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Post by Leolian'sBro on Feb 14, 2023 3:09:19 GMT
Everyone went to see Tom Cruise in Maverick. The same people will go to see Michael Keaton in this.
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2023 8:07:00 GMT
Yeah. Keaton Batman was huge. Anyone over the age of about 27/28 will be familiar with it. There were toys galore, videogames, the animated series, etc.
I wouldn't he surprised if they market Keaton as the big draw.
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2023 8:11:09 GMT
You mean like putting out a trailer that almost entirely focuses on Keaton?
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2023 8:12:39 GMT
Haven't watched the trailer
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2023 8:20:53 GMT
Of course.
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Post by Snake on Feb 14, 2023 9:00:04 GMT
Also, it's not quite the Spiderverse reality-hopping thing I was expecting. It does appear to be a very loose adaptation of Flashpoint, in that Barry goes back to change the past but something cocks up and he returns in the "Rich Biff" version of the future (so to speak), where Zod has taken over the world, there are no metahumans (so I'm guessing the "other Barry" isn't the Flash), Supergirl is locked in a government lab (like Superman was in Flashpoint), and Batman is an old(er) guy. I don't think this is even really meant to be the Batman 1989 universe. So, same universe with two different actors for Batman... How about Flash goes back in time, causes Thomas Wayne to meet another woman, Keaton is born, when Batman V Superman happens Supes says "Martha" and Keaton just doesn't care, ripping his head off... And Keaton then becomes the villain who eradicates all metahumans... |
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Post by nazo on Feb 14, 2023 9:12:10 GMT
Yeah. Keaton Batman was huge. Anyone over the age of about 27/28 will be familiar with it. Batman Returns is over 30 years old. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 14, 2023 9:22:03 GMT
People watch films that were made before they were born...especially franchise films. (See all franchises ever) Also most of us are in our late 30s, early 40s at least so I'm betting we're the target  |
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2023 9:23:34 GMT
Yeah. Keaton Batman was huge. Anyone over the age of about 27/28 will be familiar with it. Batman Returns is over 30 years old. Yes. Yes it is. Your point being? |
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Post by nazo on Feb 14, 2023 9:30:12 GMT
I don't think anyone under the age of about 40 will care that much about Keaton Batman. They'd have grown up with all the shit Batmen that followed him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 9:37:58 GMT
Batman Returns is the first Batman I watched and I'm under 40.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 14, 2023 9:38:12 GMT
I don't think anyone under the age of about 40 will care that much about Keaton Batman. They'd have grown up with all the shit Batmen that followed him. You don't think anyone under 50 cares about the original Star Wars then? OK |
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2023 9:38:30 GMT
Ok. I suppose that makes sense when you think that people under the age of 40 don't care about Connery/Moore Bond, or Kirk/Picard, or seem completely uninterested in 80s slasher movies. Or Jaws. Or Indiana Jones.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2023 9:40:52 GMT
If you think about it, it doesn't really make much sense that going back and altering the timeline would result in a different Bruce Wayne.
It could result in Bruce Wayne not becoming batman. Or batman having a different life. Or someone else becoming batman.
But what change in the timeline could alter Bruce Wayne's dna from looking like ben affleck to looking like michael keaton?
It makes sense in a multiverse context, but not in a back to the future context.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 14, 2023 9:43:59 GMT
It's a good thing this is both multiverse and time travel (probably) |
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Post by aubergine on Feb 14, 2023 10:00:31 GMT
Also, it's not quite the Spiderverse reality-hopping thing I was expecting. It does appear to be a very loose adaptation of Flashpoint, in that Barry goes back to change the past but something cocks up and he returns in the "Rich Biff" version of the future (so to speak), where Zod has taken over the world, there are no metahumans (so I'm guessing the "other Barry" isn't the Flash), Supergirl is locked in a government lab (like Superman was in Flashpoint), and Batman is an old(er) guy. I don't think this is even really meant to be the Batman 1989 universe. So, same universe with two different actors for Batman... How about Flash goes back in time, causes Thomas Wayne to meet another woman, Keaton is born, when Batman V Superman happens Supes says "Martha" and Keaton just doesn't care, ripping his head off... And Keaton then becomes the villain who eradicates all metahumans... With regards to multiple Batmans, if they go that route I’d suggest it’ll be a “escalating crisis” twist in the third act. Flash has problem. Goes back in time to fix problem. Returns to problem new future with Keaton Batman. Attempt to fix new future breaks reality. Multiple shards of reality colliding each have a different Batman actor surfing on them with terrible CGI borrowed from Die Another Day. Profit. |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 14, 2023 10:10:37 GMT
I guess on the face of it Flash going back to - I suppose - the mid-late 90s to save his mum doesn't make any sense if it was a butterfly effect that lead to everything else, including Keaton's Batman. After all, both Batman movies would have already happened, if you see what I mean.
But if I remember Flashpoint, there was other shit involved, so Barry time travelling was the start of it but there were "shenanigans" that changed a lot more stuff across the timeline.
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2023 10:19:02 GMT
The best thing about the trailer is the use of Elfman’s theme. If they had done that with Williams’s Superman theme there wouldn’t be enough tissues in the world to clean up the mess.
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2023 10:19:21 GMT
So, Back to the Future Part II then?
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 14, 2023 10:25:01 GMT
No one under 40 has heard of Back to the Future.
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2023 10:29:10 GMT
No one under 40 has heard of Back to the Future. A very good point. I'm under 40 and I've never heard of it. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 14, 2023 10:58:43 GMT
I've never heard of Supergirl.   |
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2023 11:37:13 GMT
I understand why they’ve gone down the emo route for Supergirl but I’m not sure I’m a fan.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 14, 2023 11:52:52 GMT
She may also vaguely resemble whoever they have in mind for superman
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Post by kal on Feb 14, 2023 12:02:49 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 14, 2023 12:05:06 GMT
I didn't like her not being blonde at first, but she's grown on me.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 14, 2023 12:05:13 GMT
That picture makes her arm and shoulders look incredibly thin.
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Post by sportâś… on Feb 14, 2023 12:08:04 GMT
Slim shaming Supergirl. Now I've seen it all.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 14, 2023 12:11:40 GMT
In her defence, in this it looks like she's spent most of her life in a Russian prison.
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Post by zephro on Feb 14, 2023 12:12:19 GMT
Batman the Animated Series and the Keaton Batman's mostly define my mental aesthetic for Batman still. E.g. the gothic, Art Deco vaguely timeless look of it all. Rather than just Snyder dark, in the most literal version of its just fucking dark.
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