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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 7, 2023 13:17:52 GMT
It's worth mentioning, but it shouldn't really affect the score. If you are treating review scores as some kind of quality guide.
If the movie itself has questionable elements then sure, that should be taken into account.
The fact that the question 'is this movie any good' isn't answered by the scores makes them kinda useless.
I'm gonna have to actually read words again, aren't I? *sigh*
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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 7, 2023 17:15:14 GMT
Most reviews are saying the cast is fine and it's just the final act that becomes a bit of a mess with some rough CGI.
Oddly WB have been telling before screenings that the effects aren't finished despite it about to release.
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Post by zephro on Jun 8, 2023 18:03:07 GMT
Most reviews are saying the cast is fine and it's just the final act that becomes a bit of a mess with some rough CGI. So standard DC movie? Well high quality for a DC movie then. As even their best considered one, Wonder Woman, this would be a exact description of. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 13, 2023 5:18:19 GMT
Standard comic book movie really. Joker the last not to end in a 20 minute CGI battle?
0 surprise at this
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Post by britesparc on Jun 13, 2023 11:25:36 GMT
With The Brave and the Bold in production, I would imagine they wouldn't want another incarnation of the Bat-Family getting into people's subconscious anyway, regardless of whether or not it was good.
Speaking of The Brave and the Bold, that's a weird title for a Batman-and-Damian Wayne movie. The comic it's more-or-less based on/inspired by is literally called "Batman and Son". "Brave and the Bold" is either a jokey 50s-inspired team-up cartoon, or the utterly bonkers team-up comic book series the cartoon was based on. I know not everyone would KNOW about the origins of the title, but surely "Batman and Son" or "Son of the Bat" or something would have been more evocative for movie-goers?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 13, 2023 12:12:11 GMT
But this way they can follow it up with
2 Brave 2 Bold
The Brave and the Bold: Metropolis Drift
Brave and Bold
Brave 5 i've lost the will to continue at this point
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 13, 2023 13:25:37 GMT
But this way they can follow it up with 2 Brave 2 Bold The Brave and the Bold: Metropolis Drift Brave and Bold Brave 5 i've lost the will to continue at this point Third one should 3rave and 3old. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 13, 2023 13:26:11 GMT
How very brave and very bold of you.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 13, 2023 13:31:25 GMT
I really couldn't be arsed to look up the names of the rest of the Fast and Furious movies for a bad joke.
I assume there'd have been a Bold 7 in their somewhere.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 14, 2023 18:40:22 GMT
Well what to say about The Flash? No spoilers, apart from the last item.
Is it good : yes Is it Spider-Verse levels of good : don't be daft Is it better than Multiverse of Madness : fuck yes Is Ezra Miller completely rubbish and they should have recast him years ago as he's fucking weird? : No and yes, seriously it's a shame he's a nutjob because he is genuinely very watchable in this as two versions of the same character that are very different from each other. Is Sasha Calle any good as Kara : this Supergirl is clearly pissed off (for good reasons) and she's great, I really hope that we see her again as she deserves to come back into the DC movies as the DCEU pops out of existence. Is Michael Keaton wasted : no, he's really good and as well as resurrecting his Bruce for one final hurrah, he's the film's Doc Brown on the explanations front and makes it clear to the audience and the Barrys what's going on. Does it tie in well with Man of Steel : to be honest I think so, it's been so long since I've watched it and there's obvious differences in this planet Earth to the one in that film so any discrepancies could be put down to that. Did you OMG at a cameo like you did in Across the Spider-Verse : er, yeah, there's one that I never thought I'd see in a film and may not mean much to a general audience but if you know, you know. Is it fun and funny : yes on both counts, one of the early sequences is just utterly ridiculous on an amazing level and I'd love to see the script pages for it. There's other laughs throughout even when the whole film is trying to prevent a tragedy and it all goes very wrong. How much is it like the comic version of Flashpoint : not read it. Does Gotham looks suspiciously like Glasgow : well I've never been there (Gotham or Glasgow) but it's a bit more obvious that it's not in the US than Liverpool was when it was Gotham in The Batman. Double yellow lines in virtually every road shot is big giveaway.
Are the effects good : for the most part, some of the work towards the end could certainly have been more convincing as it's a bit uncanny but it does the job. How many members of the cast of "Goodness Gracious Me" and "Derry Girls" are in the film : one of each.
How much money will Danny Elfman be getting from the use of his Batman theme : I imagine he'll be happy, it's in it a lot.
Is there a post-credits scene : yes (a handy reminder that this isn't the last DCEU film but it probably should have been).
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Post by Derblington on Jun 14, 2023 18:55:08 GMT
Did you OMG at a cameo like you did in Beyond the Spider-Verse : er, yeah, there's one that I never thought I'd see in a film and may not mean much to a general audience but if you know, you know. I’m assuming this is Burton’s Superman ? Saw it leaked a few weeks back. |
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 14, 2023 19:02:58 GMT
You would be right in that assumption.
edit: oh and I meant to write Across the Spider-Verse not Beyond, I don't have time travel capabilities to see movies months in advance unfortunately.
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Post by Derblington on Jun 14, 2023 19:05:17 GMT
Glad it’s good. Not sure I’ll pay to see when it’ll be hitting Max in a few months though.
Will probably need that time to get the other half up to speed on all the Batmen anyway.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 15, 2023 5:08:03 GMT
What did you think of Multiverse of Madness? I need something to calibrate the Multiverse <---> Spiderverse scale
How fun would it be for kids (or anyone I guess) who haven't seen Batman any of the DCU movies except Wonder Woman?
Any more dark or violent than MCU movies?
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 15, 2023 8:41:51 GMT
I thought MoM was decent but flawed and pretty much wasted the multiverse aspects which was rather key to the whole point of the film. As for this for kids? Not really for younger ones, it's no The Suicide Squad but there's a lot of death, especially regular humans. Watching it without seeing much of the DCEU probably doesn't matter too much, watching it without seeing Keaton as Batman means missing a huge part of the film.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2023 8:43:24 GMT
This is the poster our local cineworld have up for the The Flash. I just thought it was really funny. THERES A NEW TIM BURTON BATMAN MOVIE OUT?!?!?  |
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 15, 2023 8:45:24 GMT
They really don't want you to know this is a Flash film.
The most recent trailer did seem to show more of the Flash. I don't think it was good as the previous trailer...
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 15, 2023 8:49:10 GMT
And that's the shame of it, on screen Ezra Miller does a really excellent job, this is his film and he really plays the two lead rolls better than I thought he would. It's just a shame off screen he's a fucking twat of epic proportions.
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Post by geefe on Jun 15, 2023 9:34:20 GMT
I can absolutely see this being swept under the rug if it makes money, though. Feels a bit daft and very un-Hollywood for them to make a successful film and not shit out a sequel
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 15, 2023 9:49:11 GMT
It's already been swept under the rug.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 15, 2023 10:06:16 GMT
He's done, unless there's an appearance in Aquaman 2, we'll never see Miller as Barry Allen again.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2023 10:08:55 GMT
There is absolutely no way any sane person rests a 200m movie on his shoulders again.
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Post by nazo on Jun 15, 2023 10:13:43 GMT
I haven’t seen actor names on any of the publicity they’ve put out for the film. If it’s a success, I think they’ll chalk it up to other factors than the cast being the draw and see getting someone else in as low-risk.
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Post by Binky on Jun 16, 2023 5:48:40 GMT
Well what to say about The Flash? No spoilers, apart from the last item.
Is it good : yes Is it Spider-Verse levels of good : don't be daft Is it better than Multiverse of Madness : fuck yes Is Ezra Miller completely rubbish and they should have recast him years ago as he's fucking weird? : No and yes, seriously it's a shame he's a nutjob because he is genuinely very watchable in this as two versions of the same character that are very different from each other. Is Sasha Calle any good as Kara : this Supergirl is clearly pissed off (for good reasons) and she's great, I really hope that we see her again as she deserves to come back into the DC movies as the DCEU pops out of existence. Is Michael Keaton wasted : no, he's really good and as well as resurrecting his Bruce for one final hurrah, he's the film's Doc Brown on the explanations front and makes it clear to the audience and the Barrys what's going on. Does it tie in well with Man of Steel : to be honest I think so, it's been so long since I've watched it and there's obvious differences in this planet Earth to the one in that film so any discrepancies could be put down to that. Did you OMG at a cameo like you did in Across the Spider-Verse : er, yeah, there's one that I never thought I'd see in a film and may not mean much to a general audience but if you know, you know. Is it fun and funny : yes on both counts, one of the early sequences is just utterly ridiculous on an amazing level and I'd love to see the script pages for it. There's other laughs throughout even when the whole film is trying to prevent a tragedy and it all goes very wrong. How much is it like the comic version of Flashpoint : not read it. Does Gotham looks suspiciously like Glasgow : well I've never been there (Gotham or Glasgow) but it's a bit more obvious that it's not in the US than Liverpool was when it was Gotham in The Batman. Double yellow lines in virtually every road shot is big giveaway.
Are the effects good : for the most part, some of the work towards the end could certainly have been more convincing as it's a bit uncanny but it does the job. How many members of the cast of "Goodness Gracious Me" and "Derry Girls" are in the film : one of each.
How much money will Danny Elfman be getting from the use of his Batman theme : I imagine he'll be happy, it's in it a lot.
Is there a post-credits scene : yes (a handy reminder that this isn't the last DCEU film but it probably should have been).
Who is the star of Back to the Future : Eric Stoltz Agreed with all of that. Most fun I’ve had with a DCU flick, but that isn’t a huge bar. The animation team they use is so far behind other blockbusters it’s unreal! |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 16, 2023 5:51:41 GMT
I thought MoM was decent but flawed and pretty much wasted the multiverse aspects which was rather key to the whole point of the film. As for this for kids? Not really for younger ones, it's no The Suicide Squad but there's a lot of death, especially regular humans. Watching it without seeing much of the DCEU probably doesn't matter too much, watching it without seeing Keaton as Batman means missing a huge part of the film. Darker/More violent than the MCU movies? (They've seen most of them up to and including Infinity War, and probably Endgame this weekend.) (Side Note: Infinity War / Iron Man etc... my youngest has no problem with, but half an episode of Dr Who (Eccleston version) scared the crap out of him and he now refuses to even watch it)  |
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Post by Binky on Jun 16, 2023 6:11:01 GMT
Having seen it last night I think I'd be happy for my MCU loving 9 year old to watch Flash. The DC films tend to show a bit more red blood than MCU, but it was only really seen on lips etc - not gory as such. Human life expenditure was more or less a "toy soldiers" kinda thing.
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Post by pierrepressure on Jun 16, 2023 8:45:57 GMT
Watched it last night, and thought it was a bit shit, even if you ignore Miller's off screen behaviour I can't understand why they thought adding an even more annoying version of Barry was a good idea.
Also, the CGI is fucking abysmal, it was so distracting.
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Post by Binky on Jun 16, 2023 9:12:31 GMT
I've felt that about the CGI in all of the DCU movies, so I parked it at the door and just went with it. There were times when the score (when not using Elfman's stuff) sounded like a Looney Tunes cartoon, which sort of helped me accept that I was watching a cartoon.
The main scene at the start though - were they TRYING to make that cartoony?
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 16, 2023 9:28:14 GMT
I'm not sure it could ever have been anything other than done like a cartoon for that scene, it's just so utterly daft. Trying to do it realistically would have been horrifying.
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Post by nazo on Jun 21, 2023 8:13:43 GMT
Sounds like it's flopped pretty badly so I guess we won't be seeing more Ezra. Shame.
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