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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 2, 2022 10:08:41 GMT
The mystery about who is the dragon was a bit shit.
Clearly it wasn't going to be Lennie Small the wolfboy with the shows dullest character arc. Hmmmm my eyes glowed and I can control wolves but let me completely ignore it. I appreciate it wouldn't be wise to run around telling everyone but surely your going to have a few questions for Morraine or discuss with your friends?
When we do find out it's perm boy it's down to the evil voice in portal land. Sorry but weren't they supposed to ignore the Black Wind? Isn't it suppose to be deceitful and fill them with doubt? Is it not within the realm of possibility that it might be a lie?
It just seemed like a giant leap from complete uncertainty to concrete conviction.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 2, 2022 10:45:43 GMT
I'd suggest The Magicians is more entertaining than WoT. I've not read the books so have no issue with any deviation from source material. It's just not very good. The last episode has made me fairly indifferent to a second season. I watched the first 4 episodes of the Magicians as Mrs Ecosse liked the books, fuck me, it's so bad, especially the laughable acting of the main character. Wheel of Time is light years better than the Magicians. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 2, 2022 10:55:04 GMT
The mystery about who is the dragon was a bit shit. That did make me laugh. This big mystery revealed with some guy just saying 'its me'. It's another problem with it being eight episodes. You've got like eight (?) main characters and a central mystery concerning five of them. There's never going to be enough running time to do it properly. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 2, 2022 11:19:17 GMT
I'd suggest The Magicians is more entertaining than WoT. I've not read the books so have no issue with any deviation from source material. It's just not very good. The last episode has made me fairly indifferent to a second season. I watched the first 4 episodes of the Magicians as Mrs Ecosse liked the books, fuck me, it's so bad, especially the laughable acting of the main character. Wheel of Time is light years better than the Magicians. I found it more entertaining. Personally I found all of the key relationships and romances in WoT to be devoid of any genuine emotion or feeling and the character development pretty much non existent. I had to double check who was supposed to be in a relationship and it's nature as it was so poorly conveyed. |
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Post by ignatiusjreilly on Jan 2, 2022 11:27:47 GMT
I've already started to forget what happened in the tv show, age I guesss. But wasn't it Min that confirmed who the dragon was, up to that point the evil portal voice might've been lying??
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 2, 2022 11:30:34 GMT
I watched the first 4 episodes of the Magicians as Mrs Ecosse liked the books, fuck me, it's so bad, especially the laughable acting of the main character. Wheel of Time is light years better than the Magicians. I found it more entertaining. Personally I found all of the key relationships and romances in WoT to be devoid of any genuine emotion or feeling and the character development pretty much non existent. I had to double check who was supposed to be in a relationship and it's nature as it was so poorly conveyed. Each to their own but the Quentin actor is so bad that for us it's utterly laughable and impossible to take serious in any way. Take handsome "actor" with laughably wooden delivery and no depth whatsoever and get him to play an awkward nerd, it's laugh out loud stupid. Shame. |
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jan 2, 2022 11:58:24 GMT
Does that include S1 of Forbrydelsen, the one that started it all? That is upper tier TV, a stone cold classic. I think that's what's translated as "The Killing" here and if so no, by the time people were pummelling me with Scandi noir recommendations I think that was not one of them anymore… Actually I’m rather glad you said that, as on the whole I agree with you. Little Scandi noir came up to the The Killing’s standard, even the subsequent seasons of it were not as good as the first. Catch it if you can. Anyway this has nothing to do Moraine or the Ginger Hero so I’ll stop now. |
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Post by anthonyuk on Jan 2, 2022 12:15:34 GMT
Haven't touched the books and just finished the last episode. It's a strange one, early on it feels very much a poor copy of LOTR to the point its distracting, but eventually does become its own thing while totally being all over the place.
Theres little room for character development, so it often feels like they're all going to mcguffin to get the mcguffin because reasons. Even when meeting what appear to be some kind of guardians at the end of the world for the final battle, it all felt so rushed that it carried little weight.
Felt that was a common theme though, whether it's walking through a portal to reach (what I'm guessing is) is a path through time and space with bottomless pits either side, discovering you can control wolves, or even be in the company of a friend who's clearly turned into a zombie..there's no reaction or anyone asking the obvious. Felt utterly bizarre at times.
Question for the book readers, are the 4 supposed to be that unlikeable? The dragon especially was so hateful I was convinced it was just foreshadowing him turning out evil.
Also for book readers, with the dark one being the ultimate evil, how and why would the rest of the Aes Sedai be oblivious and be excluded from helping save the world at the last battle?
After me moaning...annoyingly, ignoring the wooden CBBC level acting, wholesale ripping off of LOTR and original ideas such as a race of Irish sounding travellers called tinkers... I weirdly enjoyed it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 2, 2022 14:23:53 GMT
Finally got around to watching the last episode. (spoilers for that).
I'm gonna have to go with those who found it kinda underwhelming.
I found this series to be a bit all over the place. The first few episodes were ok, but *very* LOTR. Then episode 3 was terrible, but episode 4 was great. Then a couple of good episodes, and then 7 and 8 were pretty poor and ened up back in budget LOTR ripoff territory.
Of course, the LOTR similarities aren't really their fault, as they're pretty core to the book. But given how much they changed some things, it's weird that they left those in so clearly.
The editing was terrible at times, jumping around way too much and I'm sure there were a bunch of scenes that were shown out of the intended order.. in more than one episode.
The (repeated) book finales of Rand going toe to toe with the dark one were always going to be hard to film, as they're mainly internal battles of will. And it turned out that it ended up like something we've seen a dozen times before.
And yeah, if the books have one strength it's the world building and setting up all the different regions, and they skipped all that.
But I think the main flaw really was that I didn't care for any of the main kids. Moraine was great. Lan was ok. Matt was good but his story arc took him out of the last few episodes.
I'm liable to get quite into shows, even flawed ones, if I care for the characters. I didn't find them unlikeable, I just didn't really care very much.
(In contrast, the cheap-looking-last-battle in Shannara Chronicles was much more effective for me because I at least cared for the main characters, whatever the flaws of the show).
From what I recall, the kids in the books are more likeable, if somewhat generic. There's also no mystery who the dragon reborn is in the book, so the kids have clearer archetypes and paths.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 15:11:10 GMT
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In the books, there is uncertainty as to who is the dragon reborn, but it's one of the three guys and not one of the women.
In the books, Matt become steadily more and more evil and self centered as the knife does it's work. Nynaeve increasingly becomes a pain in the arse who gets annoyed by everyone. Rand spends most of his time denying that he's the dragon or that if he is that he'll not do what is expected of him. Perrin is similar in the books, but not dopey and he's cooler (not hard). Egwene is similar in the books.
The Aes Sedai are unaware / in denial about the dark one. They've heard and seen so many false dragons that this latest one (which Moraine hides from almost everyone else) wouldn't have raised an interest. They are also very much into politics and power play more than watching for dark ones.
The people in the boats are certainly in book 2 and by the time the book introduces them, they've been there a while.
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Post by Phattso on Jan 2, 2022 15:42:38 GMT
Interestingly, I never felt that it was a show about the five wooden ball aches, it was all about magic wizard lady and her ninja mate for me. As you can tell, their names have stuck well.
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Post by neems on Jan 2, 2022 16:20:43 GMT
Well yeah, Magic Wizard Lady is played by Rosamund Pike, who is also an executive producer. I suspect a lot of stuff will be altered to give her a larger role in subsequent events, which is fine as she's the best thing in it.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 2, 2022 16:28:41 GMT
There's loads to criticise, it definitely jumps too much and there's not much character development, nor are the characters likeable but somehow I enjoyed it more than I should have.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 2, 2022 18:21:30 GMT
There's loads to criticise, it definitely jumps too much and there's not much character development, nor are the characters likeable but somehow I enjoyed it more than I should have. overall, I agree. I didn't even really find that there was a huge amount to criticise for the most part and have found most of the complaints to either be exaggerated. Take the central young characters. At worst I would say they are a bit bland (particularly Rand), but there wasn't really anything that had me actively annoyed by them. The last episode was a disappointment for me, but, again, not so awful to stop me from watching when it comes back. The general beats were fine, just the execution of them that was underwhelming. Equally, I wouldn't say there was anything that I could say I loved about it. Rosamond Pike was probably the closest to something that I could say was great, but there wasn't a huge amount else that really stood out. Not seen season 2 The Witcher, but WoT definitely seemed better than that from the first seasons. I would hope that the Lord of the Rings show and the Game of Thrones prequel will be stronger than both. |
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 2, 2022 18:53:34 GMT
There's loads to criticise, it definitely jumps too much and there's not much character development, nor are the characters likeable but somehow I enjoyed it more than I should have. overall, I agree. I didn't even really find that there was a huge amount to criticise for the most part and have found most of the complaints to either be exaggerated. Take the central young characters. At worst I would say they are a bit bland (particularly Rand), but there wasn't really anything that had me actively annoyed by them. The last episode was a disappointment for me, but, again, not so awful to stop me from watching when it comes back. The general beats were fine, just the execution of them that was underwhelming. Equally, I wouldn't say there was anything that I could say I loved about it. Rosamond Pike was probably the closest to something that I could say was great, but there wasn't a huge amount else that really stood out. Not seen season 2 The Witcher, but WoT definitely seemed better than that from the first seasons. I would hope that the Lord of the Rings show and the Game of Thrones prequel will be stronger than both. I strongly preferred S1 of The Witcher to WoT but they shat the bed big time with S2 sadly, hopefully back on form with S3. |
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Post by Immaterial on Jan 24, 2022 12:26:23 GMT
As a filthy fucking casual, I've just idly watched a few episodes last night. To save me watching the rest of it, do either Xena or Hercules turn up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 12:38:47 GMT
Nope, it doesn't get that good.
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Post by Immaterial on Jan 24, 2022 13:57:10 GMT
In that case, it's a no from me, Brian.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Apr 6, 2022 18:02:29 GMT
Kind of a necro, but I thought it worth mentioning that the Wheel of Time-game has now arrived on gog. Magical FPS from 1999.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 11, 2022 12:49:57 GMT
S1 Recap/S2 Tiny Preview just up on YT:
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 19, 2023 13:25:26 GMT
New trailer of the series that costs a fortune but somehow really looks like it doesn't (the practical set of the village being the exception).
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Post by technoish on Jul 19, 2023 13:33:19 GMT
Looks alright / better than rings of power, to me.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 19, 2023 13:36:14 GMT
I'll give it a watch. Thought the first season was mostly enjoyable enough, even if it wasn't great. Besides House of the Dragon, it was probably better than the other attempts at a new Game of Thrones fantasy epic. Certainly better than The Witcher (first season at least - not seen the others). Maybe on par with The Lord of the Rings one, but I found WoT far less turgid than that.
The last episode was really bad though.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 19, 2023 13:36:23 GMT
I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been cancelled.
But hey, I'll watch more of it, why not. The second book is probably my favourite of the whole series; hopefully they can do a decent job of it. I'll probably like it more than Rings of Power.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 19, 2023 14:45:29 GMT
I'd forgotten all about that. Trailer looks ok, although I found season 1 to be rather disposable. The young cast were all a bit meh, and it was only really Rosamund Pike as Moraine that held it all together.
I forget the detail of the books, but if they're all going to start going off on their own quests it's either going to save it, or kill it. Less leaden than the LotR series, but I enjoyed The Witcher season 1 more. |
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 19, 2023 15:17:10 GMT
It's weird that Amazon decided to have two series that share a lot of DNA in Wheel of Time and Rings of Power, just seems like they should have just concentrated on one instead.
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Post by neilch on Jul 19, 2023 15:20:21 GMT
I'd forgotten all about that. Trailer looks ok, although I found season 1 to be rather disposable. The young cast were all a bit meh, and it was only really Rosamund Pike as Moraine that held it all together.
I forget the detail of the books, but if they're all going to start going off on their own quests it's either going to save it, or kill it. Less leaden than the LotR series, but I enjoyed The Witcher season 1 more. I can't remember any of the kids, just her bodyguard chap. For some reason in my memory I have the kids from Willow when I try and remember this 🤦♀️ |
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 19, 2023 15:25:41 GMT
I'm perhaps lucky in that regard, I hadn't got around to watching Willow before Disney deleted it.
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Post by oldskooldeano on Sept 24, 2023 21:02:01 GMT
Anyone watching S2? It’s business as usual with Rand al’Thor being a bit ignorant to the threats around him and Moraine pissing everyone off and not telling people of the threats around them.
New Mat Cauthon seems ok and his story line is the most interesting to me.
I did like the invaders, and Lady Suroth? Proper nutters. Overall it’s ok if you want some B grade fantasy.
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Post by technoish on Sept 24, 2023 21:22:55 GMT
Yes, I am enjoying it, although haven't watched this week's episode yet.
I really have absolutely very little clue about what is going on tho. The pre season recap was less than useless.
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