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Post by Whizzo on Sept 6, 2023 9:51:52 GMT
"Delta City - The future has a silver lining. And plenty of parking."
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 6, 2023 9:52:30 GMT
I'm hoping OCP will take over Birmingham now, will definitely liven up the place. The car park company? You mean NCP? I don't remember them making Robocop but I never say never.
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 6, 2023 10:09:21 GMT
I'm hoping OCP will take over Birmingham now, will definitely liven up the place. The car park company? Dick, I'm very disappointed.
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Post by ForkHandles on Sept 6, 2023 10:39:59 GMT
You mean NCP? I don't remember them making Robocop but I never say never. I'll bail that for a Dollar!
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Post by dfunked on Sept 6, 2023 11:25:07 GMT
Fucking hell why do they even bother with PMQs... Rish is even rolling out the trusty "Captain Hindsight" sick burn now.
Bunch of utter cunts.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 6, 2023 11:48:04 GMT
PMQs is a total waste of time. No-one watches it either.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 6, 2023 11:51:24 GMT
Fucking hell why do they even bother with PMQs... Rish is even rolling out the trusty "Captain Hindsight" sick burn now. Bunch of utter cunts. Thought the same. Turned off after 2 oppo questions.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 6, 2023 11:53:44 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Sept 6, 2023 11:58:33 GMT
Man alive.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 6, 2023 12:05:14 GMT
"Well actually Captain Hindsight didn't use the material of construction so he wasn't talking about it as I said."
This is so pathetic you'd think it was satire.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 6, 2023 13:19:22 GMT
Does the Captain Hindsight jab even work when they've known about this for a decade? It's not like it's something that they didn't have the benefit of foresight for.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 6, 2023 13:28:58 GMT
It really is desperate. Is it really hindsight to point out that they were warned schools were in danger of crumbling if they werent fixed, they didnt fix them and then they started crumbling?
'You'll be arrested if you fuck that pig' *fucks pig and gets arrested* 'I told you' 'Alright, captain hindsight'
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 6, 2023 13:42:49 GMT
So the Tories' endgame is to:
1) Burn everything down on their way out the door;
2) Spend the next five years complaining about how bad everything is under Labour; and
3) Get re-elected in 2029.
The saddest thing of all is, I can see it working.
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Post by dogbot on Sept 6, 2023 13:48:02 GMT
Same as ever.
I wonder what all the absolute cunts who said "maybe it'll be different this time..." think about that.
Presumably, anything that lets them feel like they're not to blame.
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Post by X201 on Sept 6, 2023 13:48:18 GMT
I said a while ago that Labour winning the next general election may not be their best course of action.
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Post by jeepers on Sept 6, 2023 13:51:22 GMT
4d chess.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 6, 2023 13:51:53 GMT
It's why Starmer has been moderating expectations, which has disappointed a lot of people, by reining in some of the prior pledges. There's no point in promising the Earth if you know you can't deliver.
The Tories have spent the last 13 years in government saying keep voting for us and everything will be great while the country has fallen off a cliff, getting rid of the cunts won't instantly stop that but it will hopefully make a start.
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Post by Danno on Sept 6, 2023 14:11:33 GMT
I said a while ago that Labour winning the next general election may not be their best course of action. Perhaps, but the rest of us can't face or afford another 5 years of these utter bastards
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 6, 2023 14:15:12 GMT
So the Tories' endgame is to: 1) Burn everything down on their way out the door; 2) Spend the next five years complaining about how bad everything is under Labour; and 3) Get re-elected in 2029. The saddest thing of all is, I can see it working. This has always been my concern, with a particular worry being about who the absolute numpties that make up the Tory party membership will elect as leader when they oust Sunak. It is almost inevitable that it is going to be someone insane. Labour winning in 2029 is almost, if not more, important than a win next year. Just listened to PMQs. Same old, same old, but one thing that stood out was Sunak's response to Flynn, where he said that, after a revision, the UK is the fast recovering G7 nation out of COVID. I'm sorry, what? UK was slowest recovering nation before this "revision". That can't be true without some serious number fudging, can it?
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Sept 6, 2023 14:35:02 GMT
So the Tories' endgame is to: 1) Burn everything down on their way out the door; 2) Spend the next five years complaining about how bad everything is under Labour; and 3) Get re-elected in 2029. The saddest thing of all is, I can see it working. This has always been my concern, with a particular worry being about who the absolute numpties that make up the Tory party membership will elect as leader when they oust Sunak. It is almost inevitable that it is going to be someone insane. Labour winning in 2029 is almost, if not more, important than a win next year. Just listened to PMQs. Same old, same old, but one thing that stood out was Sunak's response to Flynn, where he said that, after a revision, the UK is the fast recovering G7 nation out of COVID. I'm sorry, what? UK was slowest recovering nation before this "revision". That can't be true without some serious number fudging, can it? It's right as of right now cause the ONS was the first official statistics agency to revise it's growth numbers based on new information. Once the others do that our growth will probably look shit again. So it's political point scoring, nothing more. www.economist.com/britain/2023/09/04/britains-statisticians-fix-a-blunder-and-find-a-bigger-economy
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 6, 2023 16:34:45 GMT
About fucking time, the UK should never have left Horizon (or the EU for that matter obviously) in the first place.
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 6, 2023 16:39:06 GMT
Ha, knew Brussels would come crawling back.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 6, 2023 16:42:15 GMT
It's probably how Sunak will sell it to the headbangers, "those Europeans just couldn't do without our boffins!"
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 6, 2023 16:54:51 GMT
You mean NCP? I don't remember them making Robocop but I never say never. I'll bail that for a Dollar! I’m gonna be that guy… Wrong film!!!
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Post by zephro on Sept 6, 2023 17:39:16 GMT
The problem with the captain hindsight line is that a lot of people are using their hindsight to decide the Tories winning was probably a bad idea last time.
2029 is a world away. The Tories may have gone through a total drubbing and picked a total lunatic as leader like Braverman, or Truss again. If stuff is even a bit better up against a total moron Labour will win handily. The idiots could be campaigning on repealing gay marriage, banning electric cars (after people mostly own one) and banning abortions in 2029.
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Post by technoish on Sept 6, 2023 17:44:07 GMT
First thing a labour gvt should do (as would be my advice) is be as open as possible about all the challenges everywhere, across workforce, estate maintenance, service delivery, outcomes, etc.
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Post by X201 on Sept 6, 2023 17:55:58 GMT
They need to do it before.
Play on the fact the Tories were elected on their Broken Britain policy, didn’t realise they wanted a mandate to make it worse
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Post by Dougs on Sept 6, 2023 18:46:39 GMT
I don't think that will work. It'll push swing/undecided voters to stick with their usual party imo. It's a tricky balancing act though for sure - be fiscally responsible whilst also giving hope.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 6, 2023 19:35:38 GMT
So the Tories' endgame is to: 1) Burn everything down on their way out the door; 2) Spend the next five years complaining about how bad everything is under Labour; and 3) Get re-elected in 2029. The saddest thing of all is, I can see it working. This has always been my concern, with a particular worry being about who the absolute numpties that make up the Tory party membership will elect as leader when they oust Sunak. It is almost inevitable that it is going to be someone insane. Labour winning in 2029 is almost, if not more, important than a win next year. Just listened to PMQs. Same old, same old, but one thing that stood out was Sunak's response to Flynn, where he said that, after a revision, the UK is the fast recovering G7 nation out of COVID. I'm sorry, what? UK was slowest recovering nation before this "revision". That can't be true without some serious number fudging, can it? Continuing with the Ace Attorney BS of "punish lawyers of criminals"... ![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/218/995/9f6.gif) I really hope someone gets this out of context
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 6, 2023 21:26:42 GMT
I don't think that will work. It'll push swing/undecided voters to stick with their usual party imo. It's a tricky balancing act though for sure - be fiscally responsible whilst also giving hope. 'Fiscal responsibility' is such a cop out and quite frankly, economically illiterate. Austerity just doesn't work. It was a political ideology that arose from the bocconi school in Italy in the 1920's as a way to discipline workers. Make workers jobs precarious and capital can control them. There was a paper in 2011 from Reinhart and Rogoff, which seemed to give some credance in the numbers, later, it turned out that they excluded vital data sets and couldn't use Excel. Ideology first, no real economic ideas behind it. So, to look at the expansionary austerity thesis, this is nicked, but it makes sense. Imagine you worked in Spain, you work in the private sector, your partner works in the public sector. You get instantly laid off because you have a shitty labour contract. But 'don't worry, my partner works in the public sector.' Along comes austerity, that partner has one third of their income left. I've just suffered a 60% income drop. But I have long sighted expectations, looking at the future value of taxes versus wealth transfers, I am able to calculate that just a few years from now we will have an expansion which will make the crash worth it. Buoyed by this, I run out to IKEA and buy a couch, thereby ending the recession before it starts. That is literally the logic used for peddling this stuff. Anyway, if we do some basic math to the problem, if you have an economy that has a GDP to debt ratio of 4:5 (so 80%) and you reduce government spending by 20%, then now you have a GDP to debt ratio of 4:4, or a 100%. Simplified maybe, but government spending isn't like a household. A household doesn't issue it's own money and can't invite people from other families into the household and tax them for five generations. You also get the problem of rational expectation, if the public sector is cutting, why would the private sector invest if everyone is getting poorer. Other things I've been thinking about (if you care, if you don't you are a normal human being with your own problems). People keep talking about a massive infrastructure spend on numerous projects and I wonder, ‘do we have the capacity to do it?’ In monetary terms, yes, in manpower, resource terms? maybe? We’re looking at a low unemployment rate, though many more on long term disability/sick etc… But I also think that in a services, consumption based economy we have a lot of people that are underemployed. I kind of like the idea of the State putting a floor under wages, so that people working in these low productivity service based jobs have a public option (a job guarantee basically). ‘Come work for us, we’ll pay you £15-£20 an hour. It redeploys people into much needed infrastructure projects and forces the private sector to shape up and offer higher wages themselves. Alternatively, you encourage people into upskilling. Weird but maybe investing in skills rather than penalising people for being out of work, might work? These will all be productive jobs, with taxes and national insurance and everything. The country gets better collectively. Why aren’t we doing this? The Tories think the private sector will do this through tax incentives and suchlike. To paraphrase an old saying, ‘you can lead an investor to investment, but you can’t make them invest.’ TLDR: I rant a bit, but maybe make some interesting points, austerity is a shit idea, not all debt is bad and I've had a bottle of wine.
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