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Post by Dougs on Jan 31, 2024 8:06:49 GMT
Do you substitute meat or not bother?
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Post by elstoof on Jan 31, 2024 8:47:17 GMT
Mostly make things traditionally without meat or use lentils/beans in things like a cottage pie, but we’ve ended up trying a few fake meat things and some of them are genuinely decent. M&S vegan chicken Kyiv does the job perfectly but it can be a minefield finding the good stuff, and then remembering which meat free sausages you had last week from the bewildering array of similar packaging on the shelf
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Post by elstoof on Jan 31, 2024 8:49:39 GMT
I don’t plan on giving up meat entirely, I’ll still have a burger or steak when I go out etc but I just want to cut down drastically, as much due to environmental impact of industrial farming as personal health really
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Post by damagedinc on Jan 31, 2024 8:51:29 GMT
Eating for 2 hours a day? Yes, Monday - Friday I do something similar but not as extreme. 16 hours non eating with a 8 hour window. But I will go 24 hours not eating on Monday and once a month 48 hours.
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Post by mrpon on Jan 31, 2024 9:26:14 GMT
I don't know the science, but these extreme diets don't sound healthy to me.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 31, 2024 9:32:18 GMT
Yeah they don’t work other than short term either.
I’ve cut out most sweet food from my diet at the moment and putting more veg/salad on it with things. It’s a fairly small change but means I’m less tempted by junk, most of the time.
I’m not overweight but I’d rather just feel a bit healthier, 1 stone less would help with that.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 31, 2024 9:33:54 GMT
Imagine doing the same diet as Rishi Sunak
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Post by Dougs on Jan 31, 2024 10:21:41 GMT
Mostly make things traditionally without meat or use lentils/beans in things like a cottage pie, but we’ve ended up trying a few fake meat things and some of them are genuinely decent. M&S vegan chicken Kyiv does the job perfectly but it can be a minefield finding the good stuff, and then remembering which meat free sausages you had last week from the bewildering array of similar packaging on the shelf Tried similar last year but soon backslid. I didn't really get on with much of the Quorn/Tofu but subbing in veg/pulses was fine. Don't eat a huge amount of meat really, usually have 3 or 4 meat free meals a week anyway and even chicken in stir fries is one chicken breast between us. After the big weight loss (about 4kg) after mostly stopping drinking, it has stabilised. Treats are still out but perhaps haven't vut back on portions as much as I could have, so that's the next thing.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 31, 2024 10:25:27 GMT
It helps that my wife is even more keen on going meat free than I am, I’m happy to go with the flow for the most part. If she wasn’t fussed then I expect we’d probably slip back into more regular meat, it’s a fair bit easier tbf
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Post by geefe on Jan 31, 2024 10:27:54 GMT
I tried the eating window thing. Didn't make a whole lot of difference.
Making sure I had protein and balance was more effective. Even this last week I've done no exercise due to illness, I've managed my weight and eaten steadily.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 31, 2024 11:14:59 GMT
I do know somebody who used to be morbidly obese who has been sticking to one-meal-a-day for about three years, he's doing pretty well, and is now probably fitter than me (he also exercise very regularly).
It's not for everyone but it definitely seems to work well for him.
My own weight loss has stalled, lost what I put on one Christmas but back at 80kg ish and not really going down. Just struggle to cut anything further.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 31, 2024 11:17:42 GMT
I think much like all these sorts of lifestyle changes, it's about sticking to it. If it works for you, great. One size doesn't fit all though and will differ depending on what you do, especially for exercise. Into weights and you'll struggle on one meal I think.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 31, 2024 11:38:46 GMT
Have to find something you enjoy out of it, there’s a tendency to associate losing weight with depriving yourself or suffering for your goals but it shouldn’t be like that. Find an activity or exercise you enjoy, find alternative foods you like eating, that’s the only way to make a lasting change. Starving yourself for 2 days probably isn’t the solution
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Post by Derblington on Jan 31, 2024 12:39:23 GMT
I'd be curious how many essential nutrients he would get daily from one meal, and how large that meal is? It will absolutely result in weight loss, as the energy deficit will be massive, but as the weight goes down other problems will surface (eventually). I can't imagine his relationship with food is very healthy at all.
Similarly, if you go veggie, or mostly veggie, make sure you're getting enough B12, creatine, etc. There are plenty of good reasons to go without meat but be aware that you can't get everything you need from plants without supplementation. You need a much larger variety of food just to get a complete amino acid profile.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 31, 2024 12:56:26 GMT
I'd be curious how many essential nutrients he would get daily from one meal, and how large that meal is? It will absolutely result in weight loss, as the energy deficit will be massive, but as the weight goes down other problems will surface (eventually). I can't imagine his relationship with food is very healthy at all. Similarly, if you go veggie, or mostly veggie, make sure you're getting enough B12, creatine, etc. There are plenty of good reasons to go without meat but be aware that you can't get everything you need from plants without supplementation. You need a much larger variety of food just to get a complete amino acid profile. I can't speak entirely for my mate, but based on the stuff he cooks he's actually quite into food and cooking, genuinely one of the biggest foodies I know. Unsure how big his current meals are but a year ago or so, when he was shedding weight quickly, he mentioned his meal was around 1200 kcal. I'm sure you could do OMAD very poorly, but in all honesty his diet seems more varied and overall healthier than mine.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 31, 2024 13:27:40 GMT
You need a much larger variety of food just to get a complete amino acid profile. Not really, you can get all 9 essential aminos from just rice and lentils, or mushroom contains all 9
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Post by gibroon on Jan 31, 2024 13:37:39 GMT
I've been a veggie for over 25 years now. I was about 12 stone at my previous job which was more physically demanding. I went up to 13 stone at my current job and I have never fluctuated any more than that. 5ft 11 inches tall so just about in the normal bracket.
My beer belly is certainly getting bigger though. I need to get out on the push bike this year. I said that last year too. Haha
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 13, 2024 9:31:19 GMT
Hello fellow fatties and buff people.
I have simpleton question, when you're calculating things like BMR and Total calorie expenditure what counts as moderate exercise? I can't find a proper definition of it beyond things like Brisk walk.
Does the apple watch exercise ring count as moderate exercise, I think so?
Thanks, your fellow fatty.
PS I also learnt recently that I am in fact 1 cm shorter than I thought. Harrowing times.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 13, 2024 9:45:28 GMT
The Apple watch just tracks whatever exercise you tell it to, no? It could be a walk, a run, swim, weight training, etc.
Moderate usually equates to zone 2 aerobic activity. Light sweat, able to talk (but it's not that comfortable).
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 9:53:23 GMT
Yeah. For ages my understanding was skewed. It's basically fast walking. Low aerobic activity. I've got an app that tries to class running as moderate exercise but it's just not the case, if you go off heart rate BPM.
A brisk walk to light jog is it. As long as you can still talk with minimal effort.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 13, 2024 10:59:47 GMT
The Apple watch just tracks whatever exercise you tell it to, no? It could be a walk, a run, swim, weight training, etc. Moderate usually equates to zone 2 aerobic activity. Light sweat, able to talk (but it's not that comfortable). Nope the apple watch also automatically adds exercise minutes when you exert yourself a little., I think based on motion and heart rate.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 13, 2024 11:10:02 GMT
Yeah. For ages my understanding was skewed. It's basically fast walking. Low aerobic activity. I've got an app that tries to class running as moderate exercise but it's just not the case, if you go off heart rate BPM. A brisk walk to light jog is it. As long as you can still talk with minimal effort. Running can be moderate if your going for a light jog I guess, normally though my runs are closer to my max heart rate not my resting!
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 12:04:30 GMT
A jog is very different to a run, though. Foot placement, stride, exertion. I can't really jog because it's way too much hard work and effort to actually stay slow.
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Post by smoothpete on Feb 13, 2024 12:50:33 GMT
I had norovirus last week and shat myself half to death but lost 3kg in the process, so pro tip if you want to shed a few pounds
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 12:51:25 GMT
Some gut called Jared lost loads of weight cause he got aides
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Post by mikeck on Feb 13, 2024 16:17:14 GMT
A jog is very different to a run, though. Foot placement, stride, exertion. I can't really jog because it's way too much hard work and effort to actually stay slow. You just reminded me of a guy who used to play football with us who said "I had a trial with Plymouth Argyle but they said no because I was too fast". We used to call him Jay (from Inbetweeners). Love the energy of "I can't jog because I can't run that slow" 👍
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 16:38:00 GMT
Ha. But seriously it is quite awkward if you're used to running at pace. If I'm doing a "steady run" that's supposed to be about 10.30-11 min per mile for 3 miles, I still just naturally speed up.
If it really is jogging you're after, best bet is to go to the gym and put the treadmill on between 4-4.5 setting. It's too fast to walk, so you do need to jog but it SHOULD keep your heart rate at the very low end of aerobic (which for me is between about 130-143bpm at age 34, weighing 75kg, so factor that in).
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Post by mikeck on Feb 13, 2024 16:40:08 GMT
Ha. I'm just jealous Geefe, I hate running. I can get to a fair speed on the football pitch, but it's in bursts, I have no love of running for longer than needed.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 13, 2024 16:58:24 GMT
4-4.5 is too fast to walk? How short are your legs?
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 17:16:26 GMT
4-4.5 is too fast to walk? How short are your legs? I'm barely 5"5 mate. I've tried a lot to get my average steps per minute up to 180 or so but that shortens my stride and I get fucking nowhere. Now I hover around 155-160 and just try to spend around the first 10 minutes going as slow as I can while still making headway and then just push up.
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