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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 12:27:07 GMT
I think I liked Sekiro precisely because of its purity. I wasn't worried about my build, I didn't have to fret that I didn't have the optimal item, or any of that. Me. My muscle memory. The bad guys. Hard as fucking nails in places (and I haven't actually finished it - parked on Owl Father on my first play through) but I got further, and enjoyed it more, than in any previous From game of the modern era. The thought of Sekiro drives me mad - such an enticing prospect, a From game, a shinobi, Sengoku etc. Gorgeous design. Perfect for me given my tastes. It's just so fucking hard though, the bosses specifically. I got - I think - almost all the way through it but gave up on True Corrupted Monk. I just couldn't get all their bars down. After 15+ attempts I gave up. I'd enjoyed much of the game, even though I hated most of the bosses, despite beating them in the end, sometimes weeping blood as part of the process. There comes a point where you have to realise you are just not, on balance, enjoying a game enough to continue and that was it for me. I was just tired of the game. I'm guessing this is what some feel with the Souls games! I never have. Perhaps using magic makes up for my general shittiness as a gamer. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 11, 2021 12:30:44 GMT
Can someone please explain how ds2 could possibly be their favourite!?  I mean it's an amazing game for me but so far behind every single other game they've made. I'm trying to think of any single area it's better in? I don't think I can. There are many great things about it but it's better in one of the other games made. I actually can't. It just is.
Actually, I can:
I think it's because it's the most "fun" for me. The fact it's easier to upgrade a whole shit ton of weapons to max, the ease with which you come by materials, the open nature of the game from the very start, the massive variety of locales (even if it means there is more shite ones too), the fact you can constantly reroll your stats and fuck about with asthetics to re-do bosses, the fact NG+ has loads more stuff in it than the other games, the engine being so crisp and resulting in characters that don't have melting wax faces. The latter part of the game being so bloody cool with the memories, the look of the Dragon Eerie / Shrine, the frankly outstanding DLC areas.
Probably a lot more that I can't recall right now.
Oh. Powerstancing.
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Post by Phattso on Nov 11, 2021 12:31:06 GMT
It's just so fucking hard though, the bosses specifically. I got - I think - almost all the way through it but gave up on True Corrupted Monk. I just couldn't get all their bars down. After 15+ attempts I gave up. 15 attempts? On the Ape I was easily 50+ by the end. :-D |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 12:32:05 GMT
Can someone please explain how ds2 could possibly be their favourite!? I mean it's an amazing game for me but so far behind every single other game they've made. I'm trying to think of any single area it's better in? I don't think I can. There are many great things about it but it's better in one of the other games made. I have been given ds3 to play on my Xbox as it's now 60fps. I don't think there isn't a build I haven't already done in 3. Not sure what to rock. Has there been any mention in these skill up previews etc of how co op works? I wonder if they've designed it so we can play the whole game pretty much co op or there will be lots of limitations on it like in some of their previous games. DS2 Scholar of the First Sin It has the most variety in locations of all From games, and just gets better as it goes on. The DLC areas are some of the best in the series. DS1 goes downhill after Anor Londo. DS3 feels quite samey throughout A lot more interacting with the environment - The windmill blades, using souls of enemies to activate doors in Dranleic Castle, shattering the ice at Eleum Loyce, restarting the machinery in Brume Tower, etc. The DLC areas almost feel like Zelda dungeons in some respects The best story. You actualy meet Vendrick, Nashandra and Aldia, plus visit the past in memories to really help connect with the world It looks the best. Stick the King's armour set and Zweihander on in DS2, and Drang armour and Zweihander in DS3, and compare. DS2 is so much more detailed and the material is actually textured. DS3 armour looks like it's made of rubber and the sword just has a blotchy metallic texture on it Feels like it has more secrets and hidden stuff than the other games Powerstancing! DS3 has some token dual wielding weapons but it's nowhere near as good I like the Adaptability stat. It gives you a way to invest stat points in a no shield/agility build. Makes sense to speed up Estus as well as if you get hit, you're likely to take more damage with lighter armour. Feels like more of an investment in the playstyle Shrine of Amana - one of my favourite From areas. The Milfs sing to keep the fish things docile so they won't attack. But carry a torch, which you'll want to so you can see your footing and not fall into the deep water, and they'll aggro. It just feels so dynamic with the environment, enemies and NPCs interacting in such a cool way Plenty more besides but I think I've made a case for it I may have missed this when you posted back when, I have a shitty memory. But this is just a great summary of its charms. |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 12:33:47 GMT
It's just so fucking hard though, the bosses specifically. I got - I think - almost all the way through it but gave up on True Corrupted Monk. I just couldn't get all their bars down. After 15+ attempts I gave up. 15 attempts? On the Ape I was easily 50+ by the end. :-D :-D I did beat the Ape in the end but, yeah, I think my count was similar to yours. It was probably at that point that the persistence vs. pleasure doubt really started to creep in. All this said, I really want to fire it up and start from the beginning now, just to see...sucker. |
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Post by malek86 on Nov 11, 2021 12:34:49 GMT
Can someone please explain how ds2 could possibly be their favourite!? I mean it's an amazing game for me but so far behind every single other game they've made. I'm trying to think of any single area it's better in? I don't think I can. There are many great things about it but it's better in one of the other games made. I have been given ds3 to play on my Xbox as it's now 60fps. I don't think there isn't a build I haven't already done in 3. Not sure what to rock. Has there been any mention in these skill up previews etc of how co op works? I wonder if they've designed it so we can play the whole game pretty much co op or there will be lots of limitations on it like in some of their previous games. Someone once said that DS1 is the better experience, while DS2 is the better game. It was kinda like that for me. DS2 is just much more convenient to play and replay, and probably the only game in the series that feels "accessible", so to speak. Unfortunately I can really only compare DS1, DS2 and BB. I can't say much about DS3 because, by the time I got around to it, I was clearly tired of the formula. I only sludged through it once, and that was it. |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 12:39:21 GMT
Can someone please explain how ds2 could possibly be their favourite!? I mean it's an amazing game for me but so far behind every single other game they've made. I'm trying to think of any single area it's better in? I don't think I can. There are many great things about it but it's better in one of the other games made. I have been given ds3 to play on my Xbox as it's now 60fps. I don't think there isn't a build I haven't already done in 3. Not sure what to rock. Has there been any mention in these skill up previews etc of how co op works? I wonder if they've designed it so we can play the whole game pretty much co op or there will be lots of limitations on it like in some of their previous games. Someone once said that DS1 is the better experience, while DS2 is the better game. It was kinda like that for me. DS2 is just much more convenient to play and replay, and probably the only game in the series that feels "accessible", so to speak. Unfortunately I can really only compare DS1, DS2 and BB. I can't say much about DS3 because, by the time I got around to it, I was clearly tired of the formula. I only sludged through it once, and that was it. While I still think DS3 is a very good game, it's easily the worst of the three for me. It feels very forgettable - familiarity breeding contempt by then, perhaps, and there's just too much blatant retreading (e.g. can't remember the name of it, but there's one area that tries to conjure the spirit of Prison of Hope and just feels really poor by comparison). |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 11, 2021 12:42:23 GMT
I feel the same about Dark Souls 3 - it's just good. It came out after Bloodborne I think, so yeah. Good at that point wasn't enough
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Post by mikeck on Nov 11, 2021 12:51:03 GMT
Can someone please explain how ds2 could possibly be their favourite!? I mean it's an amazing game for me but so far behind every single other game they've made. I'm trying to think of any single area it's better in? I don't think I can. There are many great things about it but it's better in one of the other games made. I have been given ds3 to play on my Xbox as it's now 60fps. I don't think there isn't a build I haven't already done in 3. Not sure what to rock. Has there been any mention in these skill up previews etc of how co op works? I wonder if they've designed it so we can play the whole game pretty much co op or there will be lots of limitations on it like in some of their previous games. For me it was more about how fluid the whole world felt, how it all connected and opened out. There were loads of secrets hidden around the main hub, and it felt like there were real quality of life improvements (healing etc) that seemed better. But, this is with rose-tinted glasses, I haven't played it since the year it released, and I never finished it. In fact, time to be honest here, whilst I've played every Souls game except Sekiro, I've only ever completed DS3; not because it's my favourite, but after getting further into each game as they released (and then hitting a wall and moving onto a new shiny game) DS3 was the one I told myself I had to persevere with and complete. |
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Post by bichii on Nov 11, 2021 12:56:07 GMT
I think I liked Sekiro precisely because of its purity. I wasn't worried about my build, I didn't have to fret that I didn't have the optimal item, or any of that. Me. My muscle memory. The bad guys. Hard as fucking nails in places (and I haven't actually finished it - parked on Owl Father on my first play through) but I got further, and enjoyed it more, than in any previous From game of the modern era. Whilst you can definitely cheese parts of sekiro for the most part you just need to learn the bosses. In lots of dark souls 1,2&3 you can cheese a lot of it. That or call in some mental naked person that kills the boss in three seconds. Just for me that gives me more satisfaction when I complete it.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 12:59:28 GMT
DS3 was one that I wasn't too enamoured with first time around but I've grown to really love it as well. Sure it's Dark Souls by way of Bloodborne, but it's very good in it's own right. It was my boys favourite until he fell in love with Sekiro. I've probably played DS3 as much as DS2 now (but that's in part due to farming ears for the fucking plat).
Sekiro, as bichii knows, I didn't care for at all after playing and finishing it upon release, but this year I've really got into it and can say that, although I don't like it as much as Soulsborne, it's a fucking brilliant game.
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Post by quadfather on Nov 11, 2021 13:02:14 GMT
I think I liked Sekiro precisely because of its purity. I wasn't worried about my build, I didn't have to fret that I didn't have the optimal item, or any of that. Me. My muscle memory. The bad guys. Hard as fucking nails in places (and I haven't actually finished it - parked on Owl Father on my first play through) but I got further, and enjoyed it more, than in any previous From game of the modern era. The thought of Sekiro drives me mad - such an enticing prospect, a From game, a shinobi, Sengoku etc. Gorgeous design. Perfect for me given my tastes. It's just so fucking hard though, the bosses specifically. I got - I think - almost all the way through it but gave up on True Corrupted Monk. I just couldn't get all their bars down. After 15+ attempts I gave up. I'd enjoyed much of the game, even though I hated most of the bosses, despite beating them in the end, sometimes weeping blood as part of the process. There comes a point where you have to realise you are just not, on balance, enjoying a game enough to continue and that was it for me. I was just tired of the game. I'm guessing this is what some feel with the Souls games! I never have. Perhaps using magic makes up for my general shittiness as a gamer. That is exactly how I found sekiro too. Exactly. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 11, 2021 13:03:58 GMT
I think I liked Sekiro precisely because of its purity. I wasn't worried about my build, I didn't have to fret that I didn't have the optimal item, or any of that. Me. My muscle memory. The bad guys. Hard as fucking nails in places (and I haven't actually finished it - parked on Owl Father on my first play through) but I got further, and enjoyed it more, than in any previous From game of the modern era. Whilst you can definitely cheese parts of sekiro for the most part you just need to learn the bosses. In lots of dark souls 1,2&3 you can cheese a lot of it. That or call in some mental naked person that kills the boss in three seconds. Just for me that gives me more satisfaction when I complete it.. Play Dark Souls without summons, magic or cheesing. Also follow a level guide to make sure you don't over level (although in my experience these are quite generous) |
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Post by neems on Nov 11, 2021 14:11:17 GMT
With the exception of Demon of Hatred, who I never beat and felt like he'd landed from a Souls game, I found the single hardest boss in Sekiro to be the ogre right near the beginning. I think From made a big mistake, because a lot of new players got to him and gave up.
Other than that, great game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 14:16:50 GMT
I got stuck on the Drunkard, who I found quite early on. Take a massive effort just to get to him, then you've got to pick off the guards before the battle begins. Such a cunt.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 14:23:58 GMT
Ah goddamit, I think I'm going to have to install Sekiro again. It's been a couple of years. Maybe despite my failing eyesight and increasingly fecked hand-eye coordination I'll miraculously be better at it....
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Post by neems on Nov 11, 2021 14:28:19 GMT
Remember, if in doubt just hammer the block button really quickly, no precision required.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 14:35:03 GMT
Remember, if in doubt just hammer the block button really quickly, no precision required. I suspect that will be my grand strategy, cheers :-D |
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 11, 2021 14:46:06 GMT
Couldn't resist loading my old save / continue. It loaded and said I was dead. Good start. I didn't resurrect, but opted to go again. Tried to get the monk on the bridge, could not remember a /single/ thing so I just ended up dancing around like a maniac and throwing fireworks. She made short work of me and I was then notified I had three of those rot things.
Man, there's a lot I don't remember about the game.
Back to the beginning it is...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 14:53:27 GMT
Remember, if in doubt just hammer the block button really quickly, no precision required. Well, actually, the games penalises you for hammering the block button by lowering the window for a deflection. Although I still do it anyway. |
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Post by quadfather on Nov 11, 2021 14:57:06 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 11, 2021 14:58:30 GMT
Early access for cunts? Sounds about right. |
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Post by skalpadda on Nov 11, 2021 15:23:05 GMT
I think more than the difficulty, the reputation it has built up as being for hardcore gamers is more off putting for people. You can over level in all of them except Sekiro so the difficulty is already variable. I think an 'easy mode' where you start with 20/25 points in health and maybe 15/20 in stamina would be fine and take away the sting of learning the games Yeah you definitely have a point. I stayed away from Dark Souls for a very long time because whenever it was mentioned it was just people wanking over how hard (but fair!) it was and pissing on every other RPG that had the audacity to exist and not be Dark Souls. It put me right off even giving it the time of day.
Then I stumbled upon someone playing Bloodborne and it looked really fun and interesting, so I decided to give Dark Souls a look, bought it and played it and absolutely properly loved it. Turned out it was actually not that hard (and certainly not always fair), but it's a game with great atmosphere, interesting levels, an intriguing setting and lots of fun enemy designs. Had people talked more about those things instead of treating it as some 1337 g4m3r rite of passage I would probably have played it the moment it hit PC instead a long while after Bloodborne was out.
Can someone please explain how ds2 could possibly be their favourite!? I mean it's an amazing game for me but so far behind every single other game they've made. It's my least favourite (still enjoyed it), but I can understand why some might like it more.
It feels very different, both in terms of how it plays and the visual design and atmosphere of the game. It's a little more varied and not as unrelentingly dark and bleak as the other Souls games and at least to me a lot of it feels more traditional and "game-y" in some ways.
Some people really hated the limited estus system and love the life gems. I don't know why, because you're up to your ears in estus after a while in all the games, but more power to them.
They did a lot to expand the combat system and the PvP. A bunch of it doesn't bloody work right, but they did expand it massively.
A few of the DLC areas are bloody fantastic, and I think some of the base game areas, like Drangleic castle, are really cool and memorable.
edit: Fuck, now I really want to play Dark Souls again.
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Post by neems on Nov 11, 2021 15:31:02 GMT
Remember, if in doubt just hammer the block button really quickly, no precision required. Well, actually, the games penalises you for hammering the block button by lowering the window for a deflection. Although I still do it anyway. Hah I did not know that, and I finished it (just the once mind). I loved the Isshin fight; fights against human opponents felt like actual sword fights. |
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Post by mikeck on Nov 12, 2021 11:10:21 GMT
First network test session is up...I'm going in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 11:13:22 GMT
Enjoy! You utter bastard.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 12, 2021 11:14:22 GMT
Right, let's see what we have here.
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Post by neems on Nov 12, 2021 11:33:58 GMT
I hate you all (except Wunty, obvs).
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Post by mikeck on Nov 12, 2021 11:35:13 GMT
Jesus...I don't know where to start, it's fucking massive.
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Post by Danno on Nov 12, 2021 11:42:50 GMT
O SHIT SORRY WORK
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