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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 6, 2023 21:29:47 GMT
I like how your paragraph spaces got longer as you went on.
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 6, 2023 21:42:15 GMT
I like how your paragraph spaces got longer as you went on. Yeah, the second part is a reply to a blog I like, so copy and paste. Still think it's a good idea.
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Post by geefe on Sept 6, 2023 21:44:21 GMT
I like how your paragraph spaces got longer as you went on. That was space for his anger/ thinking to grow
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Post by Dougs on Sept 6, 2023 21:46:44 GMT
Don't disagree that austerity is shit and doesn't work, and that "fiscal responsibility" is too trite and simplistic. But the reality is, that's how it will be framed in any election campaign, bit least by the media. So Labour have to consider how best to present their ideas without accusations that the country will be even more fucked. That's just politics imo.
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 6, 2023 22:00:48 GMT
Don't disagree that austerity is shit and doesn't work, and that "fiscal responsibility" is too trite and simplistic. But the reality is, that's how it will be framed in any election campaign, bit least by the media. So Labour have to consider how best to present their ideas without accusations that the country will be even more fucked. That's just politics imo. 100% agree. The narrative in the late 2000's that the economy worked like a household budget was very powerful and it worked. My hope, is that Starmer is playing a long game, that all he is doing is staving off any attack lines the right wing media have. My pessimism, is that having courted the right wing media, that we get more of the same. More managed decline. Hope I'm wrong on that.
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 6, 2023 22:28:51 GMT
Life in prison for lefty lawyers is interesting Similar with the trans issue, how many people is this actually appealing to? Surely, even as they are down to the absolute dregs of their voter base, most of people hear 'life imprisonment for legal advice' and think 'Yeah, that probably isnt as bad as, say, rape and/or murder'. It just makes them sound insane. I just think it's all overblown really. Trans population is probably 0.1% I think it's important to acknowledge and respect them. I think the idea that the state has the right to define people is quite abhorrent. I don't want to trample on anyone's rights but I think we have bigger fish to fry (I already have counterarguments to mine in my head, it's masking a bigger issue maybe, but the argument we're having is about who is a woman and what toilets they can use is a fringe issue). My point about anger is universal and how it can be weaponised is universal Honestly, this is a fictional scenario, but Mark Blyth put it best: Imagine a guy called Gary (aged 25) from Garry, Indiana. 30 years ago, he worked in a good manufacturing job, he was being payed 30$ an hour. His job was moved to China. Gary got a job in a call centre. He was payed 15$ an hour. The call centre got moved to India. So Gary now works for Walmart for 11$ an hour. He now reads in the newspaper everyday that his job is going to be replaced by a robot (self service tills). I think this (fictional guy) has a right to be angry. This scenario is fictitious, but the reality is there, this is what has happened to people. I'd be angry too.
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Post by geefe on Sept 6, 2023 22:32:27 GMT
If Gary from Indiana is 25 and worked a job 30 years ago, I have some questions for Gary
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 6, 2023 22:35:23 GMT
I like how your paragraph spaces got longer as you went on. Inflation innit
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 7, 2023 8:28:44 GMT
Chris Pincher (Pincher by name, pincher by nature) has lost his appeal against an 8 week suspension so a recall petition could be setting up yet another Tory by-election. To think this twat was the final straw that got rid of Johnson it seems to have taken bloody ages. No need for a recall petition after all, he's throwing in the towel, by-election time again.
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Post by otto on Sept 7, 2023 8:51:54 GMT
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Post by nexus6 on Sept 7, 2023 8:54:20 GMT
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Sept 7, 2023 9:04:14 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 7, 2023 9:05:52 GMT
People like the term 'fiscal responsibility' because it allows them to be cruel and moral cowards because what you really mean is 'fuck those people in particular'.
'Im socially liberal but fiscally conservative' are two things that are absolutely incompatible. If you are the latter, you are choosing to abandon people and withdraw or not even provide a social safety net for them.
Again, its one of the things you would like to hear from labour. How actually spending money ensuring people have what they need actually grows the economy and costs less in the long run.
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Post by Danno on Sept 7, 2023 10:09:37 GMT
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Post by otto on Sept 7, 2023 10:24:26 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 7, 2023 10:57:27 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 7, 2023 14:44:47 GMT
This doesn't seem to be getting much reportage, as I've only seen it on The Guardian live blog, but looks like Tories have become so right wing that we need to revise what we consider extreme right wing.
From the blog:
Braverman tells MPs Prevent guidance being revised to stop 'mainstream' rightwing views being seen as extremist Suella Braverman, the home secretary, has told MPs that guidance for the Prevent anti-terrorism scheme will be revised to ensure that “mainstream” rightwing views are not viewed as extremist.
In a statement to the Commons, she said she was issuing the new guidance in response to a review of the Prevent programme by Sir Willam Shawcross published earlier this year.
Braverman said she was accepting what the review said about Prevent failing to distinguish between mainstream, conservative views and far-right, extremist ones.
She said:
"Ricu, the Research, Information and Communications Unit, which provides analytical and analysis products [for the Prevent programme] on behalf of the Home Office was identified by Sir William as a concern. In the past Ricu has failed to draw clear distinctions between mainstream conservative commentary and the extreme right.
"People, like [Conservative MP Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg] and Douglas Murray, express mainstream, insightful and perfectly decent political views; people may disagree with them, but in no way are they extremists. Prevent must not risk any perception of disparaging them as such again.
"From now on all Ricu products which report on extremist trends and future themes will clearly state the purpose of such reporting and be proportionate."
The Prevent programme is intended to prevent people becoming terrorists by identifying people at risk of being indoctrinated. One indicator is an interest in extreme views.
In his report Shawcross said:
"I saw one Ricu analysis product from 2020 on rightwing terrorist and extremist activity online which referenced books by mainstream British conservative commentators as “key cultural nationalist ideological texts”. The same document listed “key texts” for white nationalists as including historic works of the western philosophic and literary canon.
"A Ricu analysis product from 2019, which discussed a cohort of social media users it termed “Actively Patriotic and Proud”, listed a prominent Conservative politician and former member of the government as being among figures “associated with far-right sympathetic audiences, and Brexit”."
And, as an example of Prevent training material treating mainstream rightwingers as extreme, the report cited this document, which includes this quote.
"Just as in 1978, when Margaret Thatcher’s claim that British people feared being “swamped” pulled the rug from under the NF [National Front], the normalisation and mainstreaming of Islamophobia may be undermining support for the organised anti-Muslim far right. Why face all the social consequences of supporting [Stephen Yaxley- Lennon] when one can vote for a prime minister that calls Muslim women letterboxes or read columns by Rod Liddle, Melanie Philips and Douglas Murray that spread negative views about Islam and Muslims via the pages of mainstream publications? Maybe one reason the traditional far right is so small right now is because it is simply not needed."
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 7, 2023 14:45:40 GMT
Rishi Sunak going for the most pathetic take over a terrorist prisoner escape you could imagine. It has 46 likes vs 1.4K dislikes, can't think why.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 7, 2023 14:47:20 GMT
This doesn't seem to be getting much reportage, as I've only seen it on The Guardian live blog, but looks like Tories have become so right wing that we need to revise what we consider extreme right wing. From the blog: Braverman tells MPs Prevent guidance being revised to stop 'mainstream' rightwing views being seen as extremistSuella Braverman, the home secretary, has told MPs that guidance for the Prevent anti-terrorism scheme will be revised to ensure that “mainstream” rightwing views are not viewed as extremist. Fascism isn't mainstream no matter how much she wants it to be.
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Post by cubby on Sept 7, 2023 14:51:14 GMT
Can't believe after a year we still have her in her role after she breached the ministerial code and resigned. Not only that but she's the defacto leader in terms of policy atm.
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Post by Rich on Sept 7, 2023 16:40:50 GMT
It's depressing. She's clearly trying to position herself as the next leader once Rishi gets the boot. I'm not sure whether it's a good or bad thing that even the Tory membership aren't bat shit enough to actually let her have the job.
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Post by technoish on Sept 7, 2023 16:47:32 GMT
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Post by askew on Sept 7, 2023 16:55:34 GMT
…says a wealth manager.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 7, 2023 17:40:47 GMT
"Most loopholes for personal taxation have been closed. The real problem we have, despite all the woke gibberish that Starbucks, Amazon, whatever companies, say, wittering on, they [hardly] pay any tax in this country." Ah yes, those well known centres of the Woke, Starbucks and Amazon. Not sure about loopholes for personal tax being mostly closed. Maybe for those that are just in the higher rate of taxes, but your millionaires and multi-millionaires are likely not paying as much tax as he is.
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Post by geefe on Sept 7, 2023 17:46:03 GMT
If Suella is next Tory leader they won't win. At all. Even Tories dislike her. Same for Kemi. Best chance is probably Mordaunt or someone new.
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Post by technoish on Sept 7, 2023 17:51:58 GMT
I actually wouldn't mind if corporation tax was abolished. It's very inefficient.
Would prefer taxation of land and wealth instead.
And I'd introduce taxation of Britons abroad, like the USA does. Try fleeing to a tax haven now, biatch!
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 7, 2023 18:49:08 GMT
"Most loopholes for personal taxation have been closed. The real problem we have, despite all the woke gibberish that Starbucks, Amazon, whatever companies, say, wittering on, they [hardly] pay any tax in this country." Ah yes, those well known centres of the Woke, Starbucks and Amazon. Not sure about loopholes for personal tax being mostly closed. Maybe for those that are just in the higher rate of taxes, but your millionaires and multi-millionaires are likely not paying as much tax as he is. To be fair, he's kind of got a point on this, even though he hates statistics. So here's one, across the OECD 40 years ago Corporations paid 20% of all taxes. Today it's 2%. As for individually wealthy people, everyone just sort of focuses on income from PAYE. But Rishi Sunak has an effective tax rate of 20%, I have an effective tax rate double that. The rich pay most in taxes is true, but they don't pay their fair share as a proportion of their income. Once you take into account all the rest of the shenanigans they get up to, they may pay much less.
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Post by X201 on Sept 7, 2023 19:43:05 GMT
No laws on vapes anytime soon then…
The Conservatives have accepted a £350,000 donation from a company which sells vaping products with names like Watermelon Bubblegum and Cotton Candy Ice, despite the Government pledging to crack down on vapes aimed at children. Rishi Sunak’s party received the money from Supreme 8 Ltd in May, latest records published by the Electoral Commission reveal.
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Post by geefe on Sept 7, 2023 20:10:43 GMT
Oh ffs. It's not even a good amount to accept. They can't even do bribes properly.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 8, 2023 1:59:27 GMT
I actually wouldn't mind if corporation tax was abolished. It's very inefficient. Would prefer taxation of land and wealth instead. And I'd introduce taxation of Britons abroad, like the USA does. Try fleeing to a tax haven now, biatch! Not voting for you !
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