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Feb 15, 2024 21:33:08 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 15, 2024 21:33:08 GMT
Yep, always thought the destruction of Romulus and a whole bunch of displaced Romulans about the place had a lot of potential for some tales mirroring the current treatment of refugees that would be right up Star Trek's street. They sort of references it in Picard, but it's a missed opportunity that they kind of just skimmed over it before making a couple of Romulans baddies for a bit.
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Post by deebs on Feb 19, 2024 1:07:23 GMT
Amazing compilation of TNG bloops discovered thanks to the bluray release, most I've never seen before.
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Feb 19, 2024 8:26:06 GMT
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 8:26:06 GMT
Saw that. Not sure I can bring myself to watch it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 19, 2024 9:06:29 GMT
They sort of references it in Picard, but it's a missed opportunity that they kind of just skimmed over it before making a couple of Romulans baddies for a bit. Its the colour that goes missing now we are on 10 episode seasons. We used to get this kind of detail but now its all A-Plot, all the time. I've finally caught up on Discovery S4 and that it pretty much entirely main plot with very little Star Trekking other than one episode where Tilly farts about with some cadets and the grown ups sit in a treaty signing. There is some fairly interesting background detail they have set up in futureworld but its all just glossed over as they run head first at the main problem, so it just feels exactly the same as it did when it was set in the past but with better special effects. |
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Post by apollo on Feb 19, 2024 10:13:31 GMT
The bit in the RLM video where it shows Picard playing the flute then the hands change to someone else for the complex part is something you can't unsee
Also its interesting to see how bad the black card over the shiny surfaces and power cords just lying around
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 19, 2024 10:18:17 GMT
They sort of references it in Picard, but it's a missed opportunity that they kind of just skimmed over it before making a couple of Romulans baddies for a bit. Its the colour that goes missing now we are on 10 episode seasons. We used to get this kind of detail but now its all A-Plot, all the time. I've finally caught up on Discovery S4 and that it pretty much entirely main plot with very little Star Trekking other than one episode where Tilly farts about with some cadets and the grown ups sit in a treaty signing. There is some fairly interesting background detail they have set up in futureworld but its all just glossed over as they run head first at the main problem, so it just feels exactly the same as it did when it was set in the past but with better special effects. It does seem to be we are going through a period where TV writers want to be film writers. Which can be fine, but you have to do something unique to warrant doing that for 10+ episodes. Many seem unable to write 40-60 minutes plots that actually have a beginning, middle and end, or at least differing tones and focuses from episode to episode. That doesn't mean everything needs to be very episodic, with everything nicely resolved at the end of an episode and all forgotten about when the next episode starts; you can still have ongoing threads and one central story that the show focuses on, but I want to feel like I've actually reached some kind of destination by the time the credits roll on an episode. A lot of modern shows just seem to be broken up by whatever the next revelation happens to be and the episode up to that point has just sort of been dragging its feet until it got there. Certainly not just a Star Trek problem. I watched Silo recently and thought it was good, but it could have been great if it shaved off 3 or 4 episodes. |
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Post by nazo on Feb 19, 2024 10:19:34 GMT
Yeah, the flute thing is freaky.
The rest of it is interesting in a "I can't believe I never noticed that" kind of way but I suppose watching on a fuzzy 14" CRT from several feet away does hide a lot of sins.
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Feb 19, 2024 14:16:18 GMT
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 19, 2024 14:16:18 GMT
Yeah, the flute thing is freaky. The rest of it is interesting in a "I can't believe I never noticed that" kind of way but I suppose watching on a fuzzy 14" CRT from several feet away does hide a lot of sins. They didn't do it even half as well as they did with Lister's arms being replaced with those of Phil Manzanera from Roxy Music in the Psirens episode of Red Dwarf. I am worried that cock-up video has now ruined my enjoyment of TNG permanently, between the fact that I'm now going to be looking for black paper all the time and also will have the voice of Desmond from Smiling Friends in my head every time I see it. |
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Feb 19, 2024 14:28:23 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 19, 2024 14:28:23 GMT
The black paper is very, very noticeable on the HD versions. I would say it is used in probably half the bridge scenes during the first couple of seasons, often in multiple places along the rear consoles.
Fortunately, they don't use it anywhere near as much after those first couple of seasons.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 19, 2024 15:46:50 GMT
Amazing compilation of TNG bloops discovered thanks to the bluray release, most I've never seen before. Absolutely amazing video. Mike is really living his best life. Love how shamelessly pointless and trivial it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 22:54:14 GMT
STNG in HD currently £4.99 a season on Amazon.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2024 5:59:37 GMT
I'm somewhat tempted to grab one season at that price, to recreate BBC2 6pm eating over dinner vibes.
If only grabbing one season, is there a particular one that should be grabbed? I remember Season 1 being a little wobbly at times, so maybe Season 2?
I probably saw most of them back in the day, but I wasn't watching religiously. It's mostly episodic, right, so it should be fine to jump in anytime.
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Feb 20, 2024 7:43:41 GMT
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 20, 2024 7:43:41 GMT
The first few seasons of TNG are so shit I haven't been able to get through a rewatch...ever.
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Post by geefe on Feb 20, 2024 7:46:44 GMT
3-5 are the most consistent.
1 is...not good. 2 is kind of an improvement with some great episodes (Q Who, Measure of a Man, Time Squared) but a LOT of crap.
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Feb 20, 2024 8:17:56 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 20, 2024 8:17:56 GMT
As already said, 1 is pretty bad. It has it's moments, but very skipable. 2 is a definite improvement and had individual episodes well worth watching. I think it is unfair to lump it too much in with the first season, but it does have some rubbish in there. Plus, if you are after that nostalgia factor, it misses Dr. Crusher.
3 is where things really come together and it becomes a consistently very good show. Only issue with just buying that season though is that you will only get half of Best of Both Worlds. I'm currently watching season 4 and it is fantastic. Watching it all on Blu-ray and I'm very happy to actually own it. I know some would say why bother when it is easily available for streaming, but TNG is one I'm happy to have sitting on my shelf.
Having said that, I don't know about Japan, but worth noting that if you have means to access UK Netflix, it is all on there (or Paramount+, of course).
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2024 8:22:03 GMT
I tend to only subscribe to Netflix for occasional months, so a 25ep season for a single low payment is appealing as I could watch at my own pace.
Don't have Paramount+, which seems to be where a lot of this stuff is.
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Feb 20, 2024 8:27:17 GMT
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Post by geefe on Feb 20, 2024 8:27:17 GMT
Also, if it helps (and it should), Guinan isn't around for series 1 or 7. Her being absent from All Good Things is kind of awkward.
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Feb 20, 2024 8:40:27 GMT
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 20, 2024 8:40:27 GMT
Any chance of apple doing a price match on amazon's season price of £5?
Apple streaming is normally the best quality
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Feb 20, 2024 8:52:57 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2024 8:52:57 GMT
I don’t know if it’s always that cheap but they do come up. I got the whole remastered TOS for like a tenner quite recently.
Ive bought Babylon 5: The Whole Shebang - Remastered yesterday. It’s currently on sale for 25 quid on Apple, so a fiver a season.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 20, 2024 9:21:05 GMT
Its the colour that goes missing now we are on 10 episode seasons. We used to get this kind of detail but now its all A-Plot, all the time. I've finally caught up on Discovery S4 and that it pretty much entirely main plot with very little Star Trekking other than one episode where Tilly farts about with some cadets and the grown ups sit in a treaty signing. There is some fairly interesting background detail they have set up in futureworld but its all just glossed over as they run head first at the main problem, so it just feels exactly the same as it did when it was set in the past but with better special effects. It does seem to be we are going through a period where TV writers want to be film writers. Which can be fine, but you have to do something unique to warrant doing that for 10+ episodes. Many seem unable to write 40-60 minutes plots that actually have a beginning, middle and end, or at least differing tones and focuses from episode to episode. That doesn't mean everything needs to be very episodic, with everything nicely resolved at the end of an episode and all forgotten about when the next episode starts; you can still have ongoing threads and one central story that the show focuses on, but I want to feel like I've actually reached some kind of destination by the time the credits roll on an episode. A lot of modern shows just seem to be broken up by whatever the next revelation happens to be and the episode up to that point has just sort of been dragging its feet until it got there. Certainly not just a Star Trek problem. I watched Silo recently and thought it was good, but it could have been great if it shaved off 3 or 4 episodes. Doctor Who has, for nearly twenty years, been a sci-fi TV show with roughly ten-or-twelve-episode seasons, comprised of stand-alone episodes of around 40-50 minutes, that had a slow-burn arc building in the background which paid off in the "season finale". It's definitely doable (Mando season 2 pretty much followed this model too), but like you say most TV writers seem focused on making ten-episode movies nowadays, sadly. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2024 9:25:26 GMT
Its just very unsatisfying, especially if you're watching weekly. You watch ten episodes and get nine cliffhangers.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 20, 2024 9:34:25 GMT
I'd like to bring to the audience's attention that Strange New worlds has done relatively stand alone and an arc at the same time for 2 seasons now  The arc includes the characters |
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 20, 2024 9:40:40 GMT
As soon as I finish with season 4 of TNG, I'm going to finally watch Strange New Worlds. Very much looking forward to it.
Will also get around to season 4 of Discovery, which I'm less looking forward to, but will give it a go.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2024 9:53:57 GMT
Im on to SNW next. P+ really is worthless without Star Trek.
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Post by Garfy on Feb 20, 2024 9:58:28 GMT
Will also get around to season 4 of Discovery, which I'm less looking forward to, but will give it a go. Disco S3 was so bad I've not bothered with it |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 20, 2024 10:00:00 GMT
You guys are in for a treat when you watch SNW. I actually subscribed and paid money for Paramount + in it's SNW season 2 run. It was worth it. Obviously, I've cancelled now  Conversely I did not pay to watch Discovery season 4. I purposely did not watch a single second of Discovery while I had a paid sub. Just a little up yours to paramount for what they did to international viewers back then, also Discovery isn't worth paying for |
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Feb 20, 2024 10:43:22 GMT
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Post by geefe on Feb 20, 2024 10:43:22 GMT
Picard 3
SNW 1
SNW2
A bit of Discovery 2 for Pike
That's it for me. Discovery had good elements and then would run rampant over them with absolute shite. Picard 1 and 2 had very little in the way of redeeming features.
I will caveat that Picard 3 was still inconsistent but at its highs, it was higher than SNW.
Pike is absolutely a proper captain and leader. Plus the Gorn stuff is great.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 20, 2024 11:02:52 GMT
As good as Season 3 of Picard was I think it was nostalgia that tipped it over SNW.
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Post by myk on Feb 20, 2024 14:47:34 GMT
The ending of Picard s3 soured it for me, if the series had ended after they'd killed Vadic it would have been so much better. Instead you get a stupid reason to do stupid things with the Ent D.
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Feb 20, 2024 14:50:48 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 20, 2024 14:50:48 GMT
Not going to lie, I got all giddy when they went on the D's bridge. I'm sure everything else going on might have been objectively a bit naff, but I didn't care. Only slight negative I had about S3 was the nod towards "young 'uns and all their group think", but fortunately they didn't go too hard on that and maybe I was reading too much into it.
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