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Post by deekyfun on Jun 15, 2023 17:35:03 GMT
As much fun as today has been, I can't shake the dread feeling that Johnson and his cavalcade of morality-voids will continue to stink up the news cycle and shit up my mood for the foreseeable.
Until there is a serious attempt to look at defanging these populist-types I just worry that we're going to see a continual seepage of this sort of 'public servant' leech emerging from whatever wasteland they are cultivated; continually gulping greedily from the teat of power and facilitating the corrupt while improving nothing for anyone. It needs to stop.
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Post by askew on Jun 15, 2023 17:44:47 GMT
If Farage gets airtime on the BBC, Johnson certainly has more relevance if he wants another chummy session with Laura to spill the beans.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 15, 2023 17:52:59 GMT
The vote on the report's findings on Monday, Johnson's birthday, should draw out the last of the twats who support him more likely a lot of them will just not bother to turn up.
He'll keep stinking the place up for a bit longer but hopefully people will just want to consign the cunt and his shitty record to history.
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Post by deekyfun on Jun 15, 2023 18:00:59 GMT
I really hope so, but I really want this to lead to broader systemic change. I'm less confident there.
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Post by technoish on Jun 15, 2023 18:05:19 GMT
It will be hard for Johnson to ever get past the official record that he was found to have deliberately misled parliament and resigned to avoid his comeuppance. So it's not even like later on he could say he did his time.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 15, 2023 18:45:09 GMT
If Farage gets airtime on the BBC, Johnson certainly has more relevance if he wants another chummy session with Laura to spill the beans. i think he’s spilt his beans with enough women now.
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Post by X201 on Jun 15, 2023 19:02:13 GMT
As much fun as today has been, I can't shake the dread feeling that Johnson and his cavalcade of morality-voids will continue to stink up the news cycle and shit up my mood for the foreseeable. Until there is a serious attempt to look at defanging these populist-types I just worry that we're going to see a continual seepage of this sort of 'public servant' leech emerging from whatever wasteland they are cultivated; continually gulping greedily from the teat of power and facilitating the corrupt while improving nothing for anyone. It needs to stop. The next election is the Conservative’s best chance of sorting themselves out. I expect to hear complaints from Johnson loyalists that they’re not being supported well enough by Tory HQ. If you’re going to lose, may as well make the best of it and get rid of as many of the awkward squad as possible
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Post by minimatt on Jun 16, 2023 0:28:30 GMT
The next election is the Conservative’s best chance of sorting themselves out. The same was true for the US Republican party after 2020; nah we're all in The Bad Place and britain trump is following the playbook with the same results. The splenetic viciousness with which he's now attacking anyone who would call him out on his lies is quite a ramp up - what would previously have been blustered away with some half mangled quote in latin and oh gosh isn't my hair a mess and his charming erudite man of the people schtick, is now a full frontal no holds barred impugning of the integrity or competence of anyone or any institution who'll hold him to account. He will burn it all down. Monday will be informative - Sunak could have said " it's a free vote but I will be voting to accept the report and I will be paying close fucking attention to what you fuckers do". Instead he will find some extremely pressing appointment elsewhere and won't show up for it. In fact, the whole fucking lot of them will end up abstaining - the motion will pass on opposition votes, but I'll be amazed if more than a hundred tories vote one way or another.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 16, 2023 2:07:09 GMT
So will Truss and Boris be able to claim travel expenses for going to do their well-paid speaking engagements to right-wing thinktanks? Since they're being invited on the basis of being ex-PMs?
Really, opposition parties should be using this to push some concrete changes: - Requirement for the Speaker to step in when the PM doesn't answer the question. - Ability for the other side to request some sort of evidence to back up statements. - Outgoing PM honors lists should be limited in number, and should be only display titles rather than people getting into the house of lords.
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Post by Danno on Jun 16, 2023 2:23:12 GMT
So will Truss and Boris be able to claim travel expenses for going to do their well-paid speaking engagements to right-wing thinktanks? Since they're being invited on the basis of being ex-PMs? Really, opposition parties should be using this to push some concrete changes: - Requirement for the Speaker to step in when the PM doesn't answer the question. - Ability for the other side to request some sort of evidence to back up statements. - Outgoing PM honors lists should be limited in number, and should be only display titles rather than people getting into the house of lords. Plus independent outfits to handle: The ministerial code and breaches of the same MPs pay and expenses Briefings to the press and access by the press Constituency boundaries
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 16, 2023 4:08:45 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Jun 16, 2023 5:24:54 GMT
God give me the confidence of a wealthy, public school educated man, who after a brush with death, continued to repeatedly flaunt the rules. That's what I can't get my head around.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 16, 2023 5:32:03 GMT
minimatt smart money seems to be on cowardly abstentions all round. Such utter bell ends.
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Post by X201 on Jun 16, 2023 5:57:54 GMT
minimatt Sunak could have shown some backbone and stamped his control on the party by demanding everyone vote on Monday- free vote, but nail your colours to the mast. But it will be pathetic abstentions all round instead
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Post by elstoof on Jun 16, 2023 6:18:16 GMT
So will Truss and Boris be able to claim travel expenses for going to do their well-paid speaking engagements to right-wing thinktanks? Since they're being invited on the basis of being ex-PMs? Do well-paid, private speaking engagements sound like they could be claimed as public duties?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 16, 2023 6:29:10 GMT
Cynically speaking, yeah, probably.
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Post by simple on Jun 16, 2023 6:55:55 GMT
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Post by deekyfun on Jun 16, 2023 7:01:46 GMT
From what I'm reading, most tory mps are desperately trying to say nothing and play both sides of the field, rather than have the integrity they should have and just call out a bad thing as bad. Its pathetic and speaks to the systemic issues.
Of course, the fringe loonies who benefit from Johnson have no such concerns speaking their minds.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 16, 2023 9:32:58 GMT
The Mail still thinks Johnson is popular.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 16, 2023 9:58:30 GMT
The Mail still thinks Johnson is popular. The Daily Mail obviously does not look at the comment sections on their Boris online news stories. He is seemingly just as hated by their readership as he is by everybody else...
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Post by technoish on Jun 16, 2023 11:06:13 GMT
But that's driving views and views is good for advertising...
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 16, 2023 11:09:27 GMT
Supposedly he is now telling MPs that he doesn't want them to vote against the report, as he just wants to move on.
Or, perhaps the real reason is because he doesn't have as many supporters as he wants everyone to think he has and now he can claim that are lots of them but they were just following his instructions.
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Post by Vortex on Jun 16, 2023 11:14:02 GMT
Either way, the moral of the story is Bojo is a big fat liar who should just fuck off.
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Post by simple on Jun 16, 2023 11:26:05 GMT
Supposedly he is now telling MPs that he doesn't want them to vote against the report, as he just wants to move on. Or, perhaps the real reason is because he doesn't have as many supporters as he wants everyone to think he has and now he can claim that are lots of them but they were just following his instructions. Its 100% the work of a rejected man telling a woman at a bar that she’s a munter anyway and he was never interested in the first place. Boris not vandelay
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 16, 2023 11:46:47 GMT
His current supporters should support him. Just so we know who they are not because they'd get anywhere.
/makes list
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Post by minimatt on Jun 16, 2023 11:53:25 GMT
didn't he want acoba to impose an 18 month gardening leave on Sue Gray?
nah, that's alright Boris, it's only everyone else who has to comply with acoba
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Post by Rich on Jun 16, 2023 11:59:52 GMT
nah, that's alright Boris, it's only everyone else who has to comply with rules fixed
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Post by Onny on Jun 16, 2023 15:31:56 GMT
nah, that's alright Boris, it's only everyone else who has to comply with the law fixed Fixed
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Post by X201 on Jun 16, 2023 16:09:23 GMT
Dead Ringers is back on Radio 4 tonight. Can’t think what they’re going to do for material, it’s been a quiet week
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 16, 2023 16:30:02 GMT
Hard hitting stuff from Johnson's first column.
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