville repeated the same joke.
And if I’m remembering right Worf getting a spot as a subplot is in Insurrection
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 15, 2021 19:58:00 GMT
Lower Decks season 2 finale was a damn fine episode. Never seen that particular kind of action sequence on Trek before. Bit of a revelation dropped about Rutherford, some character growth shown by Mariner, a Koala callback, an incredibly deep cut joke about rubber ducks, and that cliffhanger ending. Superb end to a great second season, makes me wish the seasons were longer while the 30 minute individual episode length is perfect. Going to be difficult waiting for the third season.
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Post by anephric on Oct 15, 2021 20:48:57 GMT
I have a really great idea for a Quantum Leap movie. I sometimes wish I was a kind of low-level, moderately successful Hollywood screenwriter, just so I was in a position to pitch ideas to movie studios. I'd be one of those guys everyone hates because they're writing remakes of Jaws or some shit. These sort of pitches don't really happen any more in Hollywood. I suppose they might at Netflix, who seem to be willing to make any old shit that someone sends in on the back of a postcard. Spec scripts and the like simply don't get made any more by the studios, they're too risk averse.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 16, 2021 18:55:42 GMT
"Meridian" DS9... An episode about Quark making a holoprogram of Kira for a pretty menacing sex pest and Jadzia becoming a 12 year old to fall in love with (another creepy) man in 10 minutes, deciding to give up her entire career and life to go and doss about with him on a planet with a population of 30 people, with Sisko's blessing The way the man was acting at the start, I was expecting it to be a weird sex planet, so at least it wasn't that
The romance thing was so awkawrd, I thought it was a last minute thing put together for her to abruptly leave the show. Like they just didn't care about the character anymore, just a quick and dirty exit
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Oct 16, 2021 19:07:28 GMT
Lower Decks season 2 finale was a damn fine episode. Never seen that particular kind of action sequence on Trek before. Bit of a revelation dropped about Rutherford, some character growth shown by Mariner, a Koala callback, an incredibly deep cut joke about rubber ducks, and that cliffhanger ending. Superb end to a great second season, makes me wish the seasons were longer while the 30 minute individual episode length is perfect. Going to be difficult waiting for the third season. Yup I echo what you guys say. I've also said it before and I'll say it again, I love how the music is inspired by the original films too. Definitely the best star trek this century.
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Post by simple on Oct 16, 2021 23:51:08 GMT
Rewatch of the movie franchise complete.
Main thoughts are that the TOS movies are both more ambitious and more willing to have fun with the franchise than TNG were. They’re also more successful in transferring Star Trek onto a cinematic scale.
The smaller core cast helps. Kirk and Spock were always the stars of the show with the rest supporting to varying degrees. TNG on tv was more equal but the move to film and to focussing on Picard as the star meant sidelining the others and losing some of the chemistry that made that crew so iconic.
Plus First Contact is such a perfect closing chapter to TNG with the Borg defeated and history restored that everything afterwards feels like a contractual obligation more than a worthy addition to the canon.
Ranking maybe something like this: Wrath of Khan First Contact The Motion Picture Search For Spock Voyage Home Undiscovered Country Generations Insurrection Final Frontier Nemesis
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 17, 2021 2:38:28 GMT
I think the more adventurous and emotional nature of TOS translates better to the big screen than the more serious, cerebral TNG. The TNG films struggled with being cinematic without compromising too much on what the TV series was about. First Contact was criticised for straying from the tone of the TV show, like how the people who invented the warp drive were some drunk hillbillies, Picard raging, Borg queen and whatnot--but I think its willingness to take liberties is what allowed it to be the best cinematic experience.
Insurrection is the perfect counter-example, that mostly feels like a late TNG episode and it just doesn't really work as a film. Nemesis went daft again but that's not its main issue, its main issue is that it's just bad.
And humour... yeah. When TOS films do humour, it is just natural and charming and funny, especially in The Voyage Home. When the TNG films try to be funny, most of the time it misfires and it feels forced. Like when the Duras sisters see Beverly through Geordi's visor and they make stupid ugly grimaces and go "eugh, human females... so revolting!". I mean, come on, that's not only dumb, is that also seriously your farewell to these characters?
And then there's Worf's puberty... what the fuck was that about? It has nothing to do with anything else and just feels like the dumbest joke some writer could think of. It actually reminds me of TNG season 1, where in the middle of a threat assessment Data is captured in a Chinese finger trap. Completely pointless, not funny, just badly distracting from the actual plot.
In fact, Nemesis also reminded me of season 1. Picard clone growing up under totally different circumstances is an interesting idea, but what the film ends up doing with it is just shit. Interesting setup horribly executed is a hallmark of S1 and Nemesis strongly gives me those vibes.
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Oct 17, 2021 7:46:54 GMT
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Post by simple on Oct 17, 2021 7:46:54 GMT
I think I’d agree with all of that.
Insurrection was very much just an episode of tv. Swap the admiral out for a random alien and I’d say mid-run Voyager as much as TNG. Although Janeway and Torres would never have talked about how firm their boobs are getting. I don’t think its a bad story but it doesn’t elevate itself into anything cinematic.
In retrospect Nemesis makes much more sense as the set up for Picard than as the end of TNG.
I read that a potential TNG, DS9, Voyager crossover film was shelved because of the reception Nemesis got. I can’t see how they could have pulled that off on the run of form they were on.
Even the worst of the TOS films at least showed ambition even if Shatner is a terrible director compared to what Nimoy had delivered previously.
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Post by technoish on Oct 17, 2021 8:54:37 GMT
Oh man, a TNG DS9 VOY crossover event post voyager's return, maybe against species whatever their name, or maybe even a separate break away Dominion faction. A 4 hour war epic, with stop overs on the way to critical battles to investigate interstellar anomalies by Janeway, leading to crushing defeats.
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Oct 17, 2021 14:53:53 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Oct 17, 2021 14:53:53 GMT
They could do a cross over film now.
Trek must be doing well since new seasons and series keep popping up all over the place despite being crap (apart from lower decks).
So there is definitely an audience there, go on paramount / CBS, give us some fan service!
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Oct 17, 2021 14:55:23 GMT
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Post by simple on Oct 17, 2021 14:55:23 GMT
They probably think Seven as a lesbian Han Solo is all the fan service the nerds need
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 18, 2021 15:46:03 GMT
Pretty much out of nowhere, it seems time travel is just a thing in the Star Trek universe but that hasn't caused any major problems
And why did not-Ryker have it off with Kira at the end of the episode?? Star Trek is so weird when it comes to romance/relationships
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 18, 2021 21:29:03 GMT
Indeed it is. It often feels like a character being a victim of the writer's fantasies that you'd normally expect in fanfic.
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Post by crispyxuk on Oct 18, 2021 21:32:44 GMT
I absolutely love the TOS movies. All of them. I must have seen each one at least a dozen times. 2 and 6 probably even more than that. tos movies are the best trek outside of tng and ds9. Think I saw motion picture when I was 8 or so and it blew my young astronaut.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 22, 2021 0:35:42 GMT
My crew in Star Trek: Timelines is a hell of an eclectic mix, although it is rapidly filling up with Picards.
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