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Post by rhaegyr on May 5, 2023 11:18:27 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but why can't Gamepass keep going as it is when Microsoft's pockets are absolutely huge?
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Post by baihu1983 on May 5, 2023 11:23:32 GMT
Maybe giving all of your exclusive games away for free wasn't such a great idea after all. Always felt it should have been 3-6 months after release. But MS can't go back now and I'm pretty sure this is them trying to kill off retail.
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Post by Phattso on May 5, 2023 11:30:49 GMT
MS can change it to whatever they want whenever they want - they have the pockets to "refund" people if they kick up a stink. This is all about normalising the sub, and building that expectation in the market. It's a play for the next generation and all those after it (and the post-generation world where it's all on haptic fondle-slabs anyway). People coming late to the gen will think all their Christmases came at once. They played an absolute blinder releasing next to fuck all first party games these past two years, too, the fuckers. Ate away at my four years of cheapo GamePass nicely. But that runs out next April, and if I'm not seeing a lot more bang for my buck I imagine their subs are going off a cliff because I won't be the only one moving on.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 5, 2023 11:31:06 GMT
Fuck that. Give them to me on release. Why would you want to make GP worse?
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on May 5, 2023 12:01:41 GMT
So that means that the complaints about the bad controls are entirely down to people being unable to simply adjust their settings?!? Is that somehow more difficult to do for a controller than for a mouse? Why should people have to change anything? It should be good out of the box, with any tweaking purely for personal preference. I suspect most barely know these options exist. I wasn't aware that basic options, control settings and so on are something obscure. But I'm not sure if most PC players are any different. Judging from some of the discussion happening on the steam forums (not regarding Redfall).
I'm not being disingenous, it's just that I'm used to often having to mess around with my settings and the first thing I usually do is to change at least some of the keys, adjust mouse sensitivity etc.
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Post by Derblington on May 5, 2023 12:05:41 GMT
Changing sensitivity to preference is understandable. Having to understand and change deadzone, look speed acceleration, etc, just to get something usable in the first place is not.
You should have a generally universal working model from the get go. If it's a competitive multiplayer FPS, tweaking all the shit might be beneficial for the individual but shouldn't be a must.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on May 5, 2023 12:12:56 GMT
I did overlook Phattso's post from a few hours ago. That one made things clearer.
So those settings are essentially just something that usually doesn't come up and so people just assume that they can't do anything about it, when something is wrong for once?
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 5, 2023 12:18:47 GMT
I did overlook Phattso's post from a few hours ago. That one made things clearer. So those settings are essentially just something that usually doesn't come up and so people just assume that they can't do anything about it, when something is wrong for once? As most people have said you shouldn't have to go changing controller sensitivity settings as soon as you start the game, and if you actually saw the control settings for the game they tell you nothing about what the settings actually do. It's a terrible first impression for the user experience.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on May 5, 2023 12:49:27 GMT
Yeah, there is a thread on reddit from a few days ago that definitely sounds like a lot of people are just not aware what the problem is and what their options are. Granted, it can be confusing sometimes. Everytime mouse acceleration is turned on by default I want to strangle someone
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Post by Phattso on May 5, 2023 12:51:11 GMT
Yes, and specifically with Arkane's track record of poor controls (that one usually just had to make peace with, as the settings frequently didn't resolve the underlying jank) the natural assumption for any old hand is "whelp, they fucked it again. I'm out!"
It's not like I'm against changing settings - a forumite posted them and they resolved my issues immediately - but how the fuck did it ship with those defaults? And why are there two settings, one of which is a completely opaque "low, medium, or high" for something that doesn't make any sense? If someone hadn't posted those settings, I'd have uninstalled the fucker already.
It's clownshoe time, it really is.
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Post by Phattso on May 5, 2023 12:53:19 GMT
Add to that the fact that, despite the EPIC opening scenery and the town ahead just waiting to be explored, I spent most of my first ten minutes in the game picking up chocolate bars and reading notes - talk about crashing the moment.
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Post by bichii2 on May 5, 2023 14:16:04 GMT
Re the controls I think I'm playing a different version to most people. I hadn't noticed any deadzone issue until I read in here then when I tried it again there was no real dead zone for me, pretty much immediate response from slight aim movements and it aimed far better than the previous arkane games.
Also with skill ups review I've had none of those ai glitches where vampires ignored him or human enemies just stood there shooting. Admittedly the a.i. sucks for me as well but nothing to the level skill up suffered with. Perhaps the day one patch fixed most of the clips he made.
Re game pass I still think it is amazing including redfall. I think I get it for about £80 a year maybe through things like cd keys. I've had the series X since a few months after launch and I've only bought 2 games maybe and I've always got about 15 games installed at any one time to play. Basically i will never get through what game pass has to offer and for £7 odd pounds a month that insane value to me, even without first party content. I will definitely be spending more than £7 on one drink tonight that will last me 10 minutes.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 5, 2023 14:28:09 GMT
I had all of those glitches and terrible deadzone and I played after the day one patch. I still have all of those things. You don't have a different version to us.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 6, 2023 14:54:39 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2023 15:05:35 GMT
"Next gen immersive sim".
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2023 15:08:25 GMT
I played a bit today before giving up because I had to find another thing to open something but the texture loading just stopped working so everything looked even worse than it usually does.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on May 6, 2023 15:26:48 GMT
baihu1983 disrespecting the cultists' one-minute silence for Phil Spencer. Shame!
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Post by FlexibleFeline on May 6, 2023 15:29:13 GMT
I've ended up playing about 90 minutes, maybe 2 hours max since launch. I really like the setting but otherwise I've ended up being quite bored by it. Not frustrated or disgusted...just bored.
I think I'm done.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2023 15:34:08 GMT
I've ended up playing about 90 minutes, maybe 2 hours max since launch. I really like the setting but otherwise I've ended up being quite bored by it. Not frustrated or disgusted...just bored. I think I'm done. Yeah, when I turned it off today I just felt bored. Oh well.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 6, 2023 15:35:45 GMT
I want to finish everything in the first map but feel the need to move on now.
Definitely could do with SoD style settlements.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on May 6, 2023 15:38:02 GMT
It's a pity. I really tried to stay positive but...nah. I'm just a bit baffled to be honest. And I don't think it makes much difference what they "tweak" - if they do - I can't see myself going back. There's better shit to be getting on with.
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Post by Duffman5 on May 6, 2023 20:39:35 GMT
anyone fancy trying coop on this (series x) I know it is very meh but might be a little better with chums ? I'm only lvl 3 or 4 Jacob, just found the two helicopter crash sites and completed that mission.
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Post by smemma on May 7, 2023 9:21:35 GMT
anyone fancy trying coop on this (series x) I know it is very meh but might be a little better with chums ? I'm only lvl 3 or 4 Jacob, just found the two helicopter crash sites and completed that mission. I would! Despite all the well-established flaws, I’m really enjoying it now
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Post by lordofthedunce on May 7, 2023 10:48:08 GMT
Playing in coop and the world is fun to explore, but there's almost no challenge. The locations are fun, some of the detail is great but it's so easy that there's no difficulty getting anywhere. There's no 'oh, shit' moments of panic, no 'we made it!'. As far as originality, it's not a brown military shooter or alien infestation, at least. The town is fun to poke around. There's some great ideas, the lighting, location, stake guns and powers but it's all inconsequential when there's no challenging gameplay. The loot and collection system is poo. It's nearly a great game but feels unpolished (and that's being generous). Fix the graphical glitchiness and difficulty level and it could be decent.
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Post by bichii2 on May 7, 2023 17:34:49 GMT
Yeah that's my biggest gripe. Just up the difficulty and I'd enjoy it much more. We steam roll everything so there is no satisfaction when you beat a boss.
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Post by bichii2 on May 8, 2023 19:32:19 GMT
Had a good maybe two hours on it today. Killed a couple of underbosses, did some side stuff and one main mission. Again outside of some semi tricky moments everything is hilariously easy. Killed a rook in probably under one second and an underboss died before I saw it, apparently my son killed it in one or two shots. (This is on the highest available difficulty). So many bizarre things that are so wrong with it. Lots of fun still though.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 8, 2023 19:36:02 GMT
Jacobs Sniper special takes care of the Rook in 2-3 headshots
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Post by bichii2 on May 8, 2023 19:43:36 GMT
With some legendary assault rifle it died in under a second. Was pretty comical after the cool lightening build up.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 9, 2023 5:24:38 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 9, 2023 11:27:38 GMT
With some legendary assault rifle it died in under a second. Was pretty comical after the cool lightening build up. Surprise, surprise. I've just read it's a bug introduced in the hotfix they released that affects co-op damage scaling. Quality.
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