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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 28, 2022 10:58:45 GMT
I dunno, it's just the new natural cycle of the virus.
We just need to accept that some measures need to stay in place. That's what "living with" the virus entails.
At least there might be more certainty instead of this constant kneejerk swinging from "we beat Covid" to "omg we need emergency measures"
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jan 28, 2022 11:34:32 GMT
Well looks like the Zoe app thinks I need a PCR, they just asked if I'd like one. I do.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 28, 2022 11:39:49 GMT
But high infection rate with minimal hospitalisations? I don’t think plan B will be back until after the local elections. Fixed that for you. Not really. It’ll be next winter before any restrictions come back, and only if deaths start to go up significantly. Caveat being if deaths shoot ups before then.
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Post by 111 on Jan 28, 2022 12:10:43 GMT
Think it's fair to say if we expect vaccines to protect us against symptomatic infection (and thus possibly reduce transmission) we'd need boosters every 6 months unfortunately. That's a pretty big "if" - *is* anyone expecting vaccines to protect us from non-hospital-worthy levels of illness?
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Post by richardiox on Jan 28, 2022 12:39:41 GMT
Think it's fair to say if we expect vaccines to protect us against symptomatic infection (and thus possibly reduce transmission) we'd need boosters every 6 months unfortunately. That's a pretty big "if" - *is* anyone expecting vaccines to protect us from non-hospital-worthy levels of illness? I'd imagine there are people who may still assume this. And if it wasn't for the mutations the science looked like the vaccines would have reduced transmission and symptomatic disease to a point where people did assume (hope) it would "stop them getting Covid"
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Post by Frog on Jan 28, 2022 14:13:30 GMT
I remember when we were all shocked when we hit 100 deaths in a day, now we are averaging 270 a day (100 000 a year if it stayed around that) and everyone is like crack on it's fine. Amazing how quickly death becomes normalised and part of every day life.
I guess cases are quite a bit higher than what's reported though as now people are doing lateral flows a lot don't even bother with a PCR (test centre was quiet yesterday compared to previous visits). I wonder what percentage don't bother reporting the results.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 14:25:52 GMT
Although 300 a day is what you expect in a bad flu season, we just don't hear about it.
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Post by Frog on Jan 28, 2022 14:28:24 GMT
Yeah indeed, flu season doesn't last all year though and combined with pneumonia is around 30k per year.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 28, 2022 14:33:33 GMT
Although 300 a day is what you expect in a bad flu season, we just don't hear about it. We do hear about it, that’s a bad flu season after vaccinations of the vulnerable as well. If this turns into a peak of 300 a day for a few months of the year then society will carry on as is, especially as other treatments are being developed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 14:38:10 GMT
Yeah indeed, flu season doesn't last all year though and combined with pneumonia is around 30k per year. This won't be 300 a day for a year either, we're in a peak of the Omicron wave at the moment, hospitalisations and deaths are already in the way down.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 28, 2022 14:49:21 GMT
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Post by 111 on Jan 28, 2022 15:47:22 GMT
The acceptable number of deaths thing has always been a red herring. Number of deaths is what it is - it's health services being overwhelmed that is why this illness had been treated any differently than others.
Also deaths with/of is a much more relevant distinction these days than the non-argument it was at the start. There are not 300 people a day dying *of* covid, even in this mid-Omi-wave, depths of Winter peak.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 28, 2022 15:55:17 GMT
The vast majority will have Covid on the death certificate as a causal factor. That someone has comorbidities doesn't mean Covid wasn't an issue. Doctors are not going around slapping Covid on every DC to inflate the numbers
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Post by jeepers on Jan 28, 2022 16:01:16 GMT
The vast majority will have Covid on the death certificate as a causal factor. That someone has comorbidities doesn't mean Covid wasn't an issue. Doctors are not going around slapping Covid on every DC to inflate the numbers You say that but I heard they get a £10 Pret voucher each time they do so…
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Post by technoish on Jan 28, 2022 17:03:30 GMT
It's true, I heard it on Joe Rogan.
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Post by Frog on Jan 28, 2022 17:17:45 GMT
Everyone that dies in a car crash is put down as a covid death, also see skydiving accidents, shark attacks and death by overadventurous fruit insertion.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 28, 2022 17:23:21 GMT
Froggies done his research
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jan 28, 2022 18:23:08 GMT
I wonder what percentage don't bother reporting the results. LFD reporting rates in the general public continues to be at around the 20% mark.
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Post by 111 on Jan 28, 2022 19:14:26 GMT
The vast majority will have Covid on the death certificate as a causal factor. That someone has comorbidities doesn't mean Covid wasn't an issue. Doctors are not going around slapping Covid on every DC to inflate the numbers No-one said they are. My point was that the numbers with covid on the death certificate are lower than the number dying within 28 days of a positive test - not that the numbers with covid on the death certificate are somehow inflated.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 28, 2022 19:27:58 GMT
As soon as you say of/with though, you lend credence to the nutters.
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Post by 111 on Jan 28, 2022 19:40:03 GMT
I agree that 18 months of nutters using it as a bad faith argument has made it a problematic point, but when people are talking about daily deaths being above 300 (which the daily reported number has indeed been substantially) but covid on the death certificate has as yet barely got over 200, the point has gained genuine relevance that it didn't have before.
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Post by RobEG on Jan 28, 2022 19:43:55 GMT
The girl doesn’t seem too bad. She is eating and seems to have perked up since this morning. Keeping her dosed up with calpol has helped I guess.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 28, 2022 20:13:25 GMT
I agree that 18 months of nutters using it as a bad faith argument has made it a problematic point, but when people are talking about daily deaths being above 300 (which the daily reported number has indeed been substantially) but covid on the death certificate has as yet barely got over 200, the point has gained genuine relevance that it didn't have before. I don't disagree with how it's reported. But by the looks of the latest ONS stats, 77% (over a thousand for w/c 14 Jan) of deaths with Covid mentioned have Covid as the underlying cause. With such a high percentage, it seems almost churlish to me to worry too much about it.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 28, 2022 20:14:34 GMT
The girl doesn’t seem too bad. She is eating and seems to have perked up since this morning. Keeping her dosed up with calpol has helped I guess. Good stuff. Fingers crossed for the rest of you. The boy tested negative this morning, so hopefully he can get out tomorrow.
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Post by 111 on Jan 28, 2022 20:31:13 GMT
I agree that 18 months of nutters using it as a bad faith argument has made it a problematic point, but when people are talking about daily deaths being above 300 (which the daily reported number has indeed been substantially) but covid on the death certificate has as yet barely got over 200, the point has gained genuine relevance that it didn't have before. I don't disagree with how it's reported. But by the looks of the latest ONS stats, 77% (over a thousand for w/c 14 Jan) of deaths with Covid mentioned have Covid as the underlying cause. With such a high percentage, it seems almost churlish to me to worry too much about it. Again, that's not what I'm talking about though - I'm talking about the difference between deaths within 28 days of a positive test and deaths with covid on the death certificate. You're talking about then going another Russian doll down and saying out of those ones with covid on the certificate, for how many was covid the cause. I wasn't trying to question counting *all* the death certificate mentions - I was pointing out that death certificate mentions have as yet barely been over 200 in a day, so saying deaths are over 300 is misleading. Your stat, far from disputing that, means we should also discount nearly a quarter of those 200.
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Post by RobEG on Jan 28, 2022 20:49:32 GMT
The girl doesn’t seem too bad. She is eating and seems to have perked up since this morning. Keeping her dosed up with calpol has helped I guess. Good stuff. Fingers crossed for the rest of you. The boy tested negative this morning, so hopefully he can get out tomorrow. She’s now charging around with ‘covid super powers’. I think we’ll get it, but it is what it is. Glad your boy is negative now. Have the rest of you avoided it this time?
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Post by Dougs on Jan 28, 2022 21:21:35 GMT
Yeah, think so. We've all tested daily. Very weird virus, hopefully it's the impact of vaccines and previous infections.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jan 29, 2022 10:28:00 GMT
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Post by Tomo on Jan 29, 2022 10:29:51 GMT
Positivo here today. After my first day back in the office for 2 months this week. Sigh.
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Post by RobEG on Jan 29, 2022 10:38:04 GMT
Positivo here today. After my first day back in the office for 2 months this week. Sigh. Hope all is ok. The boy and I tested negative this morning. Girl seems ok, just mild cold symptoms really. Baby is a bit bunged up though so I guess she’ll be the next one down.
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