Frog
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Post by Frog on May 4, 2022 13:34:25 GMT
I'm not sure I've met anyone who voted leave that regrets it.
They just say the reason everything is shit is covid and nobody else could have done better In the circumstances.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 4, 2022 13:37:06 GMT
I do wonder how long they're going to flog that horse of an excuse? But then I guess it won't matter, it will be someone else's mess to clean up.
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Post by Dougs on May 4, 2022 14:06:06 GMT
To clarify, when I say "people" I meant everyday voting public. I include those that voted to remain in that group that didn't really know what the EU did and how it worked. I would say that there were many people who voted remain that were pretty apathetic about the result in the end, still not realising what the outcome actually meant. Not to say that info about the outcome wasn't there and in projections (although I would say national UK papers didn't mention NI with any more than a tiny squeek, if they did at all). Alarmingly, "What is the EU?" was the most googled phrase AFTER the referendum. Amazing. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 4, 2022 14:08:19 GMT
To clarify, when I say "people" I meant everyday voting public. I include those that voted to remain in that group that didn't really know what the EU did and how it worked. I would say that there were many people who voted remain that were pretty apathetic about the result in the end, still not realising what the outcome actually meant. Not to say that info about the outcome wasn't there and in projections (although I would say national UK papers didn't mention NI with any more than a tiny squeek, if they did at all). Alarmingly, "What is the EU?" was the most googled phrase AFTER the referendum. Amazing. People were sick of experts Doug's, they didn't want to be told what the EU is and what it does. They'll let someone more qualified like Boris Johnson to tell them. |
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Post by JuniorFE on May 4, 2022 14:10:43 GMT
I do wonder how long they're going to flog that horse of an excuse? But then I guess it won't matter, it will be someone else's mess to clean up. After that it'll be "the WAR" screwing things up and not letting ARE boy Boris do his thing, then it'll be something else, then at some point (hopefully) someone else will get elected and it'll be their fault... It'll never be the leavers' fault though, that's for damn sure. |
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Post by Lizard on May 4, 2022 20:12:58 GMT
I do wonder how long they're going to flog that horse of an excuse? But then I guess it won't matter, it will be someone else's mess to clean up. Forever. |
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Post by Dougs on May 12, 2022 7:05:51 GMT
Totally normal country doing normal things.
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 12, 2022 7:15:01 GMT
Something something unelected bureaucrats something something
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Post by mothercruncher on May 12, 2022 7:17:08 GMT
I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised- they make a pretence of following what reasonable and decent but feel they’re ultimately above the rules, at home and internationally.
Brexit, covid, inflation, feels like the *perfect* time for a trade war though.
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Post by askew on May 12, 2022 9:23:39 GMT
The regurgitated leftovers of that oven-ready deal sure look incredibly tasty
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Post by Chopsen on May 12, 2022 9:30:21 GMT
I find the rhetoric of "is it legal" when it comes to international agreements kind of pointless. Whatever you can get away with is whatever you can get away with. The World Police isn't going to come round if we breach some international convention. It comes down to who's got the biggest stick to smack they other guy with if it comes to an argument.
If something needs to be happen domestically, the govt can just change the law to make it happen.
Whatever it does in domestic law is irrelevant to an international counter party.
It just seems....weird to talk about it in that way.
What *matters* is the reputational effects for this, and the likelyhood that we can get away without too much damage from retaliatory action. Neither looks good in this situation. The EU as a whole is an order of magnitude bigger than us economically speaking, does more trade with itself than it does with us, and it our biggest single trading parter. The only other international power of any note that has an opinion (the US) thinks we're being pricks, while China likely doesn't give a shit.
What are we trying to achieve here?
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Post by DJCopa on May 12, 2022 11:44:38 GMT
I find the rhetoric of "is it legal" when it comes to international agreements kind of pointless. Whatever you can get away with is whatever you can get away with. The World Police isn't going to come round if we breach some international convention. It comes down to who's got the biggest stick to smack they other guy with if it comes to an argument. If something needs to be happen domestically, the govt can just change the law to make it happen. Whatever it does in domestic law is irrelevant to an international counter party. It just seems....weird to talk about it in that way. What *matters* is the reputational effects for this, and the likelyhood that we can get away without too much damage from retaliatory action. Neither looks good in this situation. The EU as a whole is an order of magnitude bigger than us economically speaking, does more trade with itself than it does with us, and it our biggest single trading parter. The only other international power of any note that has an opinion (the US) thinks we're being pricks, while China likely doesn't give a shit. What are we trying to achieve here? Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and moaning it doesn't work and needs a new peg, even though we knew the hole shape and made the peg. Instead of owning up to the mistake in making the first peg, we now shout at the shape of the hole as anything else would show we don't know what we are doing. |
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Post by dogbot on May 12, 2022 11:53:15 GMT
Rules? Britannia?
Britannia waives the rules.
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Post by Sarfrin on May 12, 2022 15:36:44 GMT
What are we trying to achieve here? A few more months in power to feather our nests a bit more at the expense of people who already have less than we do. |
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Post by senso on May 17, 2022 12:26:29 GMT
So the UK government wants to override the Brexit NI protocol despite signing the treaty accepting it less than two years ago. Also, some detail from the proposed changes:
That sounds awfully close to being in the single market. Together with postponing border checks, is this an indication that the useless twats in charge are starting to realise Brexit was a mistake and they are now trying a 'BRINO' approach?
They wouldn't admit to it, of course.
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mcmonkeyplc
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on May 17, 2022 12:28:33 GMT
We got Brexit so done it reversed it's self.
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Post by stuz359 on May 17, 2022 12:48:06 GMT
It's basically the backstop in May's deal, which the ERG faction repeatedly blocked in parliament. Amazing.
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Post by Chopsen on May 17, 2022 13:59:48 GMT
Instead, businesses would be able to choose between meeting UK or EU standards in a "dual regulatory regime". For trade in NI or UK wide? Because if UK wide companies will just lump for EU standards as it would be easier. Even if only for NI they might likely go that route. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on May 17, 2022 14:04:10 GMT
We were never realistically going to have lower standard than the EU. No matter what these fuckwits want they can't ignore our biggest trading partners requirement.
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Post by stuz359 on May 17, 2022 14:07:03 GMT
We were never realistically going to have lower standard than the EU. No matter what these fuckwits want they can't ignore our biggest trading partners requirement. Enjoy your glow in the dark fish. |
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Post by Sarfrin on May 17, 2022 14:31:27 GMT
So the UK government wants to override the Brexit NI protocol despite signing the treaty accepting it less than two years ago. Also, some detail from the proposed changes: That sounds awfully close to being in the single market. Together with postponing border checks, is this an indication that the useless twats in charge are starting to realise Brexit was a mistake and they are now trying a 'BRINO' approach? They wouldn't admit to it, of course. I don't really get it. Businesses could choose to meet EU standards anyway, couldn't they? Who's stopping them? |
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Post by manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2022 15:05:00 GMT
No-one but there's no formal way of proving it, with regards to border checks. They're proposing, effectively moving the border checks to business premises, via audit, probably.
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Post by DJCopa on May 17, 2022 15:14:14 GMT
Probably have Mogg doing the rounds, saying it's another Brexit benefit.
"Brexit has given businesses the CHOICE of using either UK or EU standards..."
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Post by sport✅ on May 17, 2022 15:18:04 GMT
In your face Juncker!
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Post by X201 on Jun 1, 2022 6:12:50 GMT
Another Brexit dividend Universities have called for an urgent resolution to a row about UK access to a major EU research programme. Universities warn of EU-UK research scheme 'close to precipice' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61644662 |
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Post by askew on Jun 13, 2022 17:17:55 GMT
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Post by X201 on Jun 13, 2022 17:24:25 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Jun 23, 2022 13:39:30 GMT
How have I never seen this before?!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 23, 2022 13:44:33 GMT
Lol at the "politicians being more accountable" part.
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sport✅
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Post by sport✅ on Jun 23, 2022 13:53:36 GMT
Thanks Dougs. I need a new screen after smashing it to bits.
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