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Post by zisssou on Dec 4, 2023 9:19:15 GMT
I didn't realise Dark City was hard to find! I'll cling onto my copy...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 4, 2023 9:21:10 GMT
Dark City isn’t, I bought that for like 3 quid on iTunes. it’s the DC that nobody seems to have.
But, yeah, you can get the disc but I have nothing to play it on and I’ve got no real desire to get back into hoarding physical media again.
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Post by dfunked on Dec 4, 2023 9:38:59 GMT
I'll be starting a fresh cardboard box of current gen disc cases to go in the loft soon. Chuck everything in a CD wallet and bung the empty boxes up there with the cobwebs and other boxes of dvds and Blu-ray's. The days of me taking pride in a shelf full of films or games are long gone, it's just unnecessary clutter to me now.
This was definitely already feeling like the last physical gen for me, regardless of the next one being forced on us or not. I'm already winding down my disc purchases and haven't got one since RE4R IIRC.
But yeah, it's scary for the future. Presumably you can still set a PS3 up with some dodgy softmods/CFW or whatever, which might be one way of handling the servers eventually going off. If Sony aren't interested in archival, the guys in pirate hats will be. Hopefully less of an issue with the PS4/5 with the change to a common architecture and BC being likely for the future.
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 9:51:07 GMT
Physical media has as many if not more challenges. Good luck finding a way to play your VHS on any modern TV. The difference is, there is a way to do it. If they remove stuff from a server, it's gone. I’d wager the degradation/damage/loss of your physical media is more likely. I understand the basic principle of not actually owning your stuff not being ideal, but the scaremongering around it relative to the realities and limitations of physical media is out of proportion. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Dec 4, 2023 10:01:32 GMT
The difference is, there is a way to do it. If they remove stuff from a server, it's gone. I’d wager the degradation/damage/loss of your physical media is more likely. I understand the basic principle of not actually owning your stuff not being ideal, but the scaremongering around it relative to the realities and limitations of physical media is out of proportion. I don't think there's any reason not to have both. |
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Post by pierrepressure on Dec 4, 2023 11:31:45 GMT
I think it's a little easier to take on the chin if your physical copy of a game or film can't be played due to compatibility issues or degradation rather than someone coming along and taking your digital ownership away from you.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 4, 2023 12:38:42 GMT
I'll be starting a fresh cardboard box of current gen disc cases to go in the loft soon. Chuck everything in a CD wallet and bung the empty boxes up there with the cobwebs and other boxes of dvds and Blu-ray's. The days of me taking pride in a shelf full of films or games are long gone, it's just unnecessary clutter to me now. This was definitely already feeling like the last physical gen for me, regardless of the next one being forced on us or not. I'm already winding down my disc purchases and haven't got one since RE4R IIRC. But yeah, it's scary for the future. Presumably you can still set a PS3 up with some dodgy softmods/CFW or whatever, which might be one way of handling the servers eventually going off. If Sony aren't interested in archival, the guys in pirate hats will be. Hopefully less of an issue with the PS4/5 with the change to a common architecture and BC being likely for the future. Yup, all my games, DVDs and Blu-rays are in wallets with the cases in the loft. The kids in particular still watch quite a lot of DVDs, definitely not getting rid any time soon. |
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 4, 2023 13:00:32 GMT
I'm still plodding along slowly backing my discs up for Plex - best of both worlds then.
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Post by zisssou on Dec 4, 2023 13:57:00 GMT
I'll be starting a fresh cardboard box of current gen disc cases to go in the loft soon. Chuck everything in a CD wallet and bung the empty boxes up there with the cobwebs and other boxes of dvds and Blu-ray's. The days of me taking pride in a shelf full of films or games are long gone, it's just unnecessary clutter to me now. This was definitely already feeling like the last physical gen for me, regardless of the next one being forced on us or not. I'm already winding down my disc purchases and haven't got one since RE4R IIRC. But yeah, it's scary for the future. Presumably you can still set a PS3 up with some dodgy softmods/CFW or whatever, which might be one way of handling the servers eventually going off. If Sony aren't interested in archival, the guys in pirate hats will be. Hopefully less of an issue with the PS4/5 with the change to a common architecture and BC being likely for the future. Yup, all my games, DVDs and Blu-rays are in wallets with the cases in the loft. The kids in particular still watch quite a lot of DVDs, definitely not getting rid any time soon. "Dad what is Samantha Fox's workout DVD?" |
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 13:58:53 GMT
I think it's a little easier to take on the chin if your physical copy of a game or film can't be played due to compatibility issues or degradation rather than someone coming along and taking your digital ownership away from you. Maybe, but I couldn’t say for sure because while the former has happened to be many many many times, the latter hasn’t yet happened to me once. Which again is sort of my point. Everything has pros and cons but in this particular discussion I see a huge amount of weight being put on an extremely rare niche scenario con of digital, with very little recognition of the extremely common (virtually guaranteed in fact) cons of physical. |
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Post by clemfandango on Dec 4, 2023 14:05:52 GMT
I sat down to try and watch Sorcerer (1977) at weekend, thought I'd rent it for a couple of quid.
Its not available to stream anywhere in the UK, which is quite frankly pathetic. This is a big reason why I have no trust in a 100% download/streaming service.
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Post by theguy on Dec 4, 2023 14:07:12 GMT
I still prefer physical, but what worries me is come the PS6 (or whenever the consoles do go diskless), if it's backwards compatible, I couldn't use any of my disks on them and would need the digital version of the games.
Unless they make some sort of accessory but I doubt it. They'll still work on the PS5 but just more convenient innit
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Post by mrpon on Dec 4, 2023 15:00:56 GMT
I've resorted to cheapo physical versions just to get new songs for Singstar since the server shutdown. With hindsight I should've bought more DLC.
For my kids. Honest.
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Post by harrypalmer on Dec 4, 2023 15:19:37 GMT
I sat down to try and watch Sorcerer (1977) at weekend, thought I'd rent it for a couple of quid. Its not available to stream anywhere in the UK, which is quite frankly pathetic. This is a big reason why I have no trust in a 100% download/streaming service. Yep. £8 Blu-Ray is really nice - www.amazon.co.uk/Sorcerer-40th-Anniversary-Collectors-Blu-ray/dp/B075SL1YN1I like physical media for films because for some intangible reason I feel like its an act of preservation and I just like having the boxes! Partly it's because I absolutely don't trust digital versions to be there forever, preserving a physical copy is more within my control, and partly I believe in a lot of cases you are getting the best (within the parameters of most people) version of the content. I enjoy what the Blu-ray houses do with the restorations, extras and artwork, they take great care and work with the original creators, which you just don't typically get otherwise. A lot of the digital films I've seen have been poor compared to the Blu-rays. Netflix tend to do a good job but often it's out of the control of the directors as to what state the film gets pushed onto the platforms. Streaming is great for dipping in and out and taking risks on what to watch, but there are certain films I know I want to keep forever and buying it digitally just doesn't do it for me. Completely different with games and music though, I buy physical if there is a good deal or I have some attachment to it, but otherwise the convenience far outweighs anything else, to the extent that I'll often pay more for the digital version. |
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 15:31:40 GMT
Sorcerer only recently became available again on Apple/Amazon so it’s surprising it’s gone again so soon. I bought it and still have access.
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Post by clemfandango on Dec 4, 2023 15:32:09 GMT
I sat down to try and watch Sorcerer (1977) at weekend, thought I'd rent it for a couple of quid. Its not available to stream anywhere in the UK, which is quite frankly pathetic. This is a big reason why I have no trust in a 100% download/streaming service. Yep. £8 Blu-Ray is really nice - www.amazon.co.uk/Sorcerer-40th-Anniversary-Collectors-Blu-ray/dp/B075SL1YN1I like physical media for films because for some intangible reason I feel like its an act of preservation and I just like having the boxes! Partly it's because I absolutely don't trust digital versions to be there forever, preserving a physical copy is more within my control, and partly I believe in a lot of cases you are getting the best (within the parameters of most people) version of the content. I enjoy what the Blu-ray houses do with the restorations, extras and artwork, they take great care and work with the original creators, which you just don't typically get otherwise. A lot of the digital films I've seen have been poor compared to the Blu-rays. Netflix tend to do a good job but often it's out of the control of the directors as to what state the film gets pushed onto the platforms. Streaming is great for dipping in and out and taking risks on what to watch, but there are certain films I know I want to keep forever and buying it digitally just doesn't do it for me. Completely different with games and music though, I buy physical if there is a good deal or I have some attachment to it, but otherwise the convenience far outweighs anything else, to the extent that I'll often pay more for the digital version. Fully agree, it would also seem that most of the directors cuts that were bestowed on us in the 2000's on DVD/Blu Ray are not available to stream, plus you got loads of extras and commentary tracks that have disappeared too. Streaming gives us less content and its no cheaper... Looks like I'll be picking up sorcerer on Blu Ray :-) |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Dec 4, 2023 15:39:21 GMT
Luckily Sony haven't pulled the plug completely on the PS3, and you can still update physical games. That's the real issue for me, in the future if I have Cyberpunk physically, and the server has gone.. I seem to remember PS3 supporting patches on USB sticks and them being easily available on Sonys website somewhere (and likely mirrored a lot now). I could be wrong but... |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 4, 2023 15:45:22 GMT
Yeah I believe that was a thing a while ago, for people who had a data cap or were without internet back in those days because tbh it was pretty common.
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Post by imamazed on Dec 4, 2023 15:57:20 GMT
Yep. £8 Blu-Ray is really nice - www.amazon.co.uk/Sorcerer-40th-Anniversary-Collectors-Blu-ray/dp/B075SL1YN1I like physical media for films because for some intangible reason I feel like its an act of preservation and I just like having the boxes! Partly it's because I absolutely don't trust digital versions to be there forever, preserving a physical copy is more within my control, and partly I believe in a lot of cases you are getting the best (within the parameters of most people) version of the content. I enjoy what the Blu-ray houses do with the restorations, extras and artwork, they take great care and work with the original creators, which you just don't typically get otherwise. A lot of the digital films I've seen have been poor compared to the Blu-rays. Netflix tend to do a good job but often it's out of the control of the directors as to what state the film gets pushed onto the platforms. Streaming is great for dipping in and out and taking risks on what to watch, but there are certain films I know I want to keep forever and buying it digitally just doesn't do it for me. Completely different with games and music though, I buy physical if there is a good deal or I have some attachment to it, but otherwise the convenience far outweighs anything else, to the extent that I'll often pay more for the digital version. Fully agree, it would also seem that most of the directors cuts that were bestowed on us in the 2000's on DVD/Blu Ray are not available to stream, plus you got loads of extras and commentary tracks that have disappeared too. Streaming gives us less content and its no cheaper... Looks like I'll be picking up sorcerer on Blu Ray :-) Not to mention that the video and audio bitrates are often far, far higher on blu rays and especially 4k blu rays than their digital counterparts. Streaming and digital purchases are great as long as you accept their limitations. For me, the reason I never invest in them is being tied down to one system/service. I don't really want an apple collection of films, and content is removed or even edited all the time on streaming services. It's a valid point re VHS, but for 20+ years now all new formats have supported DVD playback and I'd hope that'll last for a while longer yet, even until (if?) we get a new format. Digital formats are also much easier to convert as well, of course. |
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 16:06:28 GMT
Physical media are great as long as you accept their limitations, which for some reason gets completely washed over when people have this conversation.
Shelf life of a DVD before they rot is about 20 years btw.
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Post by imamazed on Dec 4, 2023 16:14:05 GMT
That's fair, and probably because these conversations happen with film enthusiasts in the first instance and they're already predisposed to accept the inconveniences of physical media without mention. Have to say, I had no idea about 20 years. I'd seen some reports of a 100 years or so, but 20 years would definitely have to become part of the conversation.
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 16:17:02 GMT
They got better as they improved the production process, but any of those first gen DVDs you got in those CD type clear plastic cases are quite likely to have rotted now. My 12 Monkeys has.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 4, 2023 16:22:02 GMT
I just don't see next gen being disc based the way some of these filesizes are going we're already onto 2 discs for some physical releases. In principle I have no issue for digital because it's so convenient the only issues I have are how prevalent the delisting of games has become nowadays. I mean you can't even buy a game like FM7, FH3 and one game that I will always cry over MvC2. Obviously those are all down to licensing issues but it's sad that games just get lost in the ether.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 4, 2023 16:32:04 GMT
I've not checked my older dvds but a stack of DVD-RW have definitely gone.
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 4, 2023 17:37:01 GMT
Digital needs to always be cheaper, tho thirds the cost at absolute maximum and the ability to download a copy for yourself should be baked in as some sort of universal system.
But, nope- we’re all marching into a digital future where we actually own virtually nothing. Everything from your car to your toaster will be gated away behind a connection and an awful EULA to some company or other. We’ll have physical objects in our houses that are valueless electronic bricks unless our details are up to date and payments current.
I hate the digital future, but I’ve fell into it this generation- with PS4 I was buying stuff that’d get 30 odd percent back at CEX- because I’ve got lazy.
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 19:23:45 GMT
Digital needs to always be cheaper, tho thirds the cost at absolute maximum. Why? |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 4, 2023 19:27:59 GMT
Yeah, the digital should be cheaper thing is a bit of a fallacy. Manufacturing costs are absolutely minimal, and cloud servers aren’t cheap, and unless you own your own digital storefront, places like Steam et al take the percentage cut just like a brick and mortar would.
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Post by kal on Dec 4, 2023 19:31:58 GMT
Yeah, the digital should be cheaper thing is a bit of a fallacy. Manufacturing costs are absolutely minimal, and cloud servers aren’t cheap, and unless you own your own digital storefront, places like Steam et al take the percentage cut just like a brick and mortar would. It’s the same logic as complaining that a vaccine only costs 10p to manufacture. You’re not paying for that. You’re paying for the years of education and hard work and testing and expertise etc etc. People moan about how poorly paid and treated devs are then also moan when games aren’t cheap enough. Funnily enough these things are directly related. |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 4, 2023 19:32:53 GMT
Also, a lot of bigger brick and mortar places have legal stipulations in place that physical and digital RRP have to be identical. There’s an irony there somewhere.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Dec 4, 2023 19:40:52 GMT
All good points to keep discs around. I’ll take my chances with entropy over any company keeping their shit together for 20 years.
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