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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 15, 2024 23:20:28 GMT
Cheeky bleeders While I agree with everything that's been said, I haven't come up against anything I couldn't reasonably deal with so far. I can see it going too far the other way though. I would like them to remember people like to solo these games unassisted. I just can't imagine enjoying myself with summons
Also, I don't know why but, despite loving parrying and doing it in other games, I never bother with it in the souls games (or ER). BB, Sekiro - even LotF - love it. Maybe because the game isn't necessarily designed around it, I expect there to be a significant number of attacks that can't be parried anyway. Can you parry bosses?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 15, 2024 23:23:49 GMT
/Enjoys life thoroughly playing with summons
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 15, 2024 23:28:43 GMT
You can parry bosses yes. There's quite a fair few parrying the final DLC boss obviously wearing no armour.
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Post by RadicalRex on Jul 16, 2024 0:42:30 GMT
Some bosses can be parried, but even so not all their attacks. It even differs with attacks from the same weapon, so have fun finding out which work through trial and error. And since that's still not enough, most bosses don't go down from 1 parry, no, you must parry them 2 or 3 times in a row to get 1 riposte. It's usually much easier and safer (and more damaging) to just stance break them instead.
Parry timing in Elden Ring is awkward and precise, nothing like Sekiro. The Deflecting Hardtear physick from the DLC actually is much closer to that game's deflection. And if you try to parry everything, you're going to painfully realise that even most basic enemies' attacks are that stupidly delayed nonsense. It's a nightmare for parrying. Dodging too early may still save you from getting hurt, mistiming a parry is guaranteed damage.
So yeah, there are lots of reasons to dislike parrying unless you're an expert player and/or want to do a challenge run.
There are some enemies, most notably the knight types (it is worth trying when struggling against the Crucible Knight in the Limgrave Evergaol), against which parrying is pretty good. But for the great majority of enemies and bosses, you'll just make your life harder.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 1:19:19 GMT
Finally found Moggy. I was getting concerned as the crumbly area seems like the end or very close to it and I hadn't seen several key bosses yet. Thought I might have missed loads of stuff somehow (but it was just a case of using the other medallion on the lift that I'd had for a while). His first phase is pretty straightforward, then he takes a load of your estus for the sake of it, the joker
Thought I'd find Blaidd here though. Not sure what happened to him. Last I heard from him was a message saying something about a traitor being taken care of (the wizard?). I thought he was after Mog. I wanted his armour too
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Post by RadicalRex on Jul 16, 2024 1:35:01 GMT
Mohg's Nihil can be countered with a physick dropped by Eleonora in Altus Plateau. There's also a shackle for Mohg like there is for Margit, found in the Leyndell sewer area near a lobster. To find Blaidd again, continue Ranni's questline. For his armour, same thing. A Blaidd mask is near Seluvis.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 1:40:21 GMT
I've already finished Ranni's questline, unless you mean right to the very end
Think I already got the shackle from the first time I fought Mog as well
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Post by RadicalRex on Jul 16, 2024 1:42:29 GMT
Maybe pay Ranni's Rise another visit then
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 5:01:08 GMT
What's happened there is that as soon as you mentioned the physick, before clicking on the spoiler, I remembered picking it up ages ago. But as I didn't remember it myself, I'm not allowed to use it for the fight Is the shackle one use? I thought it'd be automatic or a talisman I did find Blaidd at Ranni's Rise and nabbed the armour and mask. Great! I doubt I'd have ever gone back there again
His first phase is so easy, then there's just a lot of blood
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 16, 2024 7:18:24 GMT
It can be used twice, but only during the first phase. I guess if you time using it right at the end of the phase you could drop his health quite a bit beyond the trigger for the second phase. As you say though, the first phase is pretty straightforward, so I personally didn't find it helped that much.
If you are using a bleed weapon or abilities, those are surprisingly effective against him. I found the best thing to do was to really rush him down in the second phase, before he would start flying around the place and be impossible to get hits on. With my regular DPS, as well as bleed proccing once, I was able to pretty much kill him, bar 2 or 3 hits, before he got off the ground. I was using the mimic though, so you might need to take a more cautious approach.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 7:48:23 GMT
Oh I'll get him. Only had a couple of attempts so far. It's a fun fight at the moment
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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 16, 2024 8:46:45 GMT
Sorry to bang on about Shadow Keep, but dang. I must have cleared it top to bottom 3 times, each time finding new stuff, and only on the last time have a found a way to the attic, and the rear grace sites, and somehow I missed that you could drain the water! Great stuff.
From memory it seems bigger than Stormveil Castle, but probably recency bias.
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 16, 2024 9:21:20 GMT
The game is too big for sure. In dark souls etc I found most things myself but every area has so many secrets I’ve spent most of my game time this week just using google to find certain items and armour I needed for my lightening ng+ run I’m about to do. Most items are some random jump over a balcony to a tiny ledge below in a catacomb somewhere.
Pretty much done now though. I’ve got my lightening talisman, my incarnation talisman, the death knight armour set that buff lightening and most of the best dragon cult lightening spells with the lightening axe that the l2 basically makes you Thor. I went to the area just before maliketh to see what damage I was now doing to the dragon I skipped there. Erm I one shotted it with my dragon storm spell under its belly.
I also can now wreck bayle for players when I’m summoned. If most of the storm hits him I’m doing around 13k damage. It’s a bit hit and miss but it’s usually 5k minimum. Also that ancient dragon spear move that the red lightening dragons do wreck groups, I can now just run into the middle and just jump in the air and slam those spears into the ground.
So so satisfying. Shame I had to spend ages on wiki to trek around and find it all as I’d never have made this on my own. I was missed about 2/3 of what I needed.
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 16, 2024 9:23:03 GMT
Sorry to bang on about Shadow Keep, but dang. I must have cleared it top to bottom 3 times, each time finding new stuff, and only on the last time have a found a way to the attic, and the rear grace sites, and somehow I missed that you could drain the water! Great stuff. From memory it seems bigger than Stormveil Castle, but probably recency bias. Shadow keep is indeed awesome but I think stormveil is peak elden ring.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 10:38:34 GMT
Are the shackles used up after or do you get to use them again after using a site of grace? Never found the Margit one. What does it actually do? Mog never leaves the ground during the first phase I beat him anyway. Thought it was a good fight Got Maliketh who is a beast and Haligtree to do next. I've only fallen off the tree 50 times so far so it's going well
Oh and I'm DLC ready \o/
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 16, 2024 10:41:55 GMT
Are the shackles used up after or do you get to use them again after using a site of grace? Never found the Margit one. What does it actually do? Mog never leaves the ground during the first phase I beat him anyway. Thought it was a good fight Got Maliketh who is a beast and Haligtree to do next. I've only fallen off the tree 50 times so far so it's going well
Oh and I'm DLC ready \o/
It can be used again and it basically just slams them into the ground and holds them there for maybe 5 seconds. So twice you get some free damage.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 16, 2024 10:43:10 GMT
They can be used as much as you want. It just only effects him twice during a fight.
It's a bit like the music box in the Father Gascoigne fight in Bloodborne. It just stuns him for a few seconds.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 10:43:26 GMT
Oh, I thought it'd stop him using flying attacks. I wouldn't have used it anyway
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 10:59:15 GMT
RadicalRexWhat souls style games have you played and how do you rate them? Did you buy a PS4 for DeS and BB? Dark Souls 2 is good, isn't it. Best one
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Post by RadicalRex on Jul 16, 2024 11:38:33 GMT
Only finished the DS trilogy, which if we want to use ratings, were like 7, 6, and 8/10 for me. Well I also finished Tunic if that counts, 5/10. Tried to get into DeS (have it on PS3) but that game is just so weird and after 17 hours it was still a constant mystery what to do and how to play the game, and I wasn't really having fun, so eventually abandoned it. Didn't like Nioh and Another Crab's Treasure, abandoned them early.
I'm not much of a Souls player I suppose, I just like Elden Ring and the DS trilogy to a lesser extent.
As for other From games, tried once to get into Sekiro, trying again recently, not sure when and if it'll ever click. Also got Armored Core 6 even though I'm not usually interested in mech games, but thought maybe From could change that. It didn't. Haven't played BB because I don't have a PS4/5.
DS2 is my least favourite in the trilogy, but I think it is unfairly thrashed. Well, some of it is justified (like some of those runbacks, I mean seriously wtf), but I feel like it's being treated like the ugly duckling from a different father to deflect criticism away from the other games. For example, there's a ton of videos showing some terrible hit detection that are titled "lol DS2 amirite" or something, but when Elden Ring does the same, almost nobody says anything.
I found DS2 pretty frustrating at times, and often it very much felt like it was blatantly being frustrating just for the sake of it, but I definitely also had a good time with the good parts. As in, the good parts were enough that I'm glad I played through, but the bad parts were enough that I probably won't play through again.
edit: although truth be told, as ER bosses are getting ever more absurdly OTT, sometimes I feel like I want to play DS2 again. Sometimes I'm so tired of everything exploding all the time I'd rather just have a big guy with a big bonk please...
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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 16, 2024 13:48:07 GMT
We all want a big guy with a big bonk sometimes.
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 16, 2024 14:00:32 GMT
I missed more than I thought it the main game as I’m still in ng getting stuff. Got the last two upgrades for my flask in areas I thought I’d done but turns out not. That includes finding another hero grave area, a dragon boss, a black assassin boss and one other boss. Oh and an erdtree boss that dropped three tears including one to boost my lightening.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 16, 2024 16:25:23 GMT
I've just looked up how to get to the second finger ruins in the DLC. Classic FromSoft. I'm a bit annoyed with myself for looking it up because I knew that was the spot, but don't think I would have done the thing.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 17:13:28 GMT
Only finished the DS trilogy, which if we want to use ratings, were like 7, 6, and 8/10 for me. Well I also finished Tunic if that counts, 5/10. Tried to get into DeS (have it on PS3) but that game is just so weird and after 17 hours it was still a constant mystery what to do and how to play the game, and I wasn't really having fun, so eventually abandoned it. Didn't like Nioh and Another Crab's Treasure, abandoned them early. I'm not much of a Souls player I suppose, I just like Elden Ring and the DS trilogy to a lesser extent. As for other From games, tried once to get into Sekiro, trying again recently, not sure when and if it'll ever click. Also got Armored Core 6 even though I'm not usually interested in mech games, but thought maybe From could change that. It didn't. Haven't played BB because I don't have a PS4/5. DS2 is my least favourite in the trilogy, but I think it is unfairly thrashed. Well, some of it is justified (like some of those runbacks, I mean seriously wtf), but I feel like it's being treated like the ugly duckling from a different father to deflect criticism away from the other games. For example, there's a ton of videos showing some terrible hit detection that are titled "lol DS2 amirite" or something, but when Elden Ring does the same, almost nobody says anything. I found DS2 pretty frustrating at times, and often it very much felt like it was blatantly being frustrating just for the sake of it, but I definitely also had a good time with the good parts. As in, the good parts were enough that I'm glad I played through, but the bad parts were enough that I probably won't play through again. edit: although truth be told, as ER bosses are getting ever more absurdly OTT, sometimes I feel like I want to play DS2 again. Sometimes I'm so tired of everything exploding all the time I'd rather just have a big guy with a big bonk please... DS2 > DS3 > DS1 for me
DS2 is the best for so many reasons, which have already been documented several times by cool people who know what they're talking about. But for one example, powerstancing Zwei handers
Hopefully you get an opportunity to play BB at some point. It's an amazing game
Speaking of criticism and the 'it's never the game's fault' crowd. Weapons are suppose to bounce off walls - fatty's too long sword goes straight through the environment (without destroying it) every single time he does a thrust attack during the Godskin Duo fight. From really do get a free pass for a lot of stuff
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 16, 2024 18:34:01 GMT
Ds2 is way behind all the others and the main reason for me is the world/map. So disjointed and messy compared to all of their other games.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 18:52:02 GMT
It basically just has 4 different paths to follow from your starting point. The areas probably feel the most like 'levels' than any of the other games as they aren't always connected in a way that makes sense. It's the most linear but I don't mind it. It has some great locations and a lot of nice little ideas that you don't find in any of the others
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Post by Duffking on Jul 16, 2024 19:54:48 GMT
For me most of the levels feel like half explored ideas. I don't think they're much shorter than the ones in DS1, but the disjointedness really emphasises it. Also has a ton of absolutely nothing boss fights, and the fact that they want you to be able to do the first 4 areas in basically any order throws the difficulty balance out of whack once you've beaten any of those paths.
It finds its footing once it goes linear toward the end. Incidentally, when it goes less linear is when DS1 goes off the rails.
Shockingly given the above, ER is my least favourite Souls.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Jul 16, 2024 21:23:33 GMT
Yeah, it's an ideas game and that's what I like about it. It feels like it has the most secrets/things to discover of all the games. After you've played any of them a couple of times, difficulty isn't really an issue and it's easy enough to progress all paths at the same time by switching between them as you go
It's the only one that changes the game for NG+ as well, which is something that should have become standard
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 16, 2024 23:12:44 GMT
Also the selective NG+ with the Bonfire Ascetics, which combos very well with the meaningful NG+ changes, letting you experience whichever aspects of it you want without necessarily jacking up the difficulty everywhere.
It did have some dud ideas too (limited enemy respawns in a game with many random drops and potential need for grinding being one of them), but still. And even that one got fixed with the Covenant of Champions, so...
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Post by Duffking on Jul 16, 2024 23:54:42 GMT
I wish there was a different style of NG+ in these games - keep all your weapons, equipment, spell slots, spells etc, but everything else resets back to normal - you to base SL, enemies keep their normal health pools etc. Always found NG+ kinda unsatisfying with how it scales. I'd rather just start over but able to use any weapon from the start.
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