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Post by JuniorFE on May 12, 2024 12:44:40 GMT
Wizzard_Ook How much Faith do you have? If you can swing a Holy resistance spell (Lord's Divine Fortification works best, but I don't think it's the only one) it'll cut down on a lot of the pain Alternatively, the Opaline Hardtear will give a boost to all damage resistances for 3 minutes when mixed into your Physick, the Haligtree Crest Greatshield has almost 100% Holy block when upgraded and Sacred and the various Drake Talismans can also reduce the appropriate elemental damage Then there's stuff like Boiled Crab for physical defense, but it sounds like physical attacks aren't what's getting you here, so... Yeah, I don't have much holy resistance stuff equipment, I need to go back and have a look around for some stuff. Been running a quality build so everything has pretty much gone into str/dex/vigor. Thanks for the tips, appreciated Hey, if we could manage to beat it by blowing Holy bubbles with a trumpet into its 80% Holy resist you can definitely do it too!
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Post by RadicalRex on May 12, 2024 15:16:06 GMT
After 1 and a 95% playthroughs, finally put down Maliketh. At first I struggled with him but went away and discovered lake rot ( completely missed this area first time round, nice to see the conclusion to a certain npc quest line). Gained a few levels and found the stuff to upgrade some spirit summons including mimic to 10. Came back and put him down first time. Kinda of highlights how the open world gives the game a balance problem. Didn’t feel that much satisfaction putting him down. Felt like it swung from being impossible to being fairly simple. I think in the case of Maliketh RNG/luck is also playing a big role, more so than in any other fight I can think of right now. On my first PT I was also using mimic tear, and usually he destroyed that in 5 seconds and then me in another 5. Until one time, he somehow took much longer sitting in front of it and it was an easy win as I was just hacking away at his butt. If he plays nice he can be fairly easy, but if he doesn't he can just curbstomp you in 3 seconds. Even on repeat PTs, this is the one boss where after beating him I often feel like I just got lucky.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on May 14, 2024 17:40:49 GMT
And it’s done! Finally. Don’t think a souls boss has given me as much grief as elden beast did. It’s an odd one as it didn’t think at anytime it was difficult, just that any mistake gets punished severely.
Got a few bosses left to do so will do them, Doubt I have the patience to do a platinum run though (got ranni by the way).
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Post by RadicalRex on May 16, 2024 13:48:45 GMT
Oh my God! Fuck Godskin Duo. And fuck this game. Literally the worst game ever
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Post by loto on May 16, 2024 14:10:54 GMT
Oh my God! Fuck Godskin Duo. And fuck this game. Literally the worst game ever They’re extremely vulnerable to sleep, so make yourself some sleep pots and go to town on one at a time. You’ll need the recipe, think it’s in a graveyard near mistwood, some cracked pots, Trina’s lily & mushrooms. Trust me, you got this.
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Post by RadicalRex on May 16, 2024 14:18:32 GMT
I know, but the rules of this playthrough don't allow pots (nor the sleep arrow summon--I tried St Trinas sword, but that's pretty useless here because in the time you make them sleep you'd have almost killed them with another weapon). I've tried other legal options but it's no use, I'll have to bash my head against the wall until it breaks. I know I can do it because once I had them down to 20% already, but I swear I'm in literal hell right now
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Post by jeepers on May 16, 2024 14:27:06 GMT
Just arrived at Melania - five goes and got her down to her last 10% of her second phase twice. Got greedy each time and fucked it.
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Post by rawshark on May 16, 2024 14:33:15 GMT
I make that mistake every time on every bastard boss in the game.
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Post by JonFE on May 16, 2024 15:21:28 GMT
I make that mistake every time on every bastard boss in the game. We all make that mistake every time on every bastard boss in these games.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on May 16, 2024 15:26:32 GMT
Yep, absolutely par for the course, that Deerhunter Walken instinct...just one shot...one shot...one shot....
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Post by RadicalRex on May 17, 2024 1:08:27 GMT
omg I did it. Finally I got that fucking bell bearing that I longed for so much to fully upgrade my weapons. It was so close yet so far. It's cruel by Fromsoft to put that item right behind Godskin Duo, I really could have used it right before.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on May 20, 2024 9:58:13 GMT
Melenia is something huh. Beat her first phase a couple of times but that’s it. Probably been discussed to death already, but that ‘water fowl’ move is a little harsh. Actually it’s straight up bullshit. A shame really as it’s a really interesting fight with her taking life back on hits. Makes for an interesting dynamic, a tug of war between the player and boss. Honestly that’s enough to make it a great fight. Even an all time classic. But feels a little futile and infuriating at the moment. It’s kind of symptomatic of from software recently where they probably go a step to far in making bosses a step or two too hard when they have something pretty great anyway.
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Post by jeepers on May 20, 2024 10:08:26 GMT
I’m getting more pissed with the putrified tree thing nearby. I need to kill it to get Millicent’s quest done but no mimic tear + puddle of rot + getting walloped of the floating island can go fuck itself.
Someone tell me there’s an Allow Summons statue nearby?
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Post by Danno on May 20, 2024 11:08:31 GMT
Spawn it, leg it back to the roots at the entrance, let fly with several hundred arrows. It's cheap, but so is he.
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Post by RadicalRex on May 20, 2024 15:44:52 GMT
Melenia is something huh. Beat her first phase a couple of times but that’s it. Probably been discussed to death already, but that ‘water fowl’ move is a little harsh. Actually it’s straight up bullshit. A shame really as it’s a really interesting fight with her taking life back on hits. Makes for an interesting dynamic, a tug of war between the player and boss. Honestly that’s enough to make it a great fight. Even an all time classic. But feels a little futile and infuriating at the moment. It’s kind of symptomatic of from software recently where they probably go a step to far in making bosses a step or two too hard when they have something pretty great anyway. Yeah, even after learning how to deal with it I still think it's a bullshit move that should have been nerfed. If waterfowl was just a little more reasonable, Malenia would have been an S-tier boss fight. Similar with Mogh, it would've been a great fight but it's ruined by him filling half the arena with bloodflame in phase 2. That's not the kind of difficulty that makes an interesting challenge, it just sucks. Or take the Tree Spirit fight jeepers just mentioned. What's new in Elden Ring is that bosses are reused over and over again, and to increase the difficulty they just put them in increasingly awkward places with less room to maneuver, which just makes them even less fun. They also do this with Magma Wyrm, Dragonkin Soldier, Fallingstar Beast. Astel 2 just takes Astel 1's most bullshit move and makes it more bullshitty. Hooray game design. And then there are those duo fights where they just take a boss that was designed for a 1-on-1 fight and make it 2 of 'em, which is classic DS2 BS that you usually wouldn't see in DS1 or 3, where duo bosses were designed specifically for the duo fight. And the list doesn't end there, I also don't like how ER has a general tendency to increase boss difficulty by making their moveset more counter-intuitive with all those delayed attacks and such. Yeah, it's harder than DS3's more intuitive and reactive designs, but I don't think it's more fun, quite the contrary. I hoped my appreciation of most boss fights would rise once I fought and understood them more, but actually it's the opposite, most just keep going lower every time I encounter them. I was a little harsh in my DS3 review, I still prefer Elden Ring in almost every way, but when it comes to boss fights DS3 wins and it's not even close.
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Post by loto on May 21, 2024 10:48:04 GMT
@wizzard_Ook - it’s a hard fight, that can feel blatantly unfair at times. It asks a lot of the player and you want to make sure you go in prepared- good talismans that stack if possible, the heaviest armour you can wear and obvs the best weapon. A+10 mimic helps; some of the summons are lousy against her and just act as a health bank, so choose carefully
For waterfowl - it’s possible to dodge all of it, I did it once; but as long as you’re not chewing all of it, then you should be good. It’s a patience fight and easily one of my favourite of From’s bosses.
You get nowhere time and again. You get to phase 2 and die even more and then it starts to click and you get her close, get greedy & punished. And then that one time….
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Post by JuniorFE on May 21, 2024 11:06:20 GMT
Wizzard_Ook For all of Malenia's undeniable difficulty, she has an Achilles heel: her poise is less than you'd expect. A lot of weapons, especially doubled up with a competent summon like Mimic Tear, can make her stumble reasonably often and even stunlock her if you do it properly (admittedly I went in heavily prepared because even being essentially blind to who she was and what she did I was expecting a butchering, but my Rivers of Blood and Mimic dealt mucho damage and stuns, for example, and even the weapon you use to fight Rykard is a very effective choice and has no stat requirements) As for avoiding her attacks (blocking isn't recommended if you can do without, since she still regains health AFAIK), while her range is deceptively long, the more dangerous ones can mostly be dealt with by running away (the big flower attack she opens phase 2 with and the attack where multiple clones rush you come to mind, and for the flower breaking your lock-on might help too) and even Waterfowl Dance can be mostly dodged if you GTFO quickly enough when you see her preparing it (easier said than done in the heat of battle obviously, and it does change direction -it has three "phases" to it- but it can be done) And for a few offensive hints beyond "be aggressive on her poise", if you have spell options she's open for business while recovering from the flower attack (be careful not to get too close too early though) and if you can time it correctly, inflicting a status ailment on her (frostbite with thrown pots is probably the easiest) should knock her out of attacks she takes to the air to prepare for unless they changed something (most notably Waterfowl Dance and I think also the flower attack, but she's pretty high up for that) The important part is to not give up. If I could somehow manage her first try (still probably my greatest Soulslike achievement even after the Niohs, even accounting for my overpreparedness) you can definitely get her
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Post by Danno on May 21, 2024 12:09:23 GMT
Story trailer incoming
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Post by JuniorFE on May 21, 2024 15:04:19 GMT
Short, sweet, and incomprehensible. Just how I like'em!
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Post by JonFE on May 21, 2024 15:04:46 GMT
Fisting?!? Have I downloaded the wrong Elden Ring DLC trailer?
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Post by loto on May 21, 2024 15:23:07 GMT
No, fists will be a viable err weapon in it. 😂
Looks like the massive skeleton dogs from Tomb of the Giants are back
Which is nice
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Post by Dgzter on May 21, 2024 16:02:10 GMT
Honestly cannot wait, man. So stoked! An exceptional game.
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Post by jeepers on May 21, 2024 16:54:38 GMT
I cheesed the putrid tree thing in Halligtree with Swarm of Flies and then completed Millicent’s quest - finally!
Now back to knacking Melania before I head to the final boss. Which I believe is Bleed resistant, the fat space tadpole.
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Post by hedben on May 21, 2024 17:20:17 GMT
Bleed resistant, but not bleedproof. I still managed to get bleed on that annoying Dumpy Diplodocus using Wild Strikes and Bloodflamed Heavy Stars
Edit- nope, I’m wrong
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Post by RadicalRex on May 21, 2024 17:31:48 GMT
Bleed resistant, but not bleed proof. I still managed to get bleed on that annoying Dumpy Diplodocus using Wild Strikes and Bloodflamed Heavy Stars Are you sure? I've looked up the wiki and a datamined resource site and they both say it's immune. I never got it to bleed either even with a double twinblade arcane build.
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Post by hedben on May 21, 2024 18:13:05 GMT
I could well be mistaken, apologies, must have misremembered
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Post by peacemaker on May 22, 2024 14:02:17 GMT
Phenomenal game and I’ll get the dlc day one but oddly I have zero excitement for it at the moment. Maybe when I get the dlc I’ll start the game again with a new character, depending when the dlc is accessed.
Historically their dlc are nails. I still have nightmares about bloodborne’s dlc.
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Post by hedben on May 22, 2024 15:04:46 GMT
I was just telling a mate at work that I never get games on day 1, except for Fromsoft games. I loved reading this thread when people were discovering how big the map was, smashing themselves against pre-nerf Radahn, hitting all the walls with “secret passage” messages in front of them and so on. Reckon I’ll be getting Ertree quite early - even though I’ll probably fall behind quite quickly because I have to explore every nook and cranny.
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Post by puddleduck on May 22, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
Phenomenal game and I’ll get the dlc day one but oddly I have zero excitement for it at the moment. Maybe when I get the dlc I’ll start the game again with a new character, depending when the dlc is accessed. Historically their dlc are nails. I still have nightmares about bloodborne’s dlc. Yeah that's exactly where I am. Also sure that once I load it up and remember how well it plays, I'll do nothing else for a month (once back from Glastonbury anyway).
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Post by Nanocrystal on May 26, 2024 10:50:15 GMT
With the DLC out in a month I'm picking up my pre-prepared ER character where I left him, 60 hours in, just outside the capital at lvl 106 having pretty much rinsed the map up to that point. Strength build, Ghiza's wheel+9, with a heavy shield and the enhanced guard counter talisman. Also a giant bow for occasional sniping. I'm coming straight off a full replay of DS3 (that only took 25 hours including both DLCs) which has obviously helped a lot with the muscle memory. Just need to get used to pressing triangle for actions, and remembering that I can jump. Love the atmosphere in the capital. That music! Guess I'm off to kill Mohg.
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