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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 17:50:57 GMT
Great looking boss but the execution was arse. I just equipped that new thorns spell and spammed it at him.
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Post by peacemaker on Jun 26, 2024 17:55:00 GMT
You lot are way more sensible than me. Most of you seem to lose to a boss then look through your inventory and see what might work against it. I just keep using the same weapon until I eventually win an hour later.
I’ve since respec 4 times but nothing seems as powerful as my main blood build.
Are you meant to level your faith thing to +10.
I had so many somber stones but trying different builds has run them dry.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 26, 2024 18:00:01 GMT
I actually went in on Mogwyns Spear yesterday for that exact reason. I was getting outpoked by literally everything. I’m genuinely taken aback by how much easier this has made it |
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Post by quadfather on Jun 26, 2024 18:06:06 GMT
quadfather Fun fact: prior to DS1 I wouldn't touch an RPG with a ten-foot pole. I always thought stats and numbers in gaming were tedious, had enough of them in RL, why bring them in my hobby etc. I'd see friends glamouring over Ultima or Baldur's Gate or Civ (not an RPG but stat heavy in my eyes) and I'd steer away. I was like, give me an FPS and I'm in heaven... And yet, here we are  |
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Post by quadfather on Jun 26, 2024 18:08:44 GMT
Yeah, the shared experience was amazing as we were all uncovering stuff and helping each other. I remember there was this flail that I found.. This happened *massively* with dark souls 1. Demons was too hidden away to get the attention, but ds1- everyone went mental |
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 18:10:17 GMT
Using a shield with it Nick?
@quaddy it's one of the best things about playing them. That's why I always try and play them at launch.
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Post by RadicalRex on Jun 26, 2024 18:42:42 GMT
I also think Souls games are wildly uneven, you'll find some of the best game design in the world in them, but also some of the worst. Elden Ring is at times the best game ever and at others it's godawful. Thankfully the bad parts are usually outweighed by the good ones, but they're still too much for me to ignore and not taint the overall experience, maybe that's down to personal bullshit tolerance of which I don't seem to have a lot.
In my initial review after 2 playthroughs I gave ER 8.5/10, and surprisingly that still holds after a dozen. It's one of my favourite games of all time in the good parts, but it is very much not in the bad ones. I've thought about this before and asked myself how it compared to Skyrim, and perhaps controversially I think that overall Skyrim is the better game. It's never as good as ER often gets, but it's also never remotely as bad as ER often gets. If I'm in the mood to enjoy Skyrim for what it is, it'll just let me have a good time and doesn't force me through stinking sewers between the good parts. And I do appreciate that a lot.
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 18:54:11 GMT
Yeah but the combat in Skyrim is bloody awful, so much so that I find it really immersion breaking.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 26, 2024 19:11:56 GMT
I don't know how you could really compare the games they are very different games. Sure they're fantasy RPGs but they have fundamentally different mechanics and gameplay loops. Odd.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 26, 2024 19:34:29 GMT
Skyrim is a weird fucker.
It can be mental or an absolute comfort zone depending on your class and playstyle.
I can kinda understand the comparison, but I think it's probably more down to what you like.
I don't compare games though as I find it daft but ymmv
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 26, 2024 19:42:27 GMT
I don't know how you could really compare the games they are very different games. Sure they're fantasy RPGs but they have fundamentally different mechanics and gameplay loops. Odd. Sounded like purely from personal enjoyment, which is fair. I don't find comparing games like for like or even scoring them useful at all. Either I like a game or I don't- beyond that, I don't see the point in reducing my entire experience with something down to a number; adding a point because I liked this bit and taking one away because this other was a bit annoying. My opinions aren't going to be audited, so I don't need a record of I thought this game was a bit better than this one but worse than this one. There's always parts of games I enjoy more than others but it ultimately comes down to feeling like I'm glad I played something
That said, I don't think I can enjoy Bethesda games since playing Cyberpunk. Their games were good because no one else offered a similar experiece. They just seem so shit now. From are easily way out ahead of any other games in a genre they created themselves
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 20:05:55 GMT
Fucking hell, just watched someone absolutely rinse Messmer inside 40 seconds. Took about 4 hits, that will be getting patched out fairly soon! Video for anyone that wants to have a look, obviously spoilers if you havent seen that fight. youtu.be/wMrK5MqjUaE?si=mgUyXC-2mOU5TvWF |
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Post by wunty on Jun 26, 2024 20:08:14 GMT
Yeah, the shared experience was amazing as we were all uncovering stuff and helping each other. I remember there was this flail that I found.. Oh I know the one, Wunty's Flail is it called? That's the very one. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Jun 26, 2024 20:20:24 GMT
I don't know how you could really compare the games they are very different games. Sure they're fantasy RPGs but they have fundamentally different mechanics and gameplay loops. Odd. I didn't intend to make a face-off within a genre, I was trying to evaluate how much unevenness/bad parts impact my overall enjoyment of a game, and Skyrim makes an interesting contrast because it's so samey it's pretty much the opposite of Elden Ring in this regard. It was meant to be less like "which one's the better action RPG" and more like "which experience do I find more enjoyable overall" with a particular focus on the evenness aspect. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 26, 2024 20:27:41 GMT
So, since I mentioned it this morning, the Dryleaf Arts punched the shit out of all of Belurat last night (well, almost all. These hands are rated E for Everyone, but they do know when to grab a catalyst  ), and I made it to (boss talk) Divine Beast Dancing Lion. And... Oh boy. I have to say, I know that I might be in the minority here, and I do fully understand that going solo it would probably be a nightmare to fight... But I LOVED that boss! The soundtrack, the presentation, the way it moves, its attacks, the whole spectacle was just incredible! And the way it changes elements in its second phase in accordance to the musical cues, like a real Lion Dance, just... Amazing boss, to the point I was almost surprised it's in a Souls game, its movements and relentless attacks felt much more like something you'd see in a Wo Long for instance! Video as promised: www.xbox.com/el-GR/play/media/wuWLtR4G7A (and, while it's not actually shown -rassafrassin' three minute limit- this was actually my first go! Probably why I didn't have the time to start disliking it And DadFE didn't have Freyja to help, but he got it second go  ) |
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 26, 2024 20:29:18 GMT
Oh I know the one, Wunty's Flail is it called? That's the very one. Oh, now that you mention it, the boss I'm talking about above gives you an improved version of ye olde Hoarfrost Stomp as one of its Remembrance rewards! |
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Post by Duffking on Jun 26, 2024 20:30:41 GMT
Messmer...what the in the ever loving fuck was that fight. Took 3 goes and I was just baffled by it. It was just 1 minute of him doing endless moves and me getting 1 second of opening. Then a second phase where lock on is not advised. Not a great one lads.p I am enjoying it but it really can't help but get in the way of itself. With the benefit of hindsight I actually really liked this fight. It's got some dumb stuff and that speaks to the problem of this game, which is that if the other games had attacks as damaging as these they'd probably also be annoying as shit (but still less obnoxious). But still, it took me like an hour pure solo and had a good curve of me gradually getting more and more of his moves down until I had him. Unlike a certain first major boss I fought which was just a fucking mess. And even the second tbh. |
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 20:34:33 GMT
It's a great boss to watch, a really good idea but I just didn't love the implementation. I get that quite a bit with the expansion bosses, creatively they are mostly top tier.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 26, 2024 20:37:08 GMT
It's a great boss to watch, a really good idea but I just didn't love the implementation. I get that quite a bit with the expansion bosses, creatively they are mostly top tier. You could even say it's... Messmerizing /coat |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 26, 2024 20:41:18 GMT
I feel like the standout boss for me is Rellana. Her and Messmer I think will be seen as the poster children for this game being called difficult.
I'll tell you what though since the calibration I've already noticed that I'm doing better. I feel like I would have struggled with Messmer before the damage calibration. I even took down a bloomin fire golem.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 26, 2024 20:47:04 GMT
Using a shield with it Nick? No, two handing it |
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 20:55:51 GMT
There is worse coming Jambo!
Fair play Nick, I've only ever used spears from behind a shield as you can poke whilst being fully protected.
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Post by peacemaker on Jun 26, 2024 20:59:44 GMT
There is worse coming Jambo! Fair play Nick, I've only ever used spears from behind a shield as you can poke whilst being fully protected. WHAT!? I just googled this and I never knew this and I’ve played their games god knows how many times! Surely then I can just kill every boss with ease with my great shield and Havel type armour? |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 26, 2024 21:03:41 GMT
Ease is a stretch but it is pretty useful. I prefer the two hand moveset better and the block is ok, tho
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 21:04:06 GMT
Correct. For physical damage anyway, magic will still hurt to a degree as will physical attacks that are deemed to go round the shield. The alburniacs or whatever they are called when they do their spiky roll for example.
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Post by peacemaker on Jun 26, 2024 21:07:54 GMT
Correct. For physical damage anyway, magic will still hurt to a degree as will physical attacks that are deemed to go round the shield. The alburniacs or whatever they are called when they do their spiky roll for example. I’m all over this tomorrow! I’ve got +3 magic and non physical damage talismans and my armour and great shield have high damage protection. Any particular ones recommended to level up? I’ve got mohgs +10 already but how about normal ones to make +25 as I’m very low on sober stones but have tonnes of normal stones. |
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Post by stixxuk on Jun 26, 2024 21:08:41 GMT
So I completed the base game, including I think all the bosses (Malenia, the dragon I can't remember the name of, mohg etc)
And I've beaten the old hunters (with the 2 shark bastards)... And Artorias back in the day on Dark Souls 1.
Am I still going to get whupped by Shadow of the Erdtree? Was looking forward to it but all the talk of how ridiculously hard it is has genuinely put me off.
Is it the hardest Fromsoft content ever?
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2024 21:11:34 GMT
Stones should be available at the keep from the crones you give the bells to. Moghs spear is supposed to be awesome even after the nerf but I haven't tried it. apparently the heavy thrusting swords works as well. You can also put the no skill weapon art on the greatshield to allow you to use a weapon art from your weapon of choice.
Stixx you will still enjoy it, there is just a bit more annoying stuff than usual. The balancing patch today seems to have helped a bit too.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 26, 2024 21:28:11 GMT
Am I still going to get whupped by Shadow of the Erdtree? Was looking forward to it but all the talk of how ridiculously hard it is has genuinely put me off. Is it the hardest Fromsoft content ever? Its probably the hardest from the jump but I think the initial reactions were mainly because most people who got in there early and didn’t know what they were doing. If you spend a bit of time grinding a few scudtree levels, it will be fine. If you can finish the main campaign I don’t think there is much here you couldn’t eventually handle (that I’ve seen so far) |
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Post by peacemaker on Jun 26, 2024 21:29:16 GMT
So I completed the base game, including I think all the bosses (Malenia, the dragon I can't remember the name of, mohg etc) And I've beaten the old hunters (with the 2 shark bastards)... And Artorias back in the day on Dark Souls 1. Am I still going to get whupped by Shadow of the Erdtree? Was looking forward to it but all the talk of how ridiculously hard it is has genuinely put me off. Is it the hardest Fromsoft content ever? No close. Bb the old hunters was way harder. |
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