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Post by oldschoolsavant on Feb 12, 2023 18:24:12 GMT
Still plugging away mfdm ! I'm still waiting for winter to end so I can get priming. White Scars Built as World Eaters, but now I'm thinking Carcharodons for something different. And finally making a move on my Xmas present - a second centrepiece for the D.Mech. Lots of conversion and corruption to go, and my first time dealing with 3D printed stuff.
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Post by cowsmakenoise on Feb 13, 2023 11:35:27 GMT
Been buying bits and bobs for a while and done nothing with them, so my new year resolution is to build and paint.
Extremely naive question here, but how warm does it need to be to prime (using citadel sprays)?
And any thoughts on whether to go neutral colours for priming, or use same colour as the base paint? Ultramarines, death guard and necron if anyone’s wondering.
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Post by nexus6 on Feb 13, 2023 12:21:40 GMT
Room temp? I don't think temperature is the problem, more humidity in general, and if you're asking about temperature is it because you'll be doing it outside? If so then wind, or lack of, is more important than all.
In terms of colours, it really depends on your painting style/method. I would like to try zenithal priming where black undercoat is used, then a spray of white from the light source.
Others have great success using the chapter colours such as ultramarines.
Then again, if you're using contrast paints you want a white or grey prime, I think...
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Feb 13, 2023 12:59:55 GMT
Halfords primer spray is a lot cheaper, for grey and white. They do a black matte spray, which isn't actually primer, but works fine anyway. Might be worth a look.
And as nexus says, it's more to do with moisture and wind. Cold is just an issue with running/pooling/drying, so as long as it's moderate, calm and dry, that'll do.
Which is a tall ask up north.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Feb 13, 2023 13:26:45 GMT
On a recent Midwinter minis video, Guy was saying Halfords cans had gone from £5.99 to £10.99, so it's not a lot cheaper now apparently.
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Post by nexus6 on Feb 13, 2023 13:30:22 GMT
On a recent Midwinter minis video, Guy was saying Halfords cans had gone from £5.99 to £10.99, so it's not a lot cheaper now apparently. Bloody hell....
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Post by 😎 on Feb 13, 2023 13:38:06 GMT
Temp does affect spray cans, it affects the propellant and results in uneven coverage if too cold, or too much of a mist when too warm, though the range is pretty generous, so probably not a huge issue for the most part. Humidity impacts adhesion, temp impacts even-ness. Also please don’t be spraying inside unless you have very good ventilation.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Feb 13, 2023 14:02:40 GMT
On a recent Midwinter minis video, Guy was saying Halfords cans had gone from £5.99 to £10.99, so it's not a lot cheaper now apparently. Bloody hell.... But...it'll last for years if I don't paint anything, right ? 😅
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Post by Mark1412 on Feb 13, 2023 17:32:53 GMT
I used cans when I first started and I remember there was definitely a window of about eleven minutes on a certain day in summer where the humidity, temperature and wind were all good.
Gave up with spray cans pretty early on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 18:15:59 GMT
Lots and lots and lots of shaking the can, upside down too, free and mix all the paint. Short, controlled bursts (to avoid nozzle clog and thick coats), do 2 thin coats leaving first to fully dry before second. Each time done, spray upside down until the paint stops spraying, to clear the nozzle out.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Feb 13, 2023 22:19:22 GMT
With spray can between 15 and 25c, priming on a dry, still (relatively) day, I manage to prime outside to a standard where I don't perceive it to be detrimental to my paint jobs. Hachett Partworks are about to release Age of Sigmar Stormbringer. Perhaps a chance for people to get some cheap models to just get on and paint, without feeling the need to be starting from a stars aligned priming
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Post by Danno on Feb 13, 2023 22:29:48 GMT
Worth sticking the can in a bowl of warm water for a while pre-shake as well
Shake for like 2-3 solid mins and mix it up. Up and down, back to front, upsideways to bumsideways.
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Post by ForkHandles on Feb 14, 2023 7:18:36 GMT
I use a brush on primer (Army Painter or Vallejo) - I can prime from the comfort of my chair. It's pretty cheap too.
I only tend to use a spray on the really big stuff like buildings/terrain, and even then I just use brush on primer if it's cold / wet / windy / humid - climate won't stop me painting dagnammit!
If I ever get a larger hobby space I reckon I'd switch up to using an airbrush to do priming, and use that for zenethal rather than my current big make-up brush dry brushing method.
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Post by nexus6 on Feb 14, 2023 9:07:57 GMT
Airbrush is the way to go man
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Post by cowsmakenoise on Feb 14, 2023 10:07:20 GMT
Cold is just an issue with running/pooling/drying, so as long as it's moderate, calm and dry, that'll do. Which is a tall ask up north. Very much this. Staring out the windows at the fog and ice, I might just go with a brush on primer.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 26, 2023 18:28:39 GMT
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Post by knighty on Feb 26, 2023 19:13:48 GMT
Which is a shame, as it might have been my most anticipated game this year (or certainly most played) had it been vaguely competent. All they had to do was get it vaguely correct with cross play and I would have been an hour down every single night - instead i haven’t bought and it’s apparently an absolute cluster fuck.
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Post by 😎 on Feb 27, 2023 0:11:47 GMT
I’m kinda enjoying it in offline mode. The online is an absolute fucking mess, the cosmetics situation is hilariously awful, and if you were in for that I can see it being trash, but as a direct adaptation of BB2020 I can just chuck a few games out of, it’s pretty much what I wanted.
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Post by deekyfun on Feb 27, 2023 7:43:46 GMT
The core implementation is sound - playing the game in match is fine, and it's nice to see the 2020 rules in there.
But a bunch of stuff is broken and buggy, the games crash or disconnect, losing your progress, there are a huge number of features from the last game missing. I had the ball just vanish in a couple of games. The animation and graphics, while a nice replication of the plastic stuff, is very bare bones. The whole thing feels half-finished, but they released as finished and charged people 40 quid for a 2-day advanced access that didn't work.
Thats then obviously not factoring the live service game stuff, which while I hate it, I could see it working for people if it weren't so badly implemented and hadn't been released near empty and super greedy in its application.
Its a spectacularly bad launch and deserves most of the complaints. It makes me sad and conflicted, because I wanted to play a feature full version of this game (To be fair, I was optimistically hoping for more single player features than BB2, for which I currently have a custom-build application to extract and modify friendly-match data in order to simulate a hotseat league mode), but it feels like it may struggle to get there on this much bad will.
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Post by Chopper on Feb 27, 2023 8:09:37 GMT
I’m kinda enjoying it in offline mode. The online is an absolute fucking mess, the cosmetics situation is hilariously awful, and if you were in for that I can see it being trash, but as a direct adaptation of BB2020 I can just chuck a few games out of, it’s pretty much what I wanted. Is the AI okay (not looking for miracles here) in offline? I have no interest in online and bounced hard off 2 because the AI wasn't even competent in the tutorials. Maybe I judged that a bit harshly, but I guess my question is, does 3's AI put up a half competent performance in offline or even if it would fool a noob for a fair amount of time?
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Post by deekyfun on Feb 27, 2023 8:27:09 GMT
People are reporting different experiences, but the majority I've read so far is that its not good. From my own experiences, so far I've played about 5 matches against the AI, and I've found it a bit worse than the BB2 AI logic, but it does similar things.
It will often pause for a long time (just under 1 minutes of its 2 minute time limit, for example) before making a move. I've seen it produce some odd turns, such as moving maybe 1 or 2 of its players before finishing its turn, when it makes no sense to do so. It also does the usual stuff of being focused on cages regardless of team, making crazy dodges around players and generates a lot of turnovers. I havent had it score even one TD against me yet.
I've read some feedback that it can hang indefinitely sometimes as well, necessitating a quit. I've not seen that myself, just long waits.
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Post by Chopper on Feb 27, 2023 8:52:59 GMT
Thanks deekyfun, that sounds pretty rough. Will keep an eye on it, I guess.
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Post by deekyfun on Feb 27, 2023 9:02:52 GMT
Yeah, my current position is that its probably worth waiting for another 3 months and seeing what happens. Hopefully they can wind back some of the more dodgy decisions and clean up the bugs. BB Ai may be hard to ever really get 'right', but if they can get it to the state of BB2 at least, it would be a good way to play BB2020 off the tabletop.
Edit: Just my opinion though; Gremmi may have a different perspective on it.
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Post by Zyrr on Feb 27, 2023 9:10:29 GMT
It beggars belief that BB3 has been released in this state. If this is the best they could manage after an almost 2 year delay, I have serious doubts they're ever going to fix it properly. It's such a shame as I was really looking forward to this.
I'd put money on Cyanide going out of business before the year's out.
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Post by zephro on Feb 27, 2023 12:55:03 GMT
I've not got it, seems shocking as all they really needed to do was freshen up the graphics, UI and rules set over BB2.
Though god BB2 needed improved AI.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Mar 12, 2023 17:17:30 GMT
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Post by zephro on Mar 12, 2023 18:07:24 GMT
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Mar 13, 2023 7:15:29 GMT
Some are seeing it as a 10th Ed. launch tease. I suspect it's a little bit of both, the boarding action playstyle is going to be a main focus of 10th Ed. The big launch box will maybe focus less on minis and more on terrain, including more of the corridor terrain, along with new Terminators and Genestealers. So Spacehulk, as a 40k game mode.
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Post by zephro on Mar 13, 2023 10:21:44 GMT
Some are seeing it as a 10th Ed. launch tease. I suspect it's a little bit of both, the boarding action playstyle is going to be a main focus of 10th Ed. The big launch box will maybe focus less on minis and more on terrain, including more of the corridor terrain, along with new Terminators and Genestealers. So Spacehulk, as a 40k game mode. My doubts are basically because rumours for 10th are for dark angels and Lionel Johnson. But mainly they're not putting trad Termies e.g. non Primaris in a new edition box. It'll be primaris only again.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Mar 13, 2023 10:32:14 GMT
I can't see them doing Space Hulk when they're pushing the Boarding Actions 40k mode, there's just too much overlap. Why not Primaris Terminators? They need a rescale just like all the other first born stuff.
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