|
|
Dune
Feb 19, 2024 12:38:24 GMT
Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 19, 2024 12:38:24 GMT
Stories of Your Life and Others is a really nice collection of short stories. |
|
|
|
Post by zisssou on Feb 19, 2024 13:25:58 GMT
If you've ever read Dune there is a massive dump of information at you, that you have to figure out alongside the lead character, hence why it is so superb. So the first part of Dune, sure wasn't 'original', but the screenplay managed to dump all that information across multiple characters, without feeling like you're in a history lesson.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 20, 2024 10:01:03 GMT
via mobile
Post by 😎 on Feb 20, 2024 10:01:03 GMT
Somehow, despite being a lifelong Dune fan, I’ve never seen the early 2000s miniseries, so I picked it up recently and…holy shit the production values are…something else. I think I could have afforded something better even in the day.
Favorite thing so far is seeing how far the eyes of ibad effect drifts across someone’s face.
|
|
Bongo Heracles
Junior Member
Technically illegal to ride on public land
Posts: 4,625
|
Dune
Feb 20, 2024 10:13:29 GMT
Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2024 10:13:29 GMT
Its a SyFy Original (the equivalent of 'remember when MTV used to play music videos?') so you're lucky its not set in Toronto. Children of Dune (feat. Messiah) is much better in that respect. It actually has more than 10p spent on it.
As a side observation, I was watching Jaws 3 the other day (yeah) and did wonder how P.H Moriarty (Gurney) ever got any work. He is a sub-primary school nativity level actor. YOU YOUNG PUP.
|
|
Bongo Heracles
Junior Member
Technically illegal to ride on public land
Posts: 4,625
|
Dune
Feb 20, 2024 10:14:06 GMT
Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2024 10:14:06 GMT
Ive just worked out why Patrick Stewart carries a dog in David Lynch's Dune.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 20, 2024 10:23:22 GMT
via mobile
Post by 😎 on Feb 20, 2024 10:23:22 GMT
I keep waiting for him to batter someone to death with a 15 inch rubber cock.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 20, 2024 10:36:07 GMT
Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2024 10:36:07 GMT
I quite enjoyed the SyFy Dune miniseries(es) at the time, but you did have to go in with the understanding that it was gonna be very low budget. And some of the costume choices were a bit weird.
|
|
otto
New Member
Posts: 956
|
Post by otto on Feb 20, 2024 11:03:36 GMT
Another vote here for Arrival. Easily the best film about first contact that I've seen. They should just get Villeneuve to make all sci fi films going forward.
|
|
|
|
Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 20, 2024 15:09:45 GMT
Josh Brolin has had a go at summarising Dune Part 2:
|
|
Onny
Junior Member
Posts: 1,151
|
Dune
Feb 20, 2024 16:35:03 GMT
via mobile
Post by Onny on Feb 20, 2024 16:35:03 GMT
Another vote here for Arrival. Easily the best film about first contact that I've seen. They should just get Villeneuve to make all sci fi films going forward. Not all sci fi, leave some space for Nolan pls. |
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 21, 2024 18:15:18 GMT
Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 21, 2024 18:15:18 GMT
'Ware the early hyped up reviews, but...
|
|
|
|
Post by Whizzo on Feb 21, 2024 18:20:51 GMT
Looking forward to the next Empire podcast as Ben Travis gave it 4* and James Dyer will probably be disagreeing with that.
Must do a rewatch of Part 1 before the 1st March.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 24, 2024 17:42:25 GMT
via mobile
Post by britesparc on Feb 24, 2024 17:42:25 GMT
Helen O'Hara said on Instagram that she didn't think it was quite as good as part 1 so it might be an interesting discussion.
I think the debates they have over the films is one of the highlights of the Empire podcast, tbh.
|
|
|
|
Post by Whizzo on Feb 26, 2024 17:26:43 GMT
Er Denis mate, I enjoy your movies but this is such a fucking stupid opinion.
|
|
Bongo Heracles
Junior Member
Technically illegal to ride on public land
Posts: 4,625
|
Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 26, 2024 17:38:31 GMT
I don’t think ‘film is a visual medium’ is that bad a take especially for a director who paints so well on that particular canvas.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 17:44:14 GMT
Post by Phattso on Feb 26, 2024 17:44:14 GMT
Visual and sound, he says, and I'm down with that. Some of my favourite movies are pretty light on dialogue. Don't get me wrong, every now and then I want A Few Good Men or whatever Tarrantino shat out that decade. But I love movies that are quite low on dialogue too. The man is allowed his opinion.  |
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 18:23:47 GMT
via mobile
Post by 😎 on Feb 26, 2024 18:23:47 GMT
Yeah, very valid opinion really. Movies can, and should, be the best place for show don’t tell, and while that can be accomplished through good dialogue, 9 times out of 10 it’s just a big exposition dump.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 18:28:14 GMT
via mobile
Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 26, 2024 18:28:14 GMT
Yeah, very valid opinion really. Movies can, and should, be the best place for show don’t tell, and while that can be accomplished through good dialogue, 9 times out of 10 it’s just a big exposition dump. Agree, it's a bugbear of mine of late. |
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 18:34:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by Whizzo on Feb 26, 2024 18:34:02 GMT
Badly written dialogue is badly written dialogue, saying dialogue is something that's for theatre and television is nuts.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 18:50:11 GMT
via mobile
😎 likes this
Post by Vandelay on Feb 26, 2024 18:50:11 GMT
Not really. TV (and theatre) has always been seen as a writer's medium and film the director's medium. That has been blurred a bit in more recent year's, as TV budgets allow for more spectacular visuals, whilst films are more often made with the expectation a lot of people won't be watching them on a big cinema screen. It still holds true for a lot of directors though.
And he doesn't say that he wants bad dialogue or there is no such thing as bad dialogue in films. It's just something he doesn't focus on.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:01:58 GMT
Post by 😎 on Feb 26, 2024 19:01:58 GMT
Yeah, very easy to read between the lines and take it as his preference on his own filmmaking and what he thinks the primary focus and storytelling part of a movie should be. He praised the living shit out of Oppenheimer even though he also described it as "three hours of talking" for instance as the visuals were so strong.
|
|
kal
Full Member
Posts: 8,309
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:11:15 GMT
via mobile
Post by kal on Feb 26, 2024 19:11:15 GMT
Yeah he’s totally entitled to his preferences like anyone else. There’s space for visual movies and there’s space for brilliant writing.
It would be interesting to somehow measure whether films are more well known for the images or their words. My suspicion is the latter.
|
|
Bongo Heracles
Junior Member
Technically illegal to ride on public land
Posts: 4,625
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:19:34 GMT
via mobile
Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 26, 2024 19:19:34 GMT
That’s the neat thing about films. Take jaws. You ask three people to name something about that movie and you’re probably going to get The Speech, The theme or either the chum scene scare or the first swimming scene.
|
|
richardiox
Junior Member
Semi proficient
Posts: 1,652
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:25:29 GMT
via mobile
Post by richardiox on Feb 26, 2024 19:25:29 GMT
That’s the neat thing about films. Take jaws. You ask three people to name something about that movie and you’re probably going to get The Speech, The theme or either the chum scene scare or the first swimming scene. Roy Scheider in his tight swimmers. |
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:28:23 GMT
Onny likes this
Post by 😎 on Feb 26, 2024 19:28:23 GMT
That's some bad hat harry.
|
|
Bongo Heracles
Junior Member
Technically illegal to ride on public land
Posts: 4,625
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:36:11 GMT
via mobile
Onny likes this
Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 26, 2024 19:36:11 GMT
Five things
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 19:38:41 GMT
via mobile
Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 26, 2024 19:38:41 GMT
Images of films really do stick with me and with those images the dialogue comes next. I'm a very visual person and just having an image conjures so much and it stays with me more. Sure there's always going to be quotable dialogue but it's the imagery and the framing of a particular scene that's going to stay in the memory more than anything else.
|
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 20:43:00 GMT
via mobile
Post by technoish on Feb 26, 2024 20:43:00 GMT
Think of 300, an incredibly visual film, but I first think of "THIS IS SPARTA" |
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 26, 2024 20:44:18 GMT
via mobile
JonFE likes this
Post by Phattso on Feb 26, 2024 20:44:18 GMT
But those words mean nothing without the ensuing slow mo visual of someone getting hoofed into a well. |
|
|
|
Dune
Feb 27, 2024 1:42:28 GMT
Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 27, 2024 1:42:28 GMT
If he's talking about his own movies and approach to making them, that's fine. It (mostly) works for him, though frankly his movies could do with some more memorable dialogue, as has already been mentioned many times on this here forum.
If he's talking more generally about movies then it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Visuals and sound are a huge part of movies, but so are plot and characters and script and performances.
There are some amazing movies that are little more than a couple of people talking, and there are some movies that rely on amazing visuals. The number of quotable lines that people remember is insane, and while some of them are tied to the performance or the scene or the visuals, a lot of them are just really memorable lines.
I'll be back.
69 dude!
Bueller Bueller Bueller
I feel the need, the need for speed!
First rule of fight club...
Basically the only memorable thing about Commando is the lines
Lord of the Rings has some amazing visuals, but it's the lines and speeches that I remember. That's partly tied in to the performances and visuals and music, but those aren't what spring to mind.
Pulp fiction has some beautiful visual shots, great music and great performances, but without the dialogue it'd all be pretty pointless and not so memorable.
For me, personally, it usually comes down to characters. Do I care about the characters? Are they interesting or entertaining? Do I care what's happening to them?
And dialogue is usually, though not always, a big part of that.
I thought Dune Part 1 was great in IMAX, and now I remember almost nothing of it. 2049 surprised me by being amazing and beautiful and having a good story, but I remember a lot more lines from Bladerunner than 2049, and the original is more memorable overall imho.
Definitely room for both styles though.
...and I thought Christmas only came once a year
|
|
