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Post by Vandelay on Oct 9, 2024 8:52:45 GMT
Sticking windmills on airplanes is probably not going to happen. It is the future I want to live in though. It would lead to some cool sci-fi designs! But, sure, we do need a mixture of technologies. Although there might be some climate activists that say we should all just stop flying, we aren't all going to start holidaying in Bognor or taking 2 months off every year so we can travel by boat. I'm sure some investment in carbon capture isn't the dumbest idea and the actual money isn't actually that crazy when you consider the period it covers. It is more of a disappointment that this is what they lead with. Tucked into a package of various investments (as I'm sure it actually is) is fine. It would have been nice if they had of talked about the investment in the new renewable technologies rather than just the one that is about maintaining the old way of doing things. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 9, 2024 8:55:35 GMT
Putting in into peat bogs seems like a decent option.
In fairness, the UK has done pretty well in switching from things like Coal to Renewables. (Coal: 0%. Renewables ~50%)
Though it'd have been easier without the Ukraine situation pushing up gas prices, and the tories selling off all the gas reserves. Partly just because being greener can also be more expensive, at least in the short term.
Apparently carbon capture on emission can reduce CO2 emissions from things like coal/gas power by ~90%, but also pushes up generation costs by ~60%.
Which is a harder sell when UK energy prices have already risen so much.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 9, 2024 9:24:46 GMT
I think Carbon Capture is more designed to tackle industry carbon output. Domestic supply of electricity for households will pretty much take care of it self - the grid used 50% renewable energy last year and with the lift on the ban of offshore wind, wind farms and solar will scale up pretty quickly to cover most of the other 50 %. The tech and viable business plans are already there, i don’t think it would need that much more investment. Just encouragement to get it over the line.
However, as a country we still want to have industry, like making cars for example and be less reliant on importing materials from the likes of china. We need to massively expand our grid for the rise of electric vehicles but also expand and build facilities to process and produce the materials need for those things as well other industries. Basically we want to be self reliant and sustainable and not be at the whims of Russia and China. Those things however output a lot of carbon and that has to go somewhere. I don’t know whether carbon capture is the answer but the move for it isn’t really about domestic supply of electricity it’s accommodating for industry. An uncomfortable truth is that the things we use every day practically use most of the periodic table, it uses metals, oils and plastics, and uses energy to put together resulting in a lot of carbon. It has to go somewhere.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 9, 2024 9:55:55 GMT
I'm immediately suspicious of it because my dad has been blathering on about it which usually means a Russian has been paid to push it in the daily mail comments section.
Being from t'north, he's always had a rage boner that we closed the pits down too early and he is now absolutely obsessed with re-opening them in conjunction with carbon capture tech.
'If we can't get British people to pick fruit, how the fuck are you going to get them back down the mines, genius?'
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Post by rhaegyr on Oct 9, 2024 14:34:51 GMT
How the hell has Jenrick got this far? The man has actual negative charisma.
I can only assume it's because he's the last white man standing.
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Post by stixxuk on Oct 9, 2024 14:37:03 GMT
Presumably with Badenoch and Jenrick two as the only remaining options, the tories are even more fucked than they already were?
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 9, 2024 14:38:28 GMT
Oh dear, it's nutter #1 or nutter #2 then. James Cleverly: 37 Kemi Badenoch: 42 Robert Jenrick: 41
edit: looking like there was some tactical voting on Cleverly supporters, as had been suggested may happen, to knock out Badenoch. Well that worked well didn't it James? Back to painting your 40K stuff.
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Post by The12thMonkey on Oct 9, 2024 14:38:39 GMT
Holy shit, I thought Labour were all about unforced errors at the moment, but binning Cleverly out and sending these two clownshoes to the membership? Jesus wept.
Clarification: I'm very happy for the Tories to remain irrelevant for the next 4 years, 9 months.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 9, 2024 14:38:59 GMT
Plenty of shenanigans going on I think for Cleverly to lose that much support.
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Post by minimatt on Oct 9, 2024 14:39:39 GMT
cleverly was the only one who can occasionally do a passable human impression on the media rounds so i imagine labour are thrilled with the tories choice
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Post by oldskooldeano on Oct 9, 2024 14:44:23 GMT
What a bunch of cnuts.
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Post by cubby on Oct 9, 2024 14:45:19 GMT
Bwuh, cleverly *lost* votes?? That's not very cleverly.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 9, 2024 14:46:13 GMT
That is actually fucking insane
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 9, 2024 14:47:19 GMT
So much for the Tories veering away from the lunatic right, then!
Gotta admit, I didn't see it coming.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 9, 2024 14:49:16 GMT
Stephen Bush of the FT wrote this in today's newsletter, he's probably feeling a bit smug. |
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Post by technoish on Oct 9, 2024 14:50:06 GMT
This is the best possible result for Labour...
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 9, 2024 14:54:07 GMT
Glol. You really hate to see Tory self-sabotage like this.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 9, 2024 14:55:39 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 9, 2024 14:59:26 GMT
As I heard someone say the other day, if Badenoch wins then all Labour MPs will have another thing they need to declare as a gift. I think you could say the same for Jenrick too. Posted a couple of weeks ago. I believe it was Larry The Cat's account. Fucking hilarious though. Can't believe we ever imagined that the current Tory party would actually make a sensible choice. They really are going to be toast for some time (as long as Labour don't continue shitting the bed with their comms). |
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 9, 2024 15:05:48 GMT
Not to be all Deputy Downer, but I remember being amused when the Republicans nominated Trump in 2016.
What looked like the ultimate act of self-sabotage actually turned out to be... well, I'm sure we all remember (and in case anyone has forgotten, he may have been given a stark reminder by this time next month).
While PM Badenoch may seem like the punchline to a bad joke right now, give it a few years - it may not be so far-fetched by then, if the current trend for right-wing populism continues unabated.
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Post by cubby on Oct 9, 2024 15:09:38 GMT
Shut up
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 9, 2024 15:10:39 GMT
I don't want to accuse James of doing something cleverly. But is it possible that "Reasonable."; Tories are banking on this leader not lasting and playing a long, stalking horse game. Let Psyduck take on Psyduck, no matter who wins, they'll attack each other, get confused and hurt themselves in their confusion.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 9, 2024 15:12:58 GMT
cubby I didn't say I was happy about it!
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 9, 2024 15:13:34 GMT
Not to be all Deputy Downer, but I remember being amused when the Republicans nominated Trump in 2016. What looked like the ultimate act of self-sabotage actually turned out to be... well, I'm sure we all remember (and in case anyone has forgotten, he may have been given a stark reminder by this time next month). While PM Badenoch may seem like the punchline to a bad joke right now, give it a few years - it may not be so far-fetched by then, if the current trend for right-wing populism continues unabated. Our democracy works differently to America's though and our economy isn't the fulcrum on which global finance pivots. PM Badenoch would be likely to beat PM Truss's speedrun record. |
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Post by Rich on Oct 9, 2024 15:13:57 GMT
The membership will chose Jenrick* because he's a middle aged white man. He'll be useless and most of the electorate will still have no clue who he is by the time of the next election.
*Unless they don't. In which case we get populist idiot Badenoch. And whilst she most definitely is an idiot, her populism could be very dangerous.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 9, 2024 15:17:18 GMT
Could be beneficial for someone like Cleverly to not get it this time around, but it sounds like it was definitely not the plan. General message that journos are getting is that Team Cleverly lent their votes to Badenoch so that she would be on the ballot instead of Jenrick, assuming that Cleverly was bound to go through. They underestimated Jenrick's support and overestimated Cleverly's.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 9, 2024 15:17:45 GMT
She's not even going to last two years as leader let alone fight a general election.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 9, 2024 15:17:52 GMT
Our democracy works differently to America's though and our economy isn't the fulcrum on which global finance pivots. PM Badenoch would be likely to beat PM Truss's speedrun record.
I hope you're right 
And look, I'd like to see the Tories self-destruct as much as the next person - providing the Lib Dems can get their shit together to act as an effective opposition party, of course - and if nominating K-Bad is the quickest route to that eventuality, I'll get on board sharpish. |
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Post by senso on Oct 9, 2024 15:19:17 GMT
Tory MPs have cooked that result to ensure that Jenrick wins. No way will the Tory members vote a Black Woman as leader and there was a chance the Cleverly would beat Jenrick if they were the final two.
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Post by minimatt on Oct 9, 2024 15:25:40 GMT
again i caution writing off tory members as racist cunts - they are, but they're cunts first, racist cunts second - current polls of tory party members do have her beating jenrick head to head quite conclusively - as of october 6th 53%-33% i do think we need to be wary of dismissing tories as racist cunts - I mean they are - but they're cunts first, racist cunts second. The first two female prime ministers the country has had were tory. The first lettuce prime minister was a tory. The first non-white prime minister was a tory. yep they're cunts, yep they're racist cunts. but we do have to be alive to the fact they're pragmatic racist cunts and if the opportunity to be a cunt is best served by putting aside their racism they'll do that (badenoch 36% jenrick 25% all others 13%)
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