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Post by Whizzo on Jan 26, 2023 10:29:58 GMT
I think my biggest current disappointment with the DC movies is not seeing Keaton in the cape again despite his stuff is in the can.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 26, 2023 11:24:30 GMT
Everyone who has seen is says that Flashpoint is good, but given the number of delays and reshoots, and reshoots of reshoots and apparently now more reshoots it's going to be a miracle if it isn't a mess by the time it is finally released.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 11:37:24 GMT
What gremmi said. Also, Mexico is a part of North America, not South. Isn’t Central America considered to be its own thing? I’m pretty certain Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua etc don’t consider themselves North America. They DO consider themselves North America, but even so, Mexico isn’t part of Central America, either. Central America starts at Guatemala and ends at Panama. But Central America isn’t a continent, it’s a region. It’s technically part of the North American continent. Really, if you want to speak about Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations on the western hemisphere as a whole, you can use Latin America, but calling Mexico South America is incorrect either way. It’s like Poles or Czechs will correct you when you call their countries Eastern Europe. They’re part of Central Europe. They’re Slavic nations, but geographically, they’re in Central Europe right beside Germany and Austria.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 26, 2023 14:07:41 GMT
Yeah, if Marvel wanted to reboot they'd have to have some in-story reason* why Iron Man was now played by, I dunno, Donald Glover instead of RDJ. Because we've followed the series for 15 years and invested in the story and characters who've had interconnected narratives across 30+ movies and TV series. The DC films barely pay lip service to one another outside of Snyder's direct involvement. It's probably how they can get away with The Batman and Joker, because even films nominally set in the same universe don't feel like they share the same world particularly. *I mean, they wouldn't HAVE to, but I think a lot of people would find it weird if there wasn't at least an "end" to the current MCU. Marvel changes actors in supporting roles on a whim it seems. That seemed to be the rule, at least. When they changed actors for Hulk he also transformed into a supporting character. I guess now they are going the other way though and deliberately pulling actors from decades ago into their old roles by way of a wig and a digital facelift. They had that random featured extra from one scene in Iron Man come back as a secondary villain in Far From Home for example, and also, everyone in No Way Home. But they did replace Hugo Weaving for poopooing the MCU before it took off. I bet he felt like a right idiot later, he probably pissed away a massive paycheck with his comments.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 26, 2023 14:14:43 GMT
I think he is probably doing alright. They will still have had to pay him since they used his likeness rather than just recast him.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 26, 2023 14:23:20 GMT
His… likeness?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 26, 2023 14:34:08 GMT
His likeness as in the ghost of red skulls past looked and sounded like him but wasnt. I dunno if that was the case but people have been paid for less.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 26, 2023 15:01:57 GMT
Isn't Hulk a supporting character cause they still can't make a stand alone without having to work with Universal?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 26, 2023 15:07:12 GMT
Isn't Hulk a supporting character cause they still can't make a stand alone without having to work with Universal? I believe they, Universal, own the distribution rights for solo Hulk movies and everything that entail.
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Post by Derblington on Jan 26, 2023 15:09:45 GMT
Yup. They don’t change much unless they need to, normally money, death or actors not wanting to reprise roles (which is more rare, obv.).
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Post by britesparc on Jan 26, 2023 16:05:12 GMT
Terrence Howard was recast in Iron Man 2 because apparently he was the highest-paid person in the first film, coming on before Favreau and Downey, who both took back-end deals rather than upfront saleries. Then for IM2 Howard either asked for even more money or refused to switch to a back-end deal and so, basically, was sacked.
Now, I think Terrence Howard is a good actor and all that, but replacing him with Don Cheadle is definitely a step up.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 26, 2023 16:14:23 GMT
He wanted the same as Downey got for 2 and was shown the door. They recast the sword welding guy in Thor for the sequel and I never knew until Honest Trailers mentioned it.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 26, 2023 16:23:51 GMT
Also Terrence Howard is batshit crazy.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 27, 2023 3:10:07 GMT
His likeness as in the ghost of red skulls past looked and sounded like him but wasnt. I dunno if that was the case but people have been paid for less. This isn’t a thing. They slapped Red Skull face paint on a different actor and got the different actor to voice it. Hugo Weaving doesn’t get paid for that. Dolph Lungren doesn’t get paid when someone plays The Punisher. The Estate of Adam West does get kickbacks for Batman. It caused me to look it up though, and according to Weaving, Disney tore up his original contract and made a lowball offer for him to play Skull in Avengers 3 and 4, which he declined. He did make a 180 from his original “I don’t give a damn about this character” remarks to “Oh what a lovely time we had” but maybe the lowball was Disney deliberately making him an offer they expected him to refuse.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 27, 2023 9:35:43 GMT
I could see a situation where Weaving could claim whoever played Skull in Avengers was doing an impersonation of his performance, which would potentially be another Crispin Glover situation. Personally I think if you're playing an established character from years of other media and interpretations, like Skull is, then it would be hard to delineate between "I'm doing my Hugo Weaving" and "I'm playing the Red Skull", but I've seen weirder Hollywood lawsuits.
Anyway, it's moot, because Weaving didn't seem to care.
(Just in case everyone isn't aware, Crispin Glover sued over Back to the Future II because, after he decided not to return, he felt the actor playing George McFly was doing an impression of him, which might lead people to think it WAS him, which might have a negative effect on his career; IIRC the case was settled but generally speaking you don't get actors literally wearing prosthetics to look like other actors anymore)
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 27, 2023 9:43:31 GMT
His likeness as in the ghost of red skulls past looked and sounded like him but wasnt. I dunno if that was the case but people have been paid for less. This isn’t a thing. They slapped Red Skull face paint on a different actor and got the different actor to voice it. Hugo Weaving doesn’t get paid for that. Dolph Lungren doesn’t get paid when someone plays The Punisher. The Estate of Adam West does get kickbacks for Batman. Ah, ok, you don’t understand my point 👍
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Post by aubergine on Jan 27, 2023 12:04:19 GMT
Your point is that you claimed, without evidence, that Hugo Weaving got paid for someone else to play Red Skull because he was once dressed up like Red Skull.
If you now wish to pretend you were saying some other thing that what you said, out with it, man. I have a man explaining that the Earth is flat on the other line.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 27, 2023 12:48:30 GMT
You are talking about a general recast, I am talking about using his likeness and voice to give the impression that he is still playing the role. I then went on to clarify that I didnt actually know that was a fact but they are, obviously, two different things.
In summary: good one
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Post by geefe on Jan 27, 2023 12:50:10 GMT
Middle aged men arguing about nerd shit that doesn't matter.
Classic FG
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 27, 2023 12:55:16 GMT
It could only be more classic if someone asked 'whats a DC movie?'
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Post by aubergine on Jan 27, 2023 13:00:38 GMT
You are talking about a general recast, I am talking about using his likeness and voice to give the impression that he is still playing the role. I then went on to clarify that I didnt actually know that was a fact but they are, obviously, two different things. In summary: good one I guess the challenge is then to find a single instance in movie history where someone has been paid because the studio that owns the character they played hires someone new with similar makeup and voice. or even any example remotely like what you said. Maybe Chuckston Hearst who was famously recast in “It Came From Out Your Arse”
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 27, 2023 13:06:42 GMT
Without even googling: Crispin Glover sued the makers of BTTF for literally this exact thing when they had George McFly appear upside down in BTTF2 and got a substantial settlement.
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Post by mrpon on Jan 27, 2023 13:10:09 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 27, 2023 13:11:14 GMT
Stop! This is how we lost user Goat!
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Post by mrpon on Jan 27, 2023 13:11:21 GMT
Isn't that why they went with Ross Marquand, the man of many voices, because he nailed the impression?
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Post by wunty on Jan 27, 2023 13:19:21 GMT
Stop! This is how we lost user Goat! Don’t worry. He’ll be recast and the original Goat can have a percentage of the profit.
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Post by Snake on Jan 27, 2023 13:19:41 GMT
...I didn't even notice they switched out George McFly's, though it has been a long time since I saw BTTF II.
To be honest I hadn't even noticed they switched out Red Skull either so I might not be the best judge...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 27, 2023 13:22:25 GMT
Stop! This is how we lost user Goat! Don’t worry. He’ll be recast and the original Goat can have a percentage of the profit. I guess Goat can sue if he starts talking about pretending not to know his date at a wedding.
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Post by geefe on Jan 27, 2023 14:17:53 GMT
Yeah Glover threw a fucking wobbly after BTTF and wanted the same pay as Michael Fox. So he was recast as an upside down bloke and they reused footage.
It greatly annoyed him.
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