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Post by elstoof on Jan 21, 2022 9:42:56 GMT
If there’s no big wave before summer I reckon folks’ll be pushed back to the office full time by the end of the year
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 21, 2022 9:45:12 GMT
My biggest concern is that they will be leaving part of this to individual team management, my boss is very hands off, I only am in touch with him once or twice a year, he's useless but leaves you alone which is fine by me. However, he is an anti-tax conspiracy theory lunatic and has been going into the office every day despite the mandate for everyone to WFH so I can see him being a prick.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 21, 2022 9:47:38 GMT
I can see why there is a push for returning to the office as there's certain benefits to being onsite that can't be replicated virtually. Peoples productivity can drop when WFH over long periods whether it's tech fatigue, lack of space to work or family distractions. Casual workplace interaction and networking has real value to the business but also individuals job satisfaction and career but who has a casual Teams/Zoom call outside there immediate team/without specific topic? Certainly in more creative industries having a physical presence encourages quick and spontaneous idea sharing. Then there's organisational culture which has an influence on business performance and a sense of belonging. That said I'm in no rush to go back and given most of my team are in Belfast one day a week works for me. Plus I hate the commute and the lifestyle benefits and cost savings are huge. The working world has changed for most people, if I was hiring 3 years ago and someone had requested that they work from home minimum of 2-3 days a week it would have been a difficult sell, now I would expect the majority of candidates to have that expectation. Those benefits are there for some roles, on the other side people can get on with work without distraction and given enough time a lot of the other interactions will still happen just differently as people adapt. Spontaneous idea sharing isn’t that useful in a lot of jobs - either because ideas are irrelevant or there’s no chance of those ideas ever happening, that’s not always the case. There are benefits to all approaches, companies and teams need to allow themselves that flexibility and take the approach that works. Mandated numbers of days in no matter what doesn’t make much sense.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 21, 2022 9:49:28 GMT
I have to say, I have come to absolutely despise the word 'collaboration' this last two years.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 21, 2022 9:49:30 GMT
If there’s no big wave before summer I reckon folks’ll be pushed back to the office full time by the end of the year Loads won’t but a lot of companies will and well before the end of the year.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 21, 2022 9:51:18 GMT
I have to say, I have come to absolutely despise the word 'collaboration' this last two years. Ditto. All these companies seem to think teams all sat around developing loads of amazing and creative ideas all the time instead of the reality of most people turning up, only chatting socially and otherwise getting on with their work.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 21, 2022 10:07:55 GMT
I can see why there is a push for returning to the office as there's certain benefits to being onsite that can't be replicated virtually. Peoples productivity can drop when WFH over long periods whether it's tech fatigue, lack of space to work or family distractions Yes but conversely people's productivity can increase when they are more comfortable at home, in a quiet office/spare room with no stressful commute and noisy large open plan office.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 21, 2022 10:14:42 GMT
Idea sharing isn't likely invent perpetual motion machines or solve world hunger but communication and network building is essential to an organisations growth and development.
There's a misconception that carrying out your designated role function in a silo without the the "distraction" of collaboration and cross team/department interaction is the zenith of productivity.
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Post by dogbot on Jan 21, 2022 10:18:52 GMT
Won't somebody think of the Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 21, 2022 10:28:24 GMT
Hah!
Genuinely the biggest area of growth in vacancies for my old place pre-pandemic. Every project needed a fucking scrum master with their shitty pillars.
I imagine Stand-Ups and sprints must be extra painful over Teams and Zoom.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 21, 2022 10:29:10 GMT
But, like everything, it comes to good/bad management. I 'collaborate' as much if not more than I previously did and probably more effectively over teams than someone just drifting over to my desk. Management facilitates knowledge sharing sessions, encourages SMEs to speak up and own things so people know who to go to and whatnot. I dont think anything is lost.
Compare that to the frequent investigation requests I have had to bat away from managers over the last year to investigate their staff because they dont think they are doing anything. Why the fuck should I tell you whether or not they are working? How do you not know that?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 21, 2022 10:33:10 GMT
See Nick, look at that value add you where providing! Being a nark was crucial unwritten element of your job role.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 21, 2022 10:34:31 GMT
Im still a narc, I just wont narc on people using a pecking bird to keep their teams on green.
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Post by dogbot on Jan 21, 2022 10:36:30 GMT
But, like everything, it comes to good/bad management. I 'collaborate' as much if not more than I previously did and probably more effectively over teams than someone just drifting over to my desk. Management facilitates knowledge sharing sessions, encourages SMEs to speak up and own things so people know who to go to and whatnot. I dont think anything is lost. Compare that to the frequent investigation requests I have had to bat away from managers over the last year to investigate their staff because they dont think they are doing anything. Why the fuck should I tell you whether or not they are working? How do you not know that? Word. I swear, I won't miss "what time did [person x] log into the VPN this morning, please?" requests. "They've been logged into it since Monday and probably don't turn off their PC overnight, what are you expecting to prove? Do you want to see how much traffic they sent and received over it, too?" Ugh.
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Post by dmukgr on Jan 21, 2022 10:36:46 GMT
As someone who is very senior at their place of work I have found the remote meetings have helped with collaboration in terms of getting input from those that are normally drowned out in meetings rooms, especially those in remote offices who could barely hear clearly once people started talking over each other in the main meeting room.
I'm lucky that my place as left it to the department heads etc. to decide on the level of hybrid working and I'm being really flexible in my team and as a result we haven't been losing people like some competitors that I know have (mainly as they have been joining us).
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 21, 2022 10:38:19 GMT
As someone who is very senior at their place of work I have found the remote meetings have helped with collaboration in terms of getting input from those that are normally drowned out in meetings rooms, especially those in remote offices who could barely hear clearly once people started talking over each other in the main meeting room. I'm lucky that my place as left it to the department heads etc. to decide on the level of hybrid working and I'm being really flexible in my team and as a result we haven't been losing people like some competitors that I know have (mainly as they have been joining us). Are you a director?
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Post by dmukgr on Jan 21, 2022 10:38:25 GMT
Im still a narc, I just wont narc on people using a pecking bird to keep their teams on green. I don't care about seeing my guys green - in fact, I actively encourage them to block out times in their calendar that they are OOO during the day as it is frustrating trying to talk to someone who isn't there, and if they need a couple of hours to pop out and do something that is fine, just make it clear so we aren't trying to talk to you at that time.
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Post by dmukgr on Jan 21, 2022 10:40:21 GMT
As someone who is very senior at their place of work I have found the remote meetings have helped with collaboration in terms of getting input from those that are normally drowned out in meetings rooms, especially those in remote offices who could barely hear clearly once people started talking over each other in the main meeting room. I'm lucky that my place as left it to the department heads etc. to decide on the level of hybrid working and I'm being really flexible in my team and as a result we haven't been losing people like some competitors that I know have (mainly as they have been joining us). Are you a director? pffft, I miss TH14.
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Post by unrealkilla on Jan 21, 2022 10:41:43 GMT
So a major hardcore anti vaxxer red pill truther who happens to be an old friend posted on his Facebook:
Just because you take us out of restrictions does not absolve what you have done. My foot will not be off the truth pedal until the entire Covid Act is revoked X ❤️
The "truth pedal" had me rolling 🤣
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 21, 2022 10:43:33 GMT
So help me, I will continue to share crappy memes and articles from dodgy websites on Facebook until Rodger Coronavirus stands up on a podium and admits to everyone it was all a ruse.
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Post by dfunked on Jan 21, 2022 10:46:45 GMT
I had all sorts of requests for activity in SfB, number of emails sent by hour, number of times the session was locked along with the VPN logon times. How about you fuck off and manage your staff properly instead of wasting my time!
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 21, 2022 10:47:30 GMT
Word. I swear, I won't miss "what time did [person x] log into the VPN this morning, please?" requests. "They've been logged into it since Monday and probably don't turn off their PC overnight, what are you expecting to prove? Do you want to see how much traffic they sent and received over it, too?" Ugh. I just tell them to raise an HR case. Ive got insider threat, fraud and all kinds of other shit to deal with. Its not my problem if your guys are watching netflix.
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Post by geefe on Jan 21, 2022 10:51:14 GMT
Christ. I think I've landed in a bed of roses compared to some of you. I joined a team WFH and haven't physically met them. I am told management have no desire to fork out for an office in Manchester and lose the time they have commuting.
I genuinely despair for those types for whom managing people is checking they're doing things, rather than WHAT they're doing.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 21, 2022 10:57:05 GMT
That's properly mental.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 21, 2022 11:00:19 GMT
Its a big company and the requests have died down these last few months. I think the penny has finally dropped that this kind of thing says more about you as a manager than it does of your line report.
Ive probably rejected like 30 (and actioned zero) this last two years, most of them in 2020.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 21, 2022 11:06:07 GMT
Reminds me of when I first started working in the job centre. We had to input into some software what we had done with our day (i.e. number of interviews, job searches, people signed on etc). It was utterly pointless as no-one really checked and interviews were scheduled for an hour a time regardless of how long they took to actually do. The move to central govt was an eye opener in that there was none of that micromanagement, but a focus on delivery.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 21, 2022 11:08:23 GMT
Pecking bird is out, it's all about putting your mouse on top of an analogue mouse while I'm bingeing The Expanse.
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Post by dfunked on Jan 21, 2022 11:10:06 GMT
Pfft. PowerPoint in presentation mode.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 21, 2022 11:10:59 GMT
When I worked in technical infrastructure we had to keep timesheets and were supposed to do a 70/30 split between projects and BAU support. Everyone just made the numbers up at the end of the week, obviously, so when it came to doing a big restructure, they based the new teams on a total fantasy. We had more critical system outages in the first month than the previous two years combined.
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Post by puddleduck on Jan 21, 2022 12:15:36 GMT
Christ. I think I've landed in a bed of roses compared to some of you. I joined a team WFH and haven't physically met them. I am told management have no desire to fork out for an office in Manchester and lose the time they have commuting. I genuinely despair for those types for whom managing people is checking they're doing things, rather than WHAT they're doing. Absolutely. As a manager I always try to stress that output is much more important than input. Someone working 12 hour days who's overworked and really stressed isn't necessarily adding more value than someone working with a clear mind and autonomy. If it's clear what you're expecting of people and that is understood in both directions then the output is all that matters. If that's not meeting expectations on both sides then that's when conversations on performance need to start.
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