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Post by stuz359 on Mar 26, 2022 19:56:11 GMT
But, we're winning right?
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Post by X201 on Mar 29, 2022 5:21:35 GMT
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Post by Psychotext on Mar 29, 2022 9:58:26 GMT
Womp womp.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 29, 2022 10:13:21 GMT
But they need us, right? THEY NEED US!!! |
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Post by dogbot on Mar 29, 2022 10:40:04 GMT
“Look, it was about freEeDoM, not economics, ok?”
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 29, 2022 12:23:37 GMT
Aye, all those people will have plenty of FREE! time now that they're jobless...
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Post by Rich on Mar 29, 2022 13:38:37 GMT
Immigrants can't steal your job if you don't have one.
/Torysmarts
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Post by senso on Apr 28, 2022 16:08:04 GMT
More Brexit winsWay to screw over the ports preparing for your grand vision of Brexit Utopia, Mogg.
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Post by Danno on Apr 28, 2022 16:32:07 GMT
I like the mooted stealth deregulation of childcare and MOTs under the banner of helping with costs of living as well
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Post by dogbot on Apr 28, 2022 16:35:40 GMT
An act of self harm, you say, Jake?
Fancy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 16:40:04 GMT
Paedos looking after children and cars driving around with no brake pads is an unexpected Tory bonus.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 29, 2022 4:54:57 GMT
Err.... ??
We're introducing checks that will cost British Businesses up to £1bn a year, and will be an act of self harm, but we're delaying them because they will cost British Businesses up to £1bn a year, and will be an act of self harm??
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Post by stuz359 on Apr 29, 2022 6:47:52 GMT
Err.... ?? We're introducing checks that will cost British Businesses up to £1bn a year, and will be an act of self harm, but we're delaying them because they will cost British Businesses up to £1bn a year, and will be an act of self harm?? Yeah, but he says it with a condescending confidence that you can't help but think he knows what the fuck he is talking about. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 29, 2022 10:57:46 GMT
And the implication that they're doing everyone a great service that we should all be grateful for, because they're saving us £1bn a year
JRM to the rescue!
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Post by Aunt Alison on Apr 29, 2022 10:58:33 GMT
Hm what shall I spend it on
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Post by Dgzter on May 4, 2022 5:55:32 GMT
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Post by Dougs on May 4, 2022 6:35:34 GMT
It's no less depressing than that morning nearly 6 years ago.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 4, 2022 8:04:40 GMT
As someone *outside* the EU for whom getting my wife into the country would be a nightmare, I both have sympathy and also kinda feel like 'hah, now you know what it feels like!'.
Of course, one of the (many) selling points of Brexit was supposedly that we could 'take back control of our immigration system' and that would mean the government could make fairer rules and allow a better balance of EU and non-EU families in. Of course, that never actually happened... and never made that much sense as the draconian rules were made by the UK government anyway.
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Post by dfunked on May 4, 2022 8:10:06 GMT
Take back control of our immigration system (lolz), but totally fuck up emigration for everybody.
The only small comfort I get in this is seeing red-faced gammons upset that they can't live abroad all year round now, and that wasn't what they voted for.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 4, 2022 8:18:03 GMT
"But why would the leopard eat my face???"
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Post by nexus6 on May 4, 2022 8:19:20 GMT
Because it is made of tasty tasty ham
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Post by Vandelay on May 4, 2022 11:13:15 GMT
It's no less depressing than that morning nearly 6 years ago. I find it much more depressing and it was pretty depressing at the time. I'm sure I'm not alone in that, I didn't really know what it was all about, even as a remain voter. My vote was more for just a general airy fairy it's nice to get along and work together with other people. The minor victory for leave also suggested that maybe it would be the softest of soft Brexits. I don't think many people really knew the absolute clusterfuck that it would all turn into, particularly the issues with Northern Ireland. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 4, 2022 11:25:01 GMT
At least we can say Star Trek TNG predicted the future when Ireland and N.I. unify. And they can put a plaque to commemorate it.
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Post by grey_matters on May 4, 2022 11:43:28 GMT
It's no less depressing than that morning nearly 6 years ago. I find it much more depressing and it was pretty depressing at the time. I'm sure I'm not alone in that, I didn't really know what it was all about, even as a remain voter. My vote was more for just a general airy fairy it's nice to get along and work together with other people. The minor victory for leave also suggested that maybe it would be the softest of soft Brexits. I don't think many people really knew the absolute clusterfuck that it would all turn into, particularly the issues with Northern Ireland. It was talked about a lot prior to the vote, even in UK papers sometimes. As soon as the Brexit referendum was announced Ireland started working the diplomatic channels to ensure that NI could rejoin the EU through unification with Ireland and the new entity would not have to reapply for membership. It was achieved fairly easily and quickly, given Ireland's previous support for East Germany joining the EU through the new Germany (and the UK's opposition) it was always going to be voted through. So all of this was known and expected. It just wasn't reported much in the UK because your media is shit*. *Ours is shit too, but thankfully still has an occasional brush with reality. |
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Post by Dougs on May 4, 2022 12:10:55 GMT
It was all out there. It was just badged Project Fear. A previous role was pretty close to the machinations of the EU so I was well versed, hence the immediate depression and frustration.
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Post by DJCopa on May 4, 2022 12:32:56 GMT
Same - One of my 'hats' at work was running a Europe Direct Information Centre. All the info and the vast majority were not interested.
Decades of EU = Bad in the press and from the government just too hard a nut to crack...
ERDF funding ends fully next year, I believe - really going to see local areas impacted when that money isn't replaced (another project fear fact bearing fruit).
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Post by Dougs on May 4, 2022 12:41:58 GMT
Attended dozens of meetings in Brussels, negotiated Directives and Regulations. The EU was far from perfect and some of the reasons to leave were valid (competence creep of the commission for one). But it was so blindingly obvious that we were better off inside, trying to reform than throwing a tantrum.
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Post by DJCopa on May 4, 2022 12:52:10 GMT
Attended dozens of meetings in Brussels, negotiated Directives and Regulations. The EU was far from perfect and some of the reasons to leave were valid (competence creep of the commission for one). But it was so blindingly obvious that we were better off inside, trying to reform than throwing a tantrum. Completely agree - I got to go to the commission a few times and some of the waste was awful. However, it was all wrapped in a desire (at least, for the most part) to put the EU citizen front and centre regarding values and rights. The ESIF and ERDF are going to be the biggest holes in local areas going forward - the money we contributed (which was used as a club to batter the electorate with, saying it would be used better at home directly) was never going to be used in the same way. Ah well - If we ever got another vote to re-join I wouldn't be against joining the euro, etc. Not that we'd have much of a choice - Had the best of both worlds and still wasn't enough. There's also the thought that we might not be welcomed back anyway...certainly not with the state of the government and press here at home... |
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Post by Whizzo on May 4, 2022 13:00:45 GMT
One thing I'll never forget about the initial aftermath of the vote was the Friday evening. I had taken the day after the referendum off as I knew I'd be staying up late to see in the Remain victory but I'd intended to go in later via public transport as my department was going to have a BBQ. I finally went to bed at around 8:30 Friday morning still in shock and wasn't going to bother going to the BBQ but ended up being convinced to go to get my mind off of it.
Get to work, see lots of really pissed off colleagues, a ban on discussing the vote at all (at least openly as there'd been heated arguments in the office that day) and discovering about half the NHS department I'd working in for over a decade had voted Leave. I knew one person was an ardent leaver as he'd been volunteering to push the campaign and he'd even emailed me some pro-Leave bullshit that Johnson had written, something I responded to with him being a complete liar and no-one should believe a word he said, I know, not exactly Nostradamus even then.
Since then I think even the ardent supporter has come to realise he and everyone else had been duped but they're not exactly broadcasting it.
The damage is done though and until the fucking shysters in government get kicked out nothing will improve.
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Post by Vandelay on May 4, 2022 13:27:13 GMT
To clarify, when I say "people" I meant everyday voting public. I include those that voted to remain in that group that didn't really know what the EU did and how it worked. I would say that there were many people who voted remain that were pretty apathetic about the result in the end, still not realising what the outcome actually meant.
Not to say that info about the outcome wasn't there and in projections (although I would say national UK papers didn't mention NI with any more than a tiny squeek, if they did at all).
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