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Post by Hanimalle on Sept 30, 2024 18:46:16 GMT
Thanks so much everyone for your advice, here's my revised wishlist following what you guys have informed me about :
CPU : AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black
RAM : Corsair Vengeance Black - 2 x 16 Go DDR 5 6000 MHz - CL30 - Ryzen Edition
Graphics Card : MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER GAMING X SLIM
Case : MSI MPG Gungnir 110R
Power Supply : MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 - Gold
SSD : Samsung 990 PRO - 2 To
Motherboard : MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI
I do have one more question, the SSD I've picked comes in two versions, one with heatsink, one without. Is it worth it to choose the version that has a heatsink as the price difference is not too excessive or is it a waste of money ? Thanks again!
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Post by dfunked on Sept 30, 2024 18:54:10 GMT
I'd say check your motherboard manual as a lot of them have their own heatsinks built in over the nvme slots and wouldn't work with SSDs with them already attached.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 30, 2024 19:01:01 GMT
Yeah, it looks like it has a heatsink on the primary M2 bay.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 30, 2024 19:02:39 GMT
Yeah that big chunk of metal between the cpu socket and the first pci-e slot is your m.2 heatsink.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 30, 2024 21:08:59 GMT
Is the case alright for air-cooling? That front looks like it constrains air intake with just the small slits down the middle & vents down the sides.
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 30, 2024 21:43:18 GMT
It's got 3 bloody massive fans down the front, so it must allow air through  |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 30, 2024 22:19:59 GMT
These covers make it look so clean, but I can't imagine they do you any favours with temperature:
White version also available.
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Post by stixxuk on Oct 3, 2024 21:57:44 GMT
If anyone has an AMD card I recommend the latest drivers, with AFMF2.
Finally, something actually impressive from AMD - driver-level frame gen that works (at least where you're already getting 70+ FPS and want to make it mega smooth - won't work so well if you've got low frame rates to begin with).
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Post by DrStrangelove on Oct 7, 2024 13:25:54 GMT
I'm currently looking at building a new PC, specifically for VR. I was looking at a 3080 but I understand that the 5xxx series is round the corner but news is non-existent and it may be a few months before the new cards are even released.
I was hoping to use the upcoming amazon prime sale and also Black Friday to stock up on various parts and components as well as the graphics card, if the price was right I'd even consider a pre-build.
I don't think I'm going to be able to afford the top end of the 5xxx series but it will possibly drive down the costs of any existing cards on the market and the 5070/5080 may be of interest depending on specification and price. I'm expecting stocks to be scarse or non-existent though, the 4090 I understand has already stopped production and prices are ramping up (of course).
Any advise on what I should do here? Is anyone else in a similar position and know any further information or if I am missing anything.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 7, 2024 13:28:33 GMT
Depends on the headset and what you want to do with it.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 7, 2024 13:30:21 GMT
If you do go for a 3080 then just try to avoid the 10GB original model. It's still a solid card, but feels a bit bottlenecked by the meagre VRAM.
I'd probably try to make do with a placeholder until the 50xx series if I were in your shoes.
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Post by DrStrangelove on Oct 7, 2024 19:08:36 GMT
Headset is Quest 3, probably wired but would like the option for wireless.
Its for general VR use, but primarily Elite Dangerous and MS Flight simulator. Suspect I'll also end up dabbling with Praydogs UEVR.
With regards to VRAM ideally I'm looking at at least 16GB.
Placeholder is not a bad shout, but I'd prefer one and done, also less faff with any possible incompatability that may arise, though suspect anything thats built now that runs a 3080 wil be future proofed.
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Post by DrStrangelove on Oct 8, 2024 11:37:29 GMT
No concesus then, which is fair enough, or maybe I'm not asking the right question.
Either way I suspect I'll stop chasing what I don't know and will probably just purchase a 3080, better to have something when I want it now rather than joining the (probable) scalping game when new hardware gets announced and released.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 8, 2024 11:56:09 GMT
Best guess is the 5000 series is launching in January. It’ll be scalpers galore at first. Only the 5080 and 5090 so far mooted, so it’s an even longer wait for the mid range cards. Best reason to maybe wait is that it should push down 3000 series prices a bit. If that does end up being a placeholder for a year or two, getting it a little cheaper will help. The better reason to wait is to see what, if any, new magic might be in the new cards. The ray denoising stuff and the frame injection were pretty impactful in the 4000 series and it might sway you. Lot to spend just on a VR machine, which makes me think there’ll be some flat screen gaming in there too. I’d hold out at least until we know what the 5000 series is about. Or, as you say, just build the most sensible spec today and then don’t think about it for another half decade. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 8, 2024 13:51:02 GMT
3000 range doesn’t support hardware AV1 encoding though.
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Post by DrStrangelove on Oct 8, 2024 18:33:23 GMT
Good points... so when I wrote 3080... i meant 4080 /facepalm
I'm pretty much am geared to go ahead and order sooner or later.
I'm not one for FOMO, its more about patience which I have. However as suggested whatever I go for (4xxx or 5xxx) I'll be pretty much sorted for a good while and VR and flat screen (a detail I missed adding) should be well covered.
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Post by captbirdseye on Oct 9, 2024 7:36:14 GMT
The 5080 isn't looking like a huge jump from a 4080 and Nvidia love to price gouge. You could possibly pick up 4080 super at responsible price during black Friday etc. I have seen pretty decent prices on the 4070 super recently.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 9, 2024 8:52:59 GMT
The spec leak is still all rumour until something official comes out but on this info alone there is such a large delta between the 80 and 90 series specs that something has to come along later and drop inbetween. It's almost like the numbers are for a 70 class card.
It has all the signs of the stunt they pulled with the 4080 12 and 16gb versions before unlaunching the 12. Except this time they're only announcing the lesser one first.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 9, 2024 9:00:09 GMT
Ordered my h6 flow case last night, new build is officially on. Just waiting to see what the 9000 series x3D chips turns out like before deciding if I go for it or the 7.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 9, 2024 9:01:48 GMT
Do we know when the 9000s are meant to be coming out? I'm holding off on seeing those to find out whether it is worth switching from my 5800x.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 9, 2024 9:08:22 GMT
End of Oct or early Nov is the estimate. Some early benchmarks for blender and cinebench have turned up and its sitting between 15 and 30% up on the 7800. Grain of salt though.
If they turn out to be dog shit, which is entirely possible then I might just transplant my stuff into the new case (which is what I was going to do anyway before deciding on an upgrade)
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 9, 2024 9:19:24 GMT
Ah, soon then. May hold off to the new year though. Often seems it can take a little time before the full picture of a CPU is fully known.
That case looks really good. I made the mistake last time of going for a Be Quiet case. It is mostly fine, but I'm now very much of the opinion that a case built for silence is not the best approach. The designs around making it quieter inevitably lead to it running a bit hotter, meaning fans run faster and ends up defeating the purpose of going for a quiet case. Far better to focus on airflow, so that you don't need to run the fans as much.
Think I will consider that case when I do a CPU upgrade too.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 9, 2024 9:32:05 GMT
I've been wanting a dual chamber case for a while but never really been a fan (lol) of having fans sitting flat against the back, seems weird when you think of where it's going to push air, plus my case is against my office wall. The fact the the fans in this sit at 45° and throws air across the GPU and CPU interests me greatly.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 9, 2024 10:27:13 GMT
Next top chip from intel is on par with 14900 but drops power req (although it states system power, not CPU). Love the first comment on the video, Arrow-in-the-Knee Lake
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Post by barchetta on Oct 9, 2024 19:32:06 GMT
I've probably jumped too soon but, mainly after seeing the specs for MS2024, this week has seen me fit another 32GB RAM and a second SN850X today. Gone Full Fibre this week too (500Mbps). Installs are really quite the thing now.
Think I need to sit down and have a word with myself.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 9, 2024 19:46:34 GMT
I resisted the urge to upgrade by freeing up 200+GB by deleting the old flight sim data folder and did a bit of housekeeping earlier. I'm a bit disappointed in myself for being so sensible!
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 9, 2024 20:42:08 GMT
I've probably jumped too soon but, mainly after seeing the specs for MS2024, this week has seen me fit another 32GB RAM and a second SN850X today. Gone Full Fibre this week too (500Mbps). Installs are really quite the thing now. Think I need to sit down and have a word with myself. hah yeah, or more appropriate they're no longer a thing cos they just happen so quickly and I've grown accustomed to it. I have an old laptop hooked to a monitor in my office so I can swap to that if I want to stream some YouTube, Netflix etc while working. I installed dragons dogma on it today so I could dip in for a quick game and the write speed of physical spinning disk severely limited my download speed. Solid state all the way for me now. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 10, 2024 14:14:26 GMT
I see possible price leaks of 5000 series doing the rounds. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they were true.
2000-2500 dollars for 32gb 5090
1200-1500 dollars for 16gb 5080
600-700 dollars for 12gb 5070
Oh and 5070 is supposedly very similar to a 4070ti in rasterisation but slightly better ray tracing.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 10, 2024 14:38:58 GMT
That's insane, if true. I was one of the numpties that couldn't get a 4080 for under £1000, so just went for a 4090 at £1,400. I definitely would not pay over £2000 for one though and I still wouldn't pay over a grand for 80 level card.
I was very unlikely to buy a 50 series card anyway, but if the normal is going to be that the only card you can get for under a grand is a 70 level then I'm probably sticking with the 4090 for some time.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 10, 2024 14:42:22 GMT
The paucity of RAM for the 80 series is a piss take as well because if we go back to normal non crazy times a 90 series was and is a rebadged Titan card not really for everyone and the 80 series was the high end flagship but obviously the 3090 broke people's minds and nvidia have massively capitalised on it, moreso with how many people bought a 4090 over a 4080. That plus AMD abandoning the high end market and now it's just insanity.
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