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Post by RadicalRex on Feb 20, 2024 17:29:36 GMT
Imo beneath the giant nostalgia frosting PIC S3 is the same garbage as before. Which is perhaps not surprising, given that Matalas was also one of season 2's showrunners and conceived its dumb time travel "plot".
Anyone who enjoyed it, good for you. But I hate it. Not the worst season of PIC, but if it's TNG S8 as some people say, easily the worst season of TNG.
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Post by nazo on Feb 20, 2024 23:02:41 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh, it's no TNG S8 but it's noticeably a step-up from the prior two seasons. Particularly S2 which is some of the worst TV I've ever seen. S3 was at least watchable and reasonably coherent. I see it more of a continuation of the mostly shit TNG films than of the series and through that lens it's not too bad.
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Post by RadicalRex on Feb 20, 2024 23:32:42 GMT
I honestly think S1 was better. Both PIC and TNG S1, that is.
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Post by geefe on Feb 21, 2024 9:25:29 GMT
Series 1 of Picard started ok but very quickly just collapsed and died.
3 was strengthened by the Seven/ Shaw dynamic. For me, that guy was what it needed with his "I just want to do a job please stop trying to kill me" attitude.
Weirdo Trek nerds see him as the bad guy but he was the one I rooted for. He was also the first proper glimpse at post-Dominion Starfleet, that had no prior links or drama.
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 21, 2024 9:58:07 GMT
Shaw was one of the best things in Picard so obviously he had to die, similar to Rios being probably the best character in the first two seasons so he got left behind in the 21st century.
If season 3 Picard was the only one that got made people would have been sorry to see it go rather than glad it had a good ending after two seasons of occasional quality but mostly dross.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 21, 2024 10:11:53 GMT
I'd rate the three seasons of Picard thusly:
1: pretty decent for the most part despite being too long-winded and a bit grim, although it utterly shits the bed once they get to the synth planet. Three stars. 2: terrific first episode that actually felt pretty cool and Star Trek-y, then after that it goes all Red Dwarf: Back to Earth and was pretty crap all round. Two stars. 3: fairly ropey plot tbh, sick to death of the Borg, but the way it brought the old gang back together and gave them a nice send-off was sweet. Would have been better if we hadn't already had, effectively, a goodbye to Data in s1 and a goodbye to the Borg in s2. Four stars.
None of them are as good as any season of TNG, and I'll be honest I don't know if they're as good as any of the movies. Well, maybe Nemesis, which was a good idea turned to mush. But it's Star Trek so I still like it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 21, 2024 10:30:23 GMT
Having watched some BTS footage and interviews with the cast, the biggest problem the show had was probably Patrick Stewart. He seems to have heavily influenced the 'no uniforms, no star fleet' direction and had producer power well above his abilities. You can't fault him for wanting to do something a bit different but a lot of the creative choices were very, very poor. The best idea anyone had by far was to bring Seven back.
You can tell by the third series someone finally delivered the 'this shit isn't working' message and not only gave people what they wanted but actually thought about what Star Trek is good at.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 21, 2024 10:37:26 GMT
I'd rate the three seasons of Picard thusly: 1: pretty decent for the most part despite being too long-winded and a bit grim, although it utterly shits the bed once they get to the synth planet. Three stars. 2: terrific first episode that actually felt pretty cool and Star Trek-y, then after that it goes all Red Dwarf: Back to Earth and was pretty crap all round. Two stars. 3: fairly ropey plot tbh, sick to death of the Borg, but the way it brought the old gang back together and gave them a nice send-off was sweet. Would have been better if we hadn't already had, effectively, a goodbye to Data in s1 and a goodbye to the Borg in s2. Four stars. None of them are as good as any season of TNG, and I'll be honest I don't know if they're as good as any of the movies. Well, maybe Nemesis, which was a good idea turned to mush. But it's Star Trek so I still like it. Basically my thoughts on Picard too. Other than season 2, I mostly enjoyed it all the way through. S1 did a Discovery by turning to utter shit in the final moments, but what led up to it had good moments. Even at its best it isn't as good as classic TNG and definitely feels more of apiece with the films, but I enjoyed it. They really shouldn't have listened to Stewart and just made it a reunion show from the beginning.
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Post by geefe on Feb 21, 2024 10:43:41 GMT
I think the best thing they could have done was leave it well the fuck alone.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 21, 2024 13:36:04 GMT
When he was promoting season 3, Stewart said something like they had to "earn" a reunion of the full cast.
I kinda feel the seven seasons of TNG had earned it, y'know?
But at the same time, a Picard-focused spin-off isn't necessarily a bad idea, I just don't think it was executed brilliantly, especially season 2.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 21, 2024 14:09:22 GMT
Concept trailer from the team that did some impressive DS9 trailers:
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 21, 2024 14:19:08 GMT
Concept trailer from the team that did some impressive DS9 trailers:
Oh my god I just Jizzed. Sadly the cunts in charge will never allow it.
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 21, 2024 21:39:21 GMT
Now that's a casting choice I'd certainly approve of.
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Post by technoish on Feb 21, 2024 23:04:13 GMT
Probably time for a TNG era triple series rewatch. See you in 9 months.
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Post by RadicalRex on Feb 24, 2024 1:01:59 GMT
"The greatest treasure in the known galaxy"...? Wait. No "end of the galaxy"? They're dangerously close to getting my hopes up.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 25, 2024 18:13:07 GMT
That video made me well up.
RIP sir.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 20, 2024 12:50:04 GMT
Just finished off first season of Strange New Worlds. It was pretty good. I liked the stand alone episodes and they had some good stories throughout. I wouldn't say there was much that really stood out as excellent, but it was all very watchable. The best episodes did play off classic Trek quite a bit, with the Gorn space battle episode feeling very Wrath of Khan and the final episode literally re-doing Balance of Terror (to the point of having one of the ensemble randomly being a stand-in for the racist navigator), so they did risk being not quite as good copies of a better Trek, but it mostly worked.
Even when not copying the old shows though, it did a really good job of being modern Trek, much more so then any of the other new series. Even the design of the ship feels like a more open and modern interpretation of the TOS ship, in a much better way then other attempts. The plots are a little more action orientated then the more cerebral Trek, about that works well with it going for the TOS style (albeit they go even less ideas based than that show).
I like most of the crew, although I wouldn't say any hugely stand out. There are some good stories for them, but it is hard to give much description as to who any of them are by the end of the season, beyond generic terms.
Despite some negatives though, it was a pretty good start. Certainly one of the better first seasons of Trek and I didn't think there were any real clunkers (the ship becomes a fantasy kingdom one was borderline, but it was doing something that is pretty established as a Trek stable story and was still enjoyable, as well as leading to a big moment for the doctor).
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Post by Blue_Mike on Mar 23, 2024 16:54:30 GMT
Season 2 of Prodigy has released in full on France on the streaming version of France.TV.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Apr 4, 2024 19:31:08 GMT
Oh fuck, I forgot season 5 of Discovery was starting today. That's my evening sorted.
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Post by nazo on Apr 4, 2024 20:24:55 GMT
Going out in case you accidentally put it on?
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Post by simple on Apr 4, 2024 20:44:16 GMT
Is it Paramount+ exclusive now? I might wait for it to finish and binge it on a short one month subscription.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Apr 4, 2024 23:04:40 GMT
Discovery - 5x01 - Red Directive
I really enjoyed that.
I'm glad they've learned from past complaints and actually explained what The Mystery Box was by the end of this episode instead of dragging it out.
Wasn't expecting what will apparently be the central plot of the season to be a direct sequel to TNG "The Chase", but taking that whole "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" theme and expanding on it is a good idea.
Callum Keith Rennie is good at playing arseholes.
Poor FRED. I liked that Burnham thought to have them check if he had family, that was a proper "This is Star Trek" moment that acknowledged synthetics as life forms on par with organics.
That action sequence with Discovery and the Antares slamming into the desert to stop the... Sandvalanche? was pretty cool.
Oded Fehr continues to be brilliant as Admiral Vance, and I like the way they seem to be giving him and Tilly a sort of father/daughter bond after they faced death together at the end of season 4, but fucking hell I wish they'd give him a uniform that makes him look less like he's the Lord High CEO Of McDonalds.
The actor who played Doctor Vellek seemed familiar to from somewhere, largely because of his voice, but nothing on his IMDB page stood out as anything I've ever seen, and now it's bugging me who I might be confusing him with.
If I had some criticisms, they would be:
The whole "Warp trail countermeasures" concept should have been completely invalidated by the fact that they had not one, but two starships there with a visual record of the ship going to warp. Just take all the signals and dispense with all but the big one you were just looking at?
Scenes shot against the AR wall continue to be extremely noticeable.
It's going to take me some time for Progenitors not to grate on my ears, as the old, now-defunct expanded universe books only spent about thirty years referring to them as the Preservers.
Kovich is still basically a wooden mannequin they've stuck some unnecessarily big glasses on. I really hope that at some point this season or in a future show, we see his mirror universe double and he's basically Brick-Top from Snatch. And what the hell is his actual job title and place within the Federation command heirarchy, anyway? It's been so nebulously defined so far, he could honestly at this point be wearing a badge with the words "Direction And Exposition At Large"
Discovery - 5x02 - Under The Twin Moons
Ok, this was proper Indiana Jones.
Glad they called Rayner out on his actions in 5x01, with actual career consequences instead of handwaving it away. Appreciated that he actually called himself out on it as well, makes him redeemable.
TNG callbacks continue with the reference to the Promellians from "Booby Trap".
The moment I saw the four eyed statue, I immediately thought "Fucking Batarians" before I realised that was a different franchise.
Eve Harlow talks like one side of her mouth has been numbed by a dentist, and it's particularly noticeable when all of her scenes so far also involved someone with so clearly recognisable a voice as Elias Toufexis. Bit of "Small Universe Syndrome" by making her character not only from Kwejian, but someone with a personal link to Book's own history.
Supporting cast basically not even present in this one. I'm not asking for Detmer, Owosekun and Rhys to be integral to every episode, but they could have had something.
Two mentions of the Breen in as many episodes. I hope that's foreshadowing, as I'd like to see a 32nd century take on them, especially since the whole Emerald Chain as antagonists kinda fell flat and wore itself out.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 27, 2024 18:05:41 GMT
The latest in the series of "My Dad watching DS9 for the first time" updates: 5x16 - Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
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Post by Vandelay on May 27, 2024 18:40:55 GMT
Watched Season 2 of Strange New Worlds now. I liked it again and thought the season as a whole was a step up on the already pretty good first season. The good bits didn't just feel like retreads of previously good Trek this time around, which helped a lot.
I was a bit disappointed in the musical episode though. Had high hopes and thought it started of well, but the songs were mostly meh and the focus on La'an's feelings for Kirk wasn't that interesting (and I really enjoyed the episode that it all stemmed from). Was a shame, as it seemed like it would be a lot of fun from the opening 15 minutes or so. The Lower Decks crossover episode was a much better shits and giggles episode and they probably should have held back the musical for another season.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 28, 2024 22:33:06 GMT
The only way the plot of Star Trek Online could go further off the fucking rails at this point is if Kruge came back from the dead, ripped his Klingon makeup off to reveal Christopher Lloyd and said "Rails? Where we're going, we don't need rails."
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Post by myk on May 29, 2024 7:55:47 GMT
I quite like the fact they're just doing what they want at this point, multiverses do make for some fun 'what if' scenarios. Always find it funny that tonally it's more consistent than the assorted tv series.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 29, 2024 8:08:56 GMT
I played through that new mission last night, and it's even more madly nonsensical than the trailer suggests. Not to mention being shorter than every update before it, and feeling like it was put together in a weekend by a skeleton crew.
The Borg Queen of that alternate universe was none other than fucking Tasha Yar, so they had Denise Crosby facing off against herself.
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