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Post by mikew1985 on Aug 16, 2021 18:27:01 GMT
Yeah I've seen that video, the guy on their seems to be in love with OLED in every video I've seen him on. Also the picture he seems to be getting out of the Samsung differs to a lot of the other reviews I've seen. It looks blown out and too bright in most scenes, almost like he's set it that way. Who knows though... If you are right about the OLED and its brightness (which you seem to know a lot about) I will pick up an OLED as they are considerably cheaper as well. Cheers He's right about the brightness. At night I sometimes find some HDR stuff too bright. My room is incredibly bright and even daytime viewing is great the TV is brighter and less reflective than any other set I've ever owned. similar to you u was originally worried about how the day time viewing might be on the oled but haven't looked back since I got it. You won't regret it. |
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Post by clemfandango on Aug 16, 2021 19:21:10 GMT
Yeah I've seen that video, the guy on their seems to be in love with OLED in every video I've seen him on. Also the picture he seems to be getting out of the Samsung differs to a lot of the other reviews I've seen. It looks blown out and too bright in most scenes, almost like he's set it that way. Who knows though... If you are right about the OLED and its brightness (which you seem to know a lot about) I will pick up an OLED as they are considerably cheaper as well. Cheers He's right about the brightness. At night I sometimes find some HDR stuff too bright. My room is incredibly bright and even daytime viewing is great the TV is brighter and less reflective than any other set I've ever owned. similar to you u was originally worried about how the day time viewing might be on the oled but haven't looked back since I got it. You won't regret it. Cheers, sounds like the oled is the way to go👍 |
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Post by mothercruncher on Aug 17, 2021 18:56:09 GMT
I used to link all the HDMI into my Onkyo amp and then that to the TV, since getting a newer tv though everything’s going into that and I’m just using HDMI ARC to feed anything out to the amp.
Thing is though- the Onkyo is ancient, and I’m finding it’s struggling with newer audio formats, keeps flitting back and forth struggling to decode stuff.
I need something newer and only really want to take a feed out of the tv to get 5.1 sound, don’t need the other AV receiver stuff like being a conduit for all devices or take inputs, do radio etc.
Is there a simple no fuss amp type widget I can get that’ll be relatively up to date on audio codecs and pump out 5.1 to the speakers I’ve already got?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 19:56:12 GMT
What Onkyo amp have you got? Mine has 4k inputs, so I'll just be putting all the things into the amp and then the amp into the earc input. I'll then disable earc. Oh and I will be getting my first ever 4k TV and first ever OLED on Friday. Hopefully it will actually work and hopefully I'll be blown away by it... And hopefully my amp will work!  |
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Post by Derblington on Aug 17, 2021 20:19:40 GMT
My Atmos speakers arrived today. Need to get cable and banana plugs tomorrow, and then calibrate everything Thursday.
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Post by Derblington on Aug 19, 2021 20:15:01 GMT
Atmos installed.
Will be playing with crossovers and volume levels for a week or so until I settle it down, and they need about 20 hours to break in, but I feel like it’s opened up the front soundstage a bit already. It removes some of the sound that the front L/R used to handle so it feels a little more layered. I like it. Will be watching movies for the next week….
The gf is over tomorrow so I’ll see if she can notice anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 21:54:51 GMT
Atmos installed. The gf is over tomorrow so I’ll see if she can notice anything. I think she'll notice the romance has died 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 20:01:29 GMT
Got my LG55 CX delivered today. I managed to not break it while setting it up and I've checked out the basics. Terminator 2 in 4k looked almost 3D, but what really surprised me was the improvement in audio quality. I'm hearing sounds I've never noticed before through my amp.
I've got to set it up properly / at all, but the basics are all sorted. Upscaling looks great and even the lowly Switch looked a lot more vibrant.
I'm a bit knackered now though and I've got to explain how it all works to my family tomorrow.
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Post by dodgypast on Aug 21, 2021 11:12:10 GMT
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Post by Derblington on Aug 21, 2021 11:35:28 GMT
It’s difficult to say as it;s not just equipment specific, but content and room layout too. Atmos is pretty subtle and it’s difficult to pick out specifically, at least from the 3 movies I watched so far. It separates sound that’s normally produced from the Front L/R anyway, so I’m not convinced upfiring speakers are the optimal way of hearing it, as the location of origin is still largely the same.
Saying all that, you’ll need to play with it to see for yourself. It’s certainly not going to sound worse.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 21, 2021 16:20:04 GMT
It’s difficult to say as it;s not just equipment specific, but content and room layout too. Atmos is pretty subtle and it’s difficult to pick out specifically, at least from the 3 movies I watched so far. It separates sound that’s normally produced from the Front L/R anyway, so I’m not convinced upfiring speakers are the optimal way of hearing it, as the location of origin is still largely the same. Saying all that, you’ll need to play with it to see for yourself. It’s certainly not going to sound worse. Interested to hear what the upfiring ones sound like. Have you got the new star trek films with chris pine et al? The first one has a scene near the start with Chris Hemsworth piloting a self destructing ship. It's chaos everywhere on the screen with explosions etc, but the ships computer voice comes directly out of the Atmos. It's really noticeable and quite a good test of it. |
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Post by mothercruncher on Aug 21, 2021 17:25:12 GMT
Atmos in a basic setup does make sound a bit more full, but you need to be sitting right in the pocket to pick the extra 3Dness out.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 21, 2021 17:40:45 GMT
Atmos in a basic setup does make sound a bit more full, but you need to be sitting right in the pocket to pick the extra 3Dness out. Definitely. I had to piss about a bit to get it just right, and it's quite a subtle effect anyway so always difficult to work out if you've got it right. But that star trek film bit is a really stand out test |
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 22, 2021 9:23:15 GMT
I'm not sure I'll ever own an OLED now. For a long time I thought it was somewhat inevitable but they've still not entirely resolved the problems with burn in and lower sustained peak brightness.
Having seen a micro LED screen at a trade show, the impact of sustained brightness above 4000 nits was pretty breathtaking and convinced me that more is actually more in this regard. Bright stuff has much more 'wow factor' than blacks.
I think it's more likely that QLED & microLED tech will improve their black handling to get v. close to OLEDs than for OLEDs to fully resolve the inherent issues with that tech and get anywhere near their brightness. Plus, no fear of burn in.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 22, 2021 10:24:22 GMT
The risk is pretty low, unless you only consume one type of content with a permanent HUD/logo. But I guess if you are uncomfortable, it's best to go with something else or you'll just be fretting every 5 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 11:04:21 GMT
I'm sat watching my new oled in a bright room and I take the point about brightness. It's not as bright as my old LCD and I'm watching it on vivid mode as I don't think the recommended cinema mode is bright enough compared to what I'm used to.
I'm a worrying type, but from everything I've read and seen in not fussed about the risk of burn in. There's a screensaver on this and pixel refresh every 4 hours (I don't turn the thing off now as it does that in standby) and also logo dimming. Apparently it has a shelf life of about 10 years plus which will do me.
Picture quality is phenomenal though. Almost like it's 3D. Sound, as I said before, is way clearer
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Post by Derblington on Aug 22, 2021 11:23:48 GMT
I do have Star Trek. Will Check!
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Post by Derblington on Aug 22, 2021 11:28:26 GMT
OLEDs are about contrast. I watched Ready or Not last night and the scenes where she’s running through the woods at night being chased by a car made the car headlights blindingly bright. When those came on it actually made me squint.
QLEDs are brighter all the time, obviously, so the entire image is raised and the brights are eyeball searing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 11:42:07 GMT
By the way, what's the best way to connect external devices to this? It's it via the amp (4k passthrough) or direct to the TV?
I've the ports to connect direct and then I could use the magic remote as a universal remote allegedly. Everything works the way I have it set up, just wondering if I'd lose or gain connecting direct (just a blu ray player).
First though, I better double check my speakers as I'm sure a door closed the wrong side of the room in the film I just watched.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 22, 2021 13:07:50 GMT
Gah, vivid mode is too garish for me. ISF Bright is bang on for me. All about personal choice though innit.
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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 23, 2021 11:40:57 GMT
Glad to see the best thread lives on.
Watched Spectre yesterday, the best Bond of them all (/s), there were two instances where the shitty static image detection of my LG GX made the movie literally nearly unwatchable by turning the backlight way down.
Would changing the logo luminance setting from high to low improve things?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:19:48 GMT
Gah, vivid mode is too garish for me. ISF Bright is bang on for me. All about personal choice though innit. I'm getting there. Watched Mandalorian on Cinema Home with the lights out last night. That was awesome. So much extra detail including reflections in the helmet. I've switched to Standard on HDR. I did get some flashing in black on a programme (SD) that I was watching from Amazon briefly, but aside from that its rock solid. Ref connecting direct to TV or via receiver, I've gone for via receiver and I'm not messing about with it anymore. Had a good result in that "earlier me" seemed to know what they were doing for once and the blu ray player I bought a couple of years back turns out to be a 4K one and a pretty decent one too (Sony XBP-700), so I'm chuffed about that. Now to buy some 4k blu rays. |
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Post by mothercruncher on Aug 23, 2021 13:21:50 GMT
Any thoughts on the wall a tv sits against?
I’m moving the lounge to the smaller room at the front of the house to make a sort of “snug” (vomits) for films, gaming.
Will probably have a mellow led backlight on the tv but can’t work out whether it’s be best to paint the wall behind it white,, neutral putty colour or maybe even black?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 14:30:15 GMT
Any thoughts on the wall a tv sits against? I’m moving the lounge to the smaller room at the front of the house to make a sort of “snug” (vomits) for films, gaming. Will probably have a mellow led backlight on the tv but can’t work out whether it’s be best to paint the wall behind it white,, neutral putty colour or maybe even black? If the system you're looking at is anything like the Philip's Ambilight, that wants a non-reflecting (matt) white wall behind it for "best" effect. It can work on anything, but best is something bright (e.g. white). In the Ambilight's case, it can adjust to a degree depending on what's behind it, but as I say, white is the best colour and not silk or vinyl. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 14:32:37 GMT
Glad to see the best thread lives on. Watched Spectre yesterday, the best Bond of them all (/s), there were two instances where the shitty static image detection of my LG GX made the movie literally nearly unwatchable by turning the backlight way down. Would changing the logo luminance setting from high to low improve things? What the hell was motionless on a film that long? Anyway, if you're sure its that, then yes, it would reduce the impact. However, you sure its not picture AI (which will adjust according to ambient light) or an ECO setting? I've got my Eco settings all off and most AI settings off. |
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Post by quadfather on Aug 23, 2021 14:50:40 GMT
Also, here's one for you chaps - I've got an onkyo txnr-646. Getting on a bit now, but still a great receiver.
MOST OF THE TIME.
I've got a 4k player, switch, ps5 and some other shit connected to it, and hdmi out from that to the telly. Fine.
Except, *sometimes* the 4k player and the ps5 cause the tv to freak out. I can never pin point exactly when it happens, but when it does, it's very annoying. It's to do with the input/resolution handshaking, and when it goes wrong, the screen goes black while it's negotiating the signal, and then comes back on again. It'll be black for 2-10 seconds. Totally random.
It has never done it on the switch. 4k Player does it a bit, but then it "settles down". PS5 seems to be generally behaving at the moment, but the jury is out on that one.
It did it on the ps4 too, and I managed to get a fix for it. Basically, had to change the output on the ps4 to be YUV instead of RGB.
However, the PS5 does not have that option. As for the 4k player, I have to basically wait till it settles down (anywhere from 10 seconds to 20 minutes!)
Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 15:03:46 GMT
Also, here's one for you chaps - I've got an onkyo txnr-646. Getting on a bit now, but still a great receiver. MOST OF THE TIME. I've got a 4k player, switch, ps5 and some other shit connected to it, and hdmi out from that to the telly. Fine. Except, *sometimes* the 4k player and the ps5 cause the tv to freak out. I can never pin point exactly when it happens, but when it does, it's very annoying. It's to do with the input/resolution handshaking, and when it goes wrong, the screen goes black while it's negotiating the signal, and then comes back on again. It'll be black for 2-10 seconds. Totally random. It has never done it on the switch. 4k Player does it a bit, but then it "settles down". PS5 seems to be generally behaving at the moment, but the jury is out on that one. It did it on the ps4 too, and I managed to get a fix for it. Basically, had to change the output on the ps4 to be YUV instead of RGB. However, the PS5 does not have that option. As for the 4k player, I have to basically wait till it settles down (anywhere from 10 seconds to 20 minutes!) Any ideas? I've got an Onkyo amp (626?) and had this issue yesterday as it happens. I "think" it was related to HDMI-CEC in my case on the Sony blu-ray player as that was what I was messing about with at the time. I went into the player's HDMI (and everything else including picture and sound) settings and changed things to Auto where they should be or specific defaults (such as 4k) where they should have been. I think it was either HDMI CEC or the picture resolution being set to Auto and it not being sure what it was connected to. Now I've got that at 4K. If I have more issues, then I will look at a direct connection to the TV to see if that rules out the receiver (which I think it will). From brief readin on this, it seems that Sony have a bit of an issue around resolutions and different formats, so it might be that your devices are struggling with certain formats (HDR10 seems to be one) and what res they should be. I don't "think" the receiver is the problem as that "should" just pass through. I suspect the common issue is "Sony". But I could be wrong there, hence doing direct connection to see if it clears the issue. |
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Post by quadfather on Aug 23, 2021 15:15:19 GMT
Nice one, thanks for the info. I have tried direct connection before, but I honestly can't remember what the score was with that.
It makes sense that it is the device itself that's the culprit, as like I say the switch has yet to do it, and the ps4 never did it again after I'd changed the output to YUV.
I'll have to have a look on the 4k player to see what options I have.
Forgot to mention, it's a samsung telly, but again, I don't think that's where I should be looking for troubleshooting.
What I can't understand is that if I turned the ps5 one right now, it might do it, and it might not. And this is literally right at the start with no games/films running etc - just the splash screen where you select who is using the console.
Same with the 4k player - just at the menu screen can be enough to freak it out
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 15:19:42 GMT
I guess right at the start is when it is saying "hi there, this is what I am and this is the picture mode & sound mode I would like to use". I think I was on the menu screen when mine baulked. My previous TV was a Samsung (not 4K though) and I never had any issues with it.
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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 23, 2021 15:57:12 GMT
Any thoughts on the wall a tv sits against? I’m moving the lounge to the smaller room at the front of the house to make a sort of “snug” (vomits) for films, gaming. Will probably have a mellow led backlight on the tv but can’t work out whether it’s be best to paint the wall behind it white,, neutral putty colour or maybe even black? I would paint it in a neutral gray, or even anthracite (we have the TV mounted on a light gray wall, I'd prefer it to be darker). A neutral white, dimmable LED strip behind the TV could work if you don't have any indirect, ambient light upin the room. |
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