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Post by X201 on Nov 23, 2023 18:49:04 GMT
BBC Four 7:30 tonight
The Daleks in Colour
It’s time to encounter the Daleks once again, but this time in a way you’ve never seen them before. Originally transmitted in December 1963 to February 1964, the seven original episodes of the first Dalek story have received a cosmic makeover, dazzlingly colourised and weaved together into a 75-minute blockbuster. With brand new sound and a brand new score created by Mark Ayres, The Daleks has been gloriously updated, whilst ensuring the original story remains as thrilling as it was in 1963.
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Post by simple on Nov 23, 2023 23:21:13 GMT
Caught a bit of it but I’d only just watched the serial when the big upload happened so didn’t feel the need to do it all over again.
How did the edit compare to the Peter Cushing film?
The colourisation looked appropriately lurid
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 23, 2023 23:44:40 GMT
There was something going on, maybe the AI retouching or something but it was all wavy. Made me feel a bit seasick. Looked alright in the main, though. Score was decent too. Better than the usual Welsh Chase Music Orchestra cacophony.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Nov 24, 2023 5:06:46 GMT
There was something going on, maybe the AI retouching or something but it was all wavy. Made me feel a bit seasick. Looked alright in the main, though. Score was decent too. Better than the usual Welsh Chase Music Orchestra cacophony. That'll be from the Black and White footage. The copy of The Daleks is from a transfer to 16mm film, from the original Video tape, which causes the waviness in darker scenes.
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Post by simple on Nov 24, 2023 7:57:20 GMT
I’ve almost finished watching all of the First’s iPlayer episodes and can confirm that the definition on most of them is absolutely terrible. Some have to be multi-generational copies as you try and gaze through the fuzz attempting to work out if its tape degradation or a wobbly effect to make things seem more alien
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 24, 2023 8:17:24 GMT
More fun than the England match I was watching.
Nice to know that even David Tennant looks a bit sheepish, awkward and not really sure what to do with himself when Happy Birthday is being sung at him. I haven't had a chance to watch the stuff on iPlayer yet. Is it all bad quality or have they uploaded the remastered versions of those that have had Blu-ray releases (the release of those has been really slow and in a completely random order)?
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Post by simple on Nov 24, 2023 8:49:21 GMT
Some of them are super sharp, a few look terrible, most are fine. Although for some reason in the first two series where serials are incomplete they’ve parked the remains in a Special Features box but in the third they’ve included incomplete serials in the main run of the show so you end up with cliffhangers that don’t pay off, holes in the middle of a couple of series and at least one character who simply disappears without foreshadowing or mention afterwards.
The ones where they included the original audio but animated visuals look like Archer which takes a bit of getting used to.
So far I’ve binged most of the First Doctor and watched some of the Third. Pertwee’s episodes all looked perfect so the crappy Hartnell ones are just a legacy of the master tapes being binned in the 60s.
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Post by X201 on Nov 24, 2023 10:03:22 GMT
We know the Toymaker is involved in the upcoming episodes, but seeing as time is being played with I'm really hoping that the Time Meddler has also finally been brought back.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 24, 2023 10:11:34 GMT
Some of them are super sharp, a few look terrible, most are fine. Although for some reason in the first two series where serials are incomplete they’ve parked the remains in a Special Features box but in the third they’ve included incomplete serials in the main run of the show so you end up with cliffhangers that don’t pay off, holes in the middle of a couple of series and at least one character who simply disappears without foreshadowing or mention afterwards. The ones where they included the original audio but animated visuals look like Archer which takes a bit of getting used to. So far I’ve binged most of the First Doctor and watched some of the Third. Pertwee’s episodes all looked perfect so the crappy Hartnell ones are just a legacy of the master tapes being binned in the 60s. Good to know. Sounds like they probably are using the upscaled episodes, where they have them. I assume they are doing the upscaling from easiest to hardest to do, with the early stuff being so incomplete and in a bit of a mess that they are avoiding them for as long as possible. As a result, the blu ray releases have been completely random. You would think that just picking a Doctor and just working your way through them would make sense, but no they are doing the 2nd series of one, then the 3rd of another, followed by first of a different Doctor. For someone that hasn't really seen the pre-Eccleston stuff, it is a bit of pain and off-putting when you can't really get something that is "complete". Plus, being BBC releases, they are stupidly expensive. The iPlayer releases sound like they are the best way to actually get as much of a complete experience as it were, even if the quality is a bit mixed.
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Post by simple on Nov 24, 2023 11:54:37 GMT
I think the iplayer archive is everything that’s available of the first two Doctors, which is six or seven series worth with about twenty episodes in each (usually 4 or 5 serials of different lengths of between 2-6 episodes).
Then from Pertwee’s debut as the Third onwards it is a complete set with all the serials present over the next twenty series. Then the tv movie and onto the reboot.
And the two Cushing films aren’t included because they were Hammer (I think?) not the BBC so they don’t have the rights.
Most of the missing episodes and serials from the first two Doctors are because the tapes are literally physically missing although I think the actual first story (The Unearthly Child) physically exists but isn’t included for some other rights issue.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 24, 2023 12:28:34 GMT
The BBC have a somewhat chequered history when it comes to quality control and blu-ray upscaling. They claimed a six week wait period for replacement discs for the ones they'd fucked up, but it was more like six months for me, some others reported over a year.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 25, 2023 19:47:18 GMT
When you scroll down through this article, the actors faces are briefly superimposed over each other and the mashup of Tom Baker and Peter Davison is horrifying.
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Post by X201 on Nov 25, 2023 20:18:03 GMT
When you scroll down through this article, the actors faces are briefly superimposed over each other and the mashup of Tom Baker and Peter Davison is horrifying.
If you balance Smith and Capaldi correctly you can make it look like Gordon Ramsey
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Post by hicksy on Nov 25, 2023 20:33:41 GMT
Gordon Ramsey is the new doctor? Lewis Capaldi is his tuneful sidekick? F*ck*ng pass me my sonic screwdriver you numnuts?
This I would actually watch!
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 25, 2023 20:38:48 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 25, 2023 21:13:29 GMT
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Post by simple on Nov 25, 2023 22:30:25 GMT
Interesting that tonight’s special was partly an adaptation of an old Pat Mills and Dave Gibbons comic. You could see the old school British comic design dripping from the aliens too, very solid.
Fun episode. Tennant really is the definitive modern Doctor.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 25, 2023 22:41:30 GMT
As much as I complained about RTD era, it was nice to just have a fun, ludicrous romp again.
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 26, 2023 1:35:30 GMT
It was alright. Good job they covered all that pronoun stuff, heaven forbid you misgender the alien maniac trying to wipe out the universe. On the plus side, at least while he's shoehorning in the trans references, RTD will be to busy to fill the script full of the gays.
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Post by X201 on Nov 26, 2023 6:27:45 GMT
Doctor Who has always covered the politics of the day. The pronouns stuff was there as a parallel to Rose.
I enjoyed it. It was a good romp. The effects budget looks like it’s had a boost from the Disney money.
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Post by simple on Nov 26, 2023 8:28:40 GMT
The new Tardis is looking very sleek too. The final Whittaker adventures looked like their budget had been upped but this was a real step up beyond.
RTD was pretty explicit in saying they were going to make the show as progressive and inclusive as possible and anyone who didn’t like it (including the shows fanbase) can jog on on Dr Who Unleashed last night.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 26, 2023 14:08:49 GMT
Rather enjoyed the episode, not all of it worked but it was certainly a nice change after the Chibnall era not to wonder why I was watching.
As for the creators of the original strip, Pat Mills hasn't seen it (he was having to VPN to iPlayer to watch it so I'm not sure where he is and was having an issue) meanwhile Dave Gibbons was happy.
I'd have thought the BBC would have sent them copies of the show in advance but I guess not.
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Post by nazo on Nov 27, 2023 8:04:22 GMT
I enjoyed it apart from the scenes with The Meep which I found annoying af.
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Post by zisssou on Nov 27, 2023 11:33:19 GMT
I never really understood the Doctor and his attachment for companions, as he outlives them all, so him becoming close to them never really made any sense. That's why for me when Doctor Who got rebooted, that Ecclestone felt a bit stand-offish. Anyway you know what you're getting with RTD, and there will be plenty of tugging at heartstrings etc, but he does know how to make interesting alien stories.
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Post by Saul1138 on Nov 27, 2023 11:37:36 GMT
I didn’t think it was any better than okay. It didn’t feel special, despite the obvious budget increase. If it was a standalone episode in a thirteen part series, it would have been acceptable. But as the start of the sixtieth anniversary celebration, it felt distinctly average.
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Post by simple on Nov 27, 2023 11:46:57 GMT
I think in-universe the principle companions have served different purposes.
Initially Susan is his grandaughter and when she leaves Hartnell goes through a string of obvious Susan substitutes who he wants to show the universe.
I think through the 70s and 80s you then get a series of more confident women who are scientists or other types of experts who challenge and support the Doctor to up his game.
Its only the tv movie for the American market that one becomes a love interest.
I think canonically its probably just because he/she gets lonely after losing Susan. In production terms it was probably just an excuse to cast attractive women.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 27, 2023 16:04:25 GMT
Unless someone has a Galapagos turtle everyone is pretty likely going to outlive any animal companions too but it doesn't stop people having them.
I don't think the Doctor is that callous in thinking they're effectively pets, he's not Omniman, but they keep them sane and grounded.
Except Adric, the Doctor was probably happy to see the back of that prick.
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Post by simple on Nov 28, 2023 23:18:43 GMT
First Doctor iPlayer archive completed.
A bit of a mixed bag as you’d expect. Some very dated stories and special effects but also some surprisingly sophisticated stuff too.
My favourite serials were any Dalek story, Time Meddler, Space Museum, Ark, War Machines and the Tenth Planet. The last two in particular were really smart in balancing sci-fi action and contemporary themes (Cold War, computing etc) even if the War Machines themselves looked truly shite and unthreatening. The Daleks are the Daleks and its remarkable how fully formed they were from the very start and across each of their serials. The other three all have actual fun or twists around the nature of time travel beyond being an excuse to change location every story.
War Machines and Tenth Planet are both very modern stories that you could tell in any era of the show. A lot of the others fall into either “companion is captures” or “Doctor is trapped in a cave”, very often both.
Its a shame there are so many gaps caused by missing serials and episodes. I can understand keeling something mostly complete and important like The Chase in but some others where only one or two episodes survive could probably have been parked somewhere outside the main streaming series. The black and white animated episode look pretty good but the colour ones look distractingly like Archer.
I’d only seen a few Hartnells so most of this was new to me. Its interesting to see how he develops from existing mostly beside rather than central to the stories at the start to being the hero toward the end of his run. The companions change fairly regularly but for the most part fill archetype roles so closely that they’re virtually recastings.
Well worth watching the best of these and not just as historic curios. Plus you can marvel at how Hartnell at the start is only two or three years older than Tennant is now.
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Post by X201 on Nov 29, 2023 10:26:14 GMT
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 29, 2023 10:50:39 GMT
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