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Oct 18, 2021 22:21:19 GMT
Post by hiphopopotamus on Oct 18, 2021 22:21:19 GMT
Watched this tonight at a Cineworld Unlimited screening, it’s bloody ace .. the pacing may bore some people but I found it all very good for being different from the norm and it’s a stellar cast with Hans Zimmer backing it all up - loved it.
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Oct 18, 2021 23:29:07 GMT
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Post by MysteryLamb on Oct 18, 2021 23:29:07 GMT
Got tickets for Thursday night at our local-ish independent place (30 miles away). £7.50 which is almost half the price of the Odeon and they usually have an interval with an old fashioned organist providing entertainment. Plus I've the next 6 days off work and the place I'm staying at totally to myself over the weekend.
I'm living the dream.
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Oct 19, 2021 6:29:51 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 19, 2021 6:29:51 GMT
The Odeon round my way is £4-£5 for a Standard seat in Screen 1. I pay £12.99/month for Limitless membership so I can go as often as I like for no extra cost, and I get access to early screenings like last night. I'll go see Dune again this weekend or next probably.
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Oct 19, 2021 6:36:35 GMT
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Post by mothercruncher on Oct 19, 2021 6:36:35 GMT
Does it has Sting in it?
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Oct 19, 2021 9:16:30 GMT
Post by Gruf on Oct 19, 2021 9:16:30 GMT
No but they have replaced Stings "skills" by casting Jason Momoa in it
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Oct 19, 2021 16:42:54 GMT
Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 19, 2021 16:42:54 GMT
Watched this tonight at a Cineworld Unlimited screening, it’s bloody ace .. the pacing may bore some people but I found it all very good for being different from the norm and it’s a stellar cast with Hans Zimmer backing it all up - loved it. I did definitely enjoy it as well. I have my complaints, but that's always the case. The sound-bombardment in the cinema where I watched it was a bit of a problem, but I think I liked the soundtrack as well. But that's one reason why I need to eventually rewatch this outside of a cinema.
The pacing may have been a bit slow in the first half, but I was never bored. I felt like it took its time for good reasons and really used it to build up the background. I'd say I liked it more than the second half. Some of the action seemed unnecessary. Well, at least the Ornithopter through the sandstorm was kind of pointless in my opinion.
The stupid Boromir-scene with Duncan is the only thing that feels like it should just have been thrown out.
You saw nothing.
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Oct 19, 2021 16:44:58 GMT
Post by clemfandango on Oct 19, 2021 16:44:58 GMT
Watched this tonight at a Cineworld Unlimited screening, it’s bloody ace .. the pacing may bore some people but I found it all very good for being different from the norm and it’s a stellar cast with Hans Zimmer backing it all up - loved it. I did definitely enjoy it as well. I have my complaints, but that's always the case. The sound-bombardment in the cinema where I watched it was a bit of a problem, but I think I liked the soundtrack as well. The stupid Boromir-scene with Duncan should have been cut.
The pacing may have been a bit slow in the first half, but I was never bored. I felt like it took its time for good reasons and really used it to build up the background. I'd say I liked it more than the second half. Some of the action seemed unnecessary. Well, at least the Ornithopter through the sandstorm was kind of pointless in my opinion.
is that a spoiler?
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Oct 19, 2021 16:49:31 GMT
Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 19, 2021 16:49:31 GMT
I cannot spoiler-tag the quote, so you have to do it ;-)
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Oct 19, 2021 22:19:53 GMT
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 19, 2021 22:19:53 GMT
Didn't realise this had downloaded from the 'high-seas' 3 days ago. Got to watch at the cinema first though!
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Oct 19, 2021 23:05:17 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on Oct 19, 2021 23:05:17 GMT
Just finished.
Oh dear.
Whether it's the cinematic equivalent of beige, the design that feels "10ys old Deus Ex:HR", the droning wash of a score (with bonus Inception horn) or it just feels that everyone is just saying "the lines" rather than being characters, holy shit this was a chore. That last part especially irked me, pandering to the "oooh he said THE THING" nerdgasm crowd, along with the tacked in token action. It's certainly not Shakespere, and I don't understand holding the script to such stilted reverence to the book when liberties are taken with other elements. Even the old film had the balls to introduce the weirding module stuff...and this has shielding that accounts to being fuck all use.
Lead fella lacks any charisma, Issac takes Leto from charming righteous to arsehole, and Jessica just simpers around before magic badassery.
At least the ol' film had a sense of theater and fun (and I'm probably biased because of it's influence on 40k).
/not a book wanker
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Oct 20, 2021 6:43:45 GMT
Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 20, 2021 6:43:45 GMT
Well, the press reactions I have seen are a bit too positive overall.
Regarding shields: I think that's basically just a case of: "Ok, seemingly kinda useless, but if we abandoned them, we'd very quickly wish we had them again." At least assuming that the other houses aren't completely braindead and capable of military adaptation.
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Oct 20, 2021 8:22:37 GMT
Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 20, 2021 8:22:37 GMT
Booked IMAX tickets for saturday and then spent the rest of the evening thinking 'shit, that theatre looked a bit full'.
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Oct 20, 2021 8:24:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 8:24:00 GMT
Yeah I'm going to try to get a grubby solo trip in an empty cinema through the week at some point.
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Oct 20, 2021 8:24:52 GMT
Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 20, 2021 8:24:52 GMT
Unusually, all three of us want to see it otherwise I would have gone for the lonely divorcee showing, too.
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Oct 20, 2021 8:36:16 GMT
Post by スコットランド on Oct 20, 2021 8:36:16 GMT
I did my IMAX trip on a Monday afternoon, 3 people there apart from us. The joys of working from home....
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Oct 20, 2021 9:01:45 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 9:01:45 GMT
I guess if you haven't read the book or understood how the shields work then you might think they're pointless. Tbf they only briefly explained it once in this film.
The Weirding Modules were one of the worst things about Lynch's film. They're not in the book and they are a lazy plot device so they don't have to film epic hand to hand battles, just shout at people through a megaphone.
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Oct 20, 2021 9:03:09 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 9:03:09 GMT
Also there is a significant spoiler above, a mod should remove if the poster won't.
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Oct 20, 2021 9:50:02 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on Oct 20, 2021 9:50:02 GMT
I guess if you haven't read the book or understood how the shields work then you might think they're pointless. Tbf they only briefly explained it once in this film. The Weirding Modules were one of the worst things about Lynch's film. They're not in the book and they are a lazy plot device so they don't have to film epic hand to hand battles, just shout at people through a megaphone. Oh, I understand how the shields work, tell that to the action scenes, where flashes of red are what ? They're slowing the blades at the very point of contact ? Looks like a playschool slappy fight and no real emphasis on the martial arts I believe everyone's trained in. Missed an opportunity for some slo-mo. And the weirding modules ? They also serve as a technological edge, a weapon giving any chump firepower that trumps shielding/martial arts/Gesserit training, and supports the notion of the Atreides rising as a house, Jessica spilling Bene secrets (along with training Paul), and the Fremen swinging from harrassing to dominating Harkkonen forces in a short spell. It might be cheap compared to the purity of book kung-fu shenanigans, but it works on several levels. And what exactly can we spoil about a 60yr old story, with an almost exact script from a 40yr old film ? Sterile. That's the term I couldn't think of last night. It all felt so sterile
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Oct 20, 2021 9:56:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 9:56:53 GMT
Stop with the spoilers eh.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:00:47 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on Oct 20, 2021 10:00:47 GMT
How can I, when I don't know what's been spoiled ? Nobody ever bothers to tell people that bit.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:05:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 10:05:46 GMT
Not sure, I stopped reading your post about 4 words in.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:07:27 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 10:07:27 GMT
Lead fella lacks any charisma, Issac takes Leto from charming righteous to arsehole, and Jessica just simpers around before magic badassery. That's a hot take right there. Lead fella projects presence to command troops and be a believable religious Messiah despite being built like Harry Potter. Isaac's Leto meets with the Fremen and makes efforts to understand their culture and form an alliance with them at the same time as being a strong military leader, the Leto as Herbert imagined. Jessica walks the line of obeying the Reverend Mother, serving Leto faithfully and also shows a mother's concern for Paul when he has to do his Gom Jabbar test, despite being a capable person in her own right. This is the problem with Lynch's Dune, it was a bit shit but worse of all it conveyed nothing of the tone of the book. If that's all you know Dune by, then you wouldn't understand the lead characters very well and might not "get" Villeneuve's Dune, which absolutely nails the characters and style of the book, that Lynch barely attempted to do.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:08:48 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 10:08:48 GMT
Nah OSS you didn't spoil, in that I was referring to a post from fluffy someone above.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:12:52 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 10:12:52 GMT
Yeah, where the shields at flashing red, that's the slow blade penetrating the shield. It's a visual representation that they've used to help the audience understand when they are slowing their blade down in a fight scene to get through a shield and it works.
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Oct 20, 2021 10:20:42 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 10:20:42 GMT
The Weirding Modules are just weird. The Fremen rise up against the Harkkonen because there are millions of them rather than the tens of thousands that the Harkkonen estimated. They were waiting for a Messiah to organise and lead them. They were mostly content to stay hidden in the deep desert to avoid the Harkkonen and disguise their numbers. The Fremen are naturally fierce and capable fighters due to the hardships of the desert, but the Atriedies increase their potential even further with martial arts training (or Weirding Way, that's what the Weirding was in the novel iirc) and military tactics.
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Oct 20, 2021 11:27:28 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on Oct 20, 2021 11:27:28 GMT
Again, 40k. Know the wiki/Lynch/games/lore but never actually read the book. Based on this version, I doubt I'd want to. Lynch threw everything in, and even with the liberties, gave you a world you wanted to know more about.
Prachnow saw Arrakis as prestige and position, Issac went full "A Violent Year" bringing up money several times. Lady Jessica was certainly so, rather than looking like a plain housemaid. The two Mentats of the houses are barely scenery characters in this new one (and I don't think Pieter's name was even mentioned). The opportunity to emphasise ancient martial arts missed imo, with the Paul/Gurney scene even more of a brawl. Even Kyle got to dance with the combat drone. The weird decision to have muttering under breath and subtitled handsign to avoid the narration associated with Lynch's version...
The more I think about it, the more this does come across - disassociation with Lynch while box-ticking.
Who knows ? It might all come together in Part 2, bringing a better pace and depth along with Villeneuve's plans for a Part 3. But the cynic says WB are hedging their bets already, and are not happy with numbers so far. And so the curse continues.
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Oct 20, 2021 13:27:23 GMT
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Post by probablymuttler on Oct 20, 2021 13:27:23 GMT
Yeah I thought the same about the Mentats tbh, I didn't say anything because I thought that was veering into spoiler territory. But I kind of agree with you on that and I don't understand why they've been skimmed over in this. Also Dr Yueh's mental conditioning wasn't mentioned at all.
Honestly I would encourage everyone to read the book. I've read it at least 5 times. It's considered one of the finest works of Science Fiction and Fantasy ever, for a reason. It's so unique. It's better than Lord of the Rings, at least the first book is.
If you read the book you'll see just what a staggering achievement Villeneuve's Dune is.
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Oct 21, 2021 22:29:22 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Oct 21, 2021 22:29:22 GMT
Seeing it tomorrow night, just finished rewatching the original for the first time in 20 years! Fucking hell, what a mess, not sure if it's a glorious mess, I think it might be!
I love how they crammed 2 or 3 films worth of stuff into the last 30 minutes!
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Oct 21, 2021 23:19:07 GMT
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Post by MysteryLamb on Oct 21, 2021 23:19:07 GMT
Special film. Really great. I want the next part NOW!
Has it been green lit yet?
I worry after over-hearing a lady behind me say as it finished "Was that it? What kind of ending was that?!".
I'm not sure the marketing made it clear enough it was made with the intention of a second part. One of my friends said he wouldn't have realised if hadn't been mentioned on the drive to the theatre. The title screen does say part one but none of the posters I saw do. Haven't seen any ads and avoided trailers though.
Just cinematic magic. I look forward to seeing it again at home when it's released without 30 people constantly scrunching up foil sweet/choc packets in a cacophony, or anyone kicking the back of my chair (by mistake) every 5 minutes. Not their fault, just cinemas being cinemas.
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Oct 21, 2021 23:54:22 GMT
Post by skalpadda on Oct 21, 2021 23:54:22 GMT
Seeing it tomorrow and I took the risk of scrolling through this thread with squinty eyes so I could quickly close them at the first sign of a spoiler. I'm looking forward to it as I haven't disliked any of Villeneuve's movies (not a big fan of Prisoners but the filmmaking was fine, I just wasn't interested in the subject matter). I'm at the very least expecting competent craftsmanship and pretty pictures. Has he been good in anything since Game of Thrones? Like literally anything at all? I quite enjoyed him in that ghastly Conan remake a couple of years ago. It might be the worst movie I've ever seen and he certainly doesn't do any good acting or anything else that's good in it, but I did enjoy laughing at it.
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