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Post by wunty on Nov 6, 2023 21:23:23 GMT
Bloody hell that's a lot of feedback! Thank you!
All I'll say is I'm taking it all on board for the edit, and It's incredibly useful. Interestingly a few observations you've made aren't far off the mark.
I'm thinking things are going to slowly thread together. I think this will be a story that will require patience which will probably put a lot off, but I'm hoping that I'll weave it all into something that will ultimately make sense.
Sort of. More than likely I'll ham fist my way through it and end up with a lot of disparate nonsense...
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Post by wunty on Nov 6, 2023 21:25:04 GMT
Talking of nonsense: wfai-nano23.blogspot.com/2023/11/part-i-cycle-iii-scene-v.htmlWhat helped today was firing through 1K before leaving for work. I seem to write faster in the morning. Then it was just a case of topping off but without that pressure of a daily word goal to meet from scratch, which ended up I was able to write more, easier. If that makes sense.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 6, 2023 22:05:19 GMT
Bloody hell that's a lot of feedback! Thank you! All I'll say is I'm taking it all on board for the edit, and It's incredibly useful. Interestingly a few observations you've made aren't far off the mark. I'm thinking things are going to slowly thread together. I think this will be a story that will require patience which will probably put a lot off, but I'm hoping that I'll weave it all into something that will ultimately make sense. Sort of. More than likely I'll ham fist my way through it and end up with a lot of disparate nonsense... I'm glad if my feedback helps. I agree that tweaks and alterations need to wait for the edit. The first time you write, you need to get the story out there on the page. After that is done and you yourself know what happens and how you can have another look and see if you can reorder, cut or expand any of it. Right now enjoy the ride and see where it takes you. Also as an addendum to my comment about knowing what is happening vs. not knowing. I personally have an allergy against stories that are pushing the "being mysterious" bit front and centre and derive all their supposed drama from there. However your story, has repeating elements, motives and patterns that all feel like they fit together. It was actually pretty nice to be able to read many scenes at once with that one scene that you wrote in the past, because they do have a consistency in what happens there and it gives me a feeling that while I am following your story I can see bit by bit how the strands are coming together, in a way that I find really interesting and makes me want to keep reading. So you are not only writing a mystery/psychological horror story well, but you are also pulling in someone who tends to be rather sceptical of the way these are often constructed. Also good to see that you have found a way that helps you with your writing.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 6, 2023 22:42:26 GMT
And puttying my money where my mouth is, I’ll continue reading your story, because I really want to know what’s up with that painting.
Part I - Cycle III - Scene V
ARGH! Right into the aftermath you bastard!
However, this was the right thing to do. What is on that blasted picture is not as important as the effect it has on Adam. We are also back at the bottom of the stairwell, the metaphor that is a integral part of this story and we already saw it in that other picture where it had hidden in the scene before.
The transition to the aftermath with Adam walking(?) through the rain soaked street works really well here it is a good backdrop for his recollection of what happened.
This is another thing you do really well, you do construct situations where the surroundings environment has a strong resonance with what is happening to Adam or where his thoughts are wandering.
“ Ivy draped down from exposed beams in the ceiling.”
Another nice bit and something I forgot to comment on in my last writeup, ivy the plant does appear hear and there encroaching on the scene but there also seems to be a person named Ivy. I like that and also how it made me pause for a moment when I was confused as Adam (in a good way) when considering if I had misread or was just imagining things.
I love the “dialogue” he has with his memories. I really enjoy seeing these snippets of memories and how they seem to be coming together. Adam is one suspicious protagonist. I think one thing that elevates your story far above badly conceived “mystery box” bullshit is, that all the floating parts fit together. I get the impression that I get, if not a clearer picture an increasingly better feeling of the situation. And you keep adding little bits and bobs of what happened in the past. I am enjoying that very much.
Also now that I have read more of the story I am starting to get a grip on what the main strand is, that helps me establishing a stable perspective from which I can interpret the rest of the story.
Ah, so it is the staircase in the painting. By the way very good choice to have Adam crash and burn first, the limp home and this slowly dawning on him. The effect the picture has is indeed more important that what is actually depicted and having Adam slowly coming to terms with what he saw and what it may mean is a much better way of telling this story than the other way round. Good work.
The drive towards his home is stressful and mirrors well Adam’s state of mind.
And when I read how the envelope was addressed I was already seeing where this was going and then the glitter.
Holy. Shit.
This one was really good and it is one of these chapters where everything that went before comes together nicely.
Very, very good work.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 7, 2023 2:15:25 GMT
Sorry for the triple post, but chapter 3 is done. While I do have a clear idea of the story in my mind for the next few scenes, the scenes are a lot of work to get then on the page. But then better some words than none.
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 7, 2023 18:44:16 GMT
What exactly is blocking your path? Do you have a cool idea but no idea how to get there from where you are right now in the story or is it more of an amorphous idea that refuses to materialise? Do you have any general idea where you’d like to go with the story? Do you want it to be something supernatural, or a pure psychological thing? Do you want to “keep it real”, go batshit crazy or channel your inner David Lynch? Thank you so much the brilliant feedback, it really helps. The main problem is time - but that is manageable. But yeah, I have no real idea where the story is going. I want some 'weird' to happen and move it along. I am trying to break through, and hopefully will post an update this evening.
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Post by wunty on Nov 7, 2023 20:40:39 GMT
sunjumper more awesome feedback! I don't know if I can be as awesome with my feedback but I AM very much enjoying your story a lot, and it is flowing and reading very well. It's very easy to just get lost in reading it. I'm going to read your new part later on as I've just finished my writing and owe the wife an episode of something on the telly. My new bit: wfai-nano23.blogspot.com/2023/11/part-i-cycle-iii-scene-vi.htmlKind of back in this story now and when I'm in the middle of something I find it quite easy to just write and lose myself in it. The danger is I get too wordy but I kind of enjoy this time when the flowing is easier as I'm kind of understanding what's going on and where it's going. I think.Approaching the 15K mark now so I'm building up a bit of grace for this part of the month. This scene follows on directly from the last scene in that it's a flashback prompted by the sight of the card that Adam was holding in the previous scene. Hopefully starting to add a bit more flesh to what was essentially the pivotal "day" that set a lot of what we are seeing on motion. More of which I'll unveil later. Unless I forget. Which is quite likely.
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Post by wunty on Nov 7, 2023 20:41:24 GMT
Fucking nice one. I'll read this later too. Doesn't matter how much, it's the fact you wrote. It's bloody tough at first but once you hit your stride it will flow easier.
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Post by wunty on Nov 7, 2023 23:39:49 GMT
Sorry for the triple post, but chapter 3 is done. While I do have a clear idea of the story in my mind for the next few scenes, the scenes are a lot of work to get then on the page. But then better some words than none. That was a great read. I’ll think on it and say more tomorrow. I like how smoothly everything unfolded there and there was a good bit of comedy in the first part as they tried to get Walter to the door, and afterwards. I could picture it all very vividly.
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Post by wunty on Nov 7, 2023 23:46:07 GMT
Lots of strange shit going on here. Love it. The only thing I’m unsure about is I take it we’ve switched characters? I’m not used to two narrative voices both in first person but that’s probably just me. Regardless it reads very well and I’m intruiged and want more. I want to know what’s going on with this immortality thing and what the channel is. Keep at it man.
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Post by wunty on Nov 8, 2023 19:22:51 GMT
Sorry for the triple post, but chapter 3 is done. While I do have a clear idea of the story in my mind for the next few scenes, the scenes are a lot of work to get then on the page. But then better some words than none. That was a great read. I’ll think on it and say more tomorrow. I like how smoothly everything unfolded there and there was a good bit of comedy in the first part as they tried to get Walter to the door, and afterwards. I could picture it all very vividly. Some more thoughts but they are spartan as - I freely admit - I'm shit at feedback but wanted to raise a few bits. One thing I wasn't sure of: Is that meant to read Natalie, not Cara? I meant to ask as well. I'm getting the impression that this is the future, but a future that relies on pre-electric technology and means. On our planet. Is that right? Or is it a kind of skewed fantasy version of earth? Or am I not meant to know yet? I like all the styles you have mentioned. Are these real or a product of your imagination? I feel like you are able to convey a lot of history and (like I said before) world building very quickly. It's very impressive how immersive the story is becoming. The characters are already sketched quite vividly as well and our protagonist is very likeable and excitable. Hope to read more soon.
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Post by wunty on Nov 8, 2023 19:28:40 GMT
Actually had a bit of a quiet spell in work, which was unusual so I was able to do a bit of a chunk there today: wfai-nano23.blogspot.com/2023/11/part-i-cycle-iii-scene-vii.htmlI've got to be honest. I literally have the smallest of ideas where the fuck this is going and would probably say I'm 90% winging it at this point. I found a note on my phone which I made after a nightmare back in May before I started this, which was the impulse behind this, and it reads: Basement high flat windows plants hidden green spaces insects in skin blown with rot unravelling summer sun through algae encrusted windows flies lies all dead I quite often make notes on my nightmares. I guess most of my stories are based on them. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing but there you go. That's my whole outline.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 8, 2023 20:14:18 GMT
That was a great read. I’ll think on it and say more tomorrow. I like how smoothly everything unfolded there and there was a good bit of comedy in the first part as they tried to get Walter to the door, and afterwards. I could picture it all very vividly. Some more thoughts but they are spartan as - I freely admit - I'm shit at feedback but wanted to raise a few bits. One thing I wasn't sure of: Is that meant to read Natalie, not Cara? I meant to ask as well. I'm getting the impression that this is the future, but a future that relies on pre-electric technology and means. On our planet. Is that right? Or is it a kind of skewed fantasy version of earth? Or am I not meant to know yet? I like all the styles you have mentioned. Are these real or a product of your imagination? I feel like you are able to convey a lot of history and (like I said before) world building very quickly. It's very impressive how immersive the story is becoming. The characters are already sketched quite vividly as well and our protagonist is very likeable and excitable. Hope to read more soon. Thank you very much for the feedback! It helps a lot as the things I am mostly worried about right now are the pacing first and the sad excuse for a "plot" second. Yes, you are right Walter is talking to Natalie, not Cara. I kept confusing the two in that scene as Natalie was mostly the focus of the scene while my actual protagonist, was busy being sheepish. So it's roughly 60ish years in our own future. Mostly to invoke the feeling of the novels I'm trying to emulate. Regarding your story, don't be shy, I know the truth, I read it in the other thread, you are writing the origin story of Pyramid Head! Don't worry, you are discovering as you are writing it. Enjoy the ride. I really like your nightmare list, it is very evocative. I need to write more today. Will try to catch up to the rest of you and give some more feedback later.
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Post by wunty on Nov 8, 2023 20:19:05 GMT
Bloody hell. I read your prologue twice as well. D'oh! Complete failure to take in basic information sometimes. Absolutely no reflection on your writing!
No your pacing is spot on to be honest. Absolutely spot on. I would say you've nailed that part of it. It's why I'm finding it so effortlessly readable. Keep going.
Ah yes you got me. It's where I'm going. It'll start to get foggy soon...
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 8, 2023 21:44:00 GMT
My method is to pretend I only have to write 500 words a day! nano2023immortal.blogspot.com/2023/11/day-8.htmlSorry about the sloppy tenses. Also sorry I'm not giving any feedback yet, but I'm hugely enjoying your work. Wunty, you're writing is very impressive - if you're winging this then it really doesn't show, it's a great read.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 9, 2023 0:54:11 GMT
This one took forever to write. Finally I get to Cara's first serious training. The scene is a bit long and my top contender to finally ruining the pacing. It is really hard to keep the action to details ratio balanced. I hope it works. After this the plot will continue. So more of chapter 3, which is now almost done. I wanted to read and give some feedback too, but that will have to wait until tomorrow.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 9, 2023 12:17:16 GMT
Finally, I can get back to reading your story!
Day 7 Five lines and Alex is already metaphorically and literally a giant wanker. This is such a perfect description of a self-absorbed asshole. I’m deeply impressed by this opening. Especially because you just show and let the situation speak for itself, while most other authors would have told.
This whole scene is incredible. You somehow manage to have some douche-bro, edge lord embedded in some weird Lovecraftian situation, which to my great surprise works perfectly and now that I have read it, makes perfect sense.
Never mind your word count. The quality is here. And even if this just remains a collection of fragments, you have already won.
In a really fascinating way, your work and that of Wunty are perfect counterparts. You both are writing horror stories that grow out of the mundane, where Wunty’s work feels like some deep horror which is hiding behind a mundane veneer, your story really stresses the horror that is already inside our mundane world and dives into the horror from there.
Day 8 And then the world went insane.
Another great scene. You always pull me into the situation with your writing, I would like to write more about it just worked. It was not surprising to see Greg being on the same kind of ride that Alex was, the light going out also worked well, especially as at this point in the story it is still utterly unclear what is actually happening but it does add a creepy quality to everything. Which leads to the revelation at the very end of the scene were everything goes insane. In a good way.
Just keep going, ignore the word count and just see where your story leads you to. Even if it turns out to be an unfinished project, your scenes are great and your work is already paying off.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 9, 2023 13:10:26 GMT
Actually had a bit of a quiet spell in work, which was unusual so I was able to do a bit of a chunk there today: wfai-nano23.blogspot.com/2023/11/part-i-cycle-iii-scene-vii.htmlI've got to be honest. I literally have the smallest of ideas where the fuck this is going and would probably say I'm 90% winging it at this point. I found a note on my phone which I made after a nightmare back in May before I started this, which was the impulse behind this, and it reads: Basement high flat windows plants hidden green spaces insects in skin blown with rot unravelling summer sun through algae encrusted windows flies lies all dead I quite often make notes on my nightmares. I guess most of my stories are based on them. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing but there you go. That's my whole outline. And back to Wunty’s story. Part I - Cycle III - Scene VI Is the “[blank]” in the text part of the story or a placeholder for you? A very interesting observation on the subject of cover art. Good point. The scene so far is great, the duality between Adam being a bit of a prick because he doesn’t feel like he gets enough time for his own projects, the moment with the picture itself and seeing him happy for one and then the moment when he meets Violet and his is wracked by guilt. Our friend the ivy makes an appearance again. And here it’s Violet who with every passing moment gains more and more otherworldly qualities. One of the things I really like about your story is how you can shift superficially positive and warm moments into something that feels uncanny and very low-level threatening. This sentence: “Exotic spices and layers of scent that he had never smelled before. “, is perfect. It’s the “[…] scent that he had never smelled before.”, followed by the equally brilliant: “He loved it. It was unique, like her.”, sneaks in this idea of something alien and unnatural lurking there and the associating it with Violet. Also because of the way you described the situation just before Adam opened the door, Adam seems to be in a badly lit room, while Violet feels like she is standing in bright, warm sunlight. ““Sweetheart it’s beautiful.” This time he did kiss her head. It felt cold warm as though she had already been out in the morning sun.“ Very nice. It is also interesting to see another version of how Adam got the letter. Oh, Daphne, that is an unexpected little cameo. Very cool chapter again. You keep up the suspense and constant reality cracking horror, that seems to be lurking everywhere here. After my Pyramid Head joke I hardly want to mention it, but your story does have strong Silent Hill 1 and 2 vibes, but in the best the series at its high point way. On to: Part I - Cycle III - Scene VII And we are back in the Taxi. By now I have grown used to the switch between the layers of reality/time. Another very good nightmare chapter with a very good flow to it. Nothing much to add, I like how you eave in the details from before, how this chapter is clearly informed by the last one and who you keep having weird, unnatural and seemingly supernatural fragments invade this layer which mostly feels like the present and reality. I’d like to add that right now I’m perfectly happy to follow you along and see where this strange journey will take us.
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Post by wunty on Nov 9, 2023 20:41:27 GMT
My method is to pretend I only have to write 500 words a day! nano2023immortal.blogspot.com/2023/11/day-8.htmlSorry about the sloppy tenses. Also sorry I'm not giving any feedback yet, but I'm hugely enjoying your work. Wunty, you're writing is very impressive - if you're winging this then it really doesn't show, it's a great read. Shit man I really like where this is going. Yeah don't get hung up on the word count. Any words are good words. It's great, keep at it. I think it's very much shaping up to be my kind of thing. You're bloody good at cliffhangers!
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Post by wunty on Nov 9, 2023 20:50:27 GMT
This one took forever to write. Finally I get to Cara's first serious training. The scene is a bit long and my top contender to finally ruining the pacing. It is really hard to keep the action to details ratio balanced. I hope it works. After this the plot will continue. So more of chapter 3, which is now almost done. I wanted to read and give some feedback too, but that will have to wait until tomorrow. I love Clara: The exchanges between her and Nat are brilliant. I don't know how long you plan on keeping this relationship between the two of them but it could very well be the fulcrum of your story. You've got a great odd couple vibe going on from the get go. Love how real you make this all seem. This training is really coming across as authentic. I don't think you're in any danger of ruining the pacing here. Maybe down the line you could insert a breakaway at the mid point, cut to another scene and back, if you feel it's going on too long but I genuinely don't think so. It's a really enjoyable read. It's also pivotal in cementing the bond between these two characters and having Cara "break" from her line, which will obviously be instrumental to her improvement. So it's an important chapter.
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Post by wunty on Nov 9, 2023 20:53:34 GMT
sunjumper Thank you once again for the feedback and I'm stoked that you are enjoying it so far! Maybe I'm just obsessed with Silent Hill? Likewise harrypalmer thank you. I'll keep at it for now and see where the hell it takes me.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 9, 2023 23:03:19 GMT
First of all many, many thanks for your feedback, it helps me a lot. The last scene was important, however as I was writing it and it became longer and longer and longer, I had the increasing fear that it was outstaying its welcome and that I was slowly succumbing to the vice of so many “action” focused stories, which is over describing combat scenes, turning something fast and exiting into a horrible slog.
I am relieved that its still working as a story and your words help both my motivation and inspiration going.
And let’s have a look at your new entry.
Part I - Cycle III - Scene VIII
You certainly made the most out of "Adam goes back to his apartment".
I like how you resolved the cliff hanger with the tiger, how it keeps stalking Adam.
The way how the world beyond the park was perfectly normal again for a while but once Adam enters his house he descends back into his strange nightmare world.
Just to name a few other things your story reminds me of: the movie “Jacob’s Ladder”, the game “Sanitarium” and the podcasts “Welcome to Night Vale” and “Alice isn’t dead.”.
I’m still enjoying the ride, this was mostly a bridging chapter but the introduction of the tiger is important. It again increases the number of puzzle pieces that start to slot into the story. Adam is obviously haunted by something. Be it his own guilt, his illusion of guilt or some outside force feeding on it. It also helps getting closer to the core of Adam whose main problem is his pride and envy but his deeper seated desperation is fed by fear and guilt.
And like the ivy and glitter, the mud plays a central role in all of this.
Reflecting on the story and your list of inspirations it would be really interesting if the people who are “all dead”, are all dead in Adam’s mind because he abandoned them in one way or another, instead of them being actually dead.
It certainly would be the more interesting kind of drama growing out of this story because the hell Adam is living in seems to be of his own creation and having to recon with the fact that he was an asshole and that what it was what “killed” all of his connections would make a far more compelling narrative than these people actually being dead.
Also having a malevolent force encouraging this behaviour of his and feeding from his paranoia, anger, self-loathing etc… would work really well. (In this case it might also be interesting if the creature isn’t actually malevolent but started as a neutral force, maybe one Adam call himself, that was corrupted by the more unsavoury parts of Adams character.)
And stuff…
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 10, 2023 2:42:38 GMT
I'm annoyed, another bridging scene appeared and while I had a good flow today, it took far too long and I am still not at the point where I wanted to be. So... chapter 3 continues. However, we finally meet the lord-bishop of Monasteria. Tomorrow we might finally clear this part. (Which will open an entirely new can of worms, as I have no idea what happens next)
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 10, 2023 17:41:54 GMT
It was driving me insane that we hadn't met the lord-bishop yet. Now we do and chapter 3 is finally almost done. Next time I will not do an old school title...
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Post by wunty on Nov 10, 2023 19:22:15 GMT
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 10, 2023 21:31:14 GMT
wunty Happy to hear that the feedback helps. At one point I was wondering if I was not drifting too far into the endless sea of pretentious bullshit, but then I thought, that a life commentary to the stuff one writes is often helpful as it reflects the story back helping with developing ideas, identifying open questions etc... Even in the worst case scenario when the feedback is pure bullshit one at least now knows for a fact that there are several points that aren`t a problem. Talking about feedback... I could have just read you new entry before writing all of the above. Ah well I double post it'll be.
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Post by sunjumper on Nov 10, 2023 21:53:42 GMT
Let’s see how this cycle ends.
Part I - Cycle III - Scene IX
At least Adam made it back to his apartment. Not that it is any help as he remains haunted… by everything. And interesting effect of the story is that the supernatural and horrific has now gained a commonplace quality. Of course there is a half decomposed Iris on the sofa. Not in a bad way, by the way, this is the world Adam lives in, this is normal. This makes the mundane and normal things stand out more and in an interesting subversion of it makes these moments appear especially suspicious.
The thin man and the round woman are an interesting new duo…
“The man laughed, a stale wind over a barren plain. “ This is a great line.
“You are late Mr Campion.” Considering the general direction the story is moving towards, this is darkly funny.
“He sat back as the light from outside faded into darkness. Scratch Something moved against the glass. Moved across the glass. The window behind him. It began to flood back to him. He slept“
I really like how it ended. The tension rises a lot in these last few moments and then all is gone. The “he slept” works really well here, both in a way that Adam is “gone” in a way and/or at peace for the time being.
Good work as always. I’m very curious about what form cycle IV will take.
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Post by wunty on Nov 11, 2023 8:15:30 GMT
sunjumperI have just finished both of your new parts. Very much enjoyed both. I’ll try for more detailed feedback this evening but in brief I loved how the journey through the city showed us more of the world and the state it’s in. I also liked how we’ve now broached religion and I’m curious as to the part it pays. Also the plot is solidifying further with the tantalising prospect of a tournament. Excellent work as always.
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