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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 14, 2023 20:19:12 GMT
WW84 should have just been about Cheetah.
None of that wish crap. Especially the last 10 minutes.
Oh and cut the rape out.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 14, 2023 21:20:57 GMT
The wish stuff could've stayed in if they, you know, made rules for their macguffin, stuck to it and actually gave a shit about what they were putting on screen.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 14, 2023 21:36:47 GMT
I enjoyed WW2 as well. I guess I’m a monster!
I also enjoyed WW84.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 14, 2023 21:38:42 GMT
I enjoyed WW2 as well. I guess I’m a monster! I also enjoyed WW84. You are a monster if you enjoyed World War 2. |
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Post by aubergine on Jan 14, 2023 21:41:42 GMT
That is the joke, yes.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 14, 2023 21:42:59 GMT
ROFLCOPTER!
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Post by britesparc on Jan 14, 2023 22:04:03 GMT
WW84 should have just been about Cheetah. None of that wish crap. Especially the last 10 minutes. Oh and cut the rape out. The thing I don't understand - spoiler alert I guess - is why the wish couldn't have brought Steve back to life without him having to, I dunno, possess some random bloke. Even without the ick factor it just complicates the storyline. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 15, 2023 12:52:27 GMT
The wish stuff could've stayed in if they, you know, made rules for their macguffin, stuck to it and actually gave a shit about what they were putting on screen. I actually rather liked that it wasn't clear what was going on. Rules schmulz! |
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Post by kal on Jan 15, 2023 13:14:04 GMT
I quote liked WW84 even if it was just the general tone of it. It kind of felt like a crazy 80s cocaine in the writers room superhero movie with all the nonsense going on (see earlier discussion about Supergirl).
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Post by aubergine on Jan 15, 2023 13:29:34 GMT
See all that side of the movie made total sense to me, and Pedro Pascal was terrific at imbuing his Trump-inspired grifter with charisma and sympathy. The stuff with cheetah though wound up making no sense whatsoever, like they just needed someone for her to have a fight with, so she turned into a cat woman… somehow… but whatever.
People who should be watching dramas and indie films were outraged over Wonder Woman’s love interests and subtexts and stuff. I put lower expectations on my comic book movies.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 15, 2023 13:36:45 GMT
There are enough that do manage that to show there’s no reason to have such low expectations.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 15, 2023 13:42:25 GMT
Name your favourite comic book movie and I’ll explain how it’s a bunch of bullshit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 15, 2023 13:52:05 GMT
See all that side of the movie made total sense to me, and Pedro Pascal was terrific at imbuing his Trump-inspired grifter with charisma and sympathy. The stuff with cheetah though wound up making no sense whatsoever, like they just needed someone for her to have a fight with, so she turned into a cat woman… somehow… but whatever. People who should be watching dramas and indie films were outraged over Wonder Woman’s love interests and subtexts and stuff. I put lower expectations on my comic book movies. So...just because it's a comic book movie it means things don't have to matter, we shouldn't question problematic messaging and you don't need any kind of rules for your audience to follow? Right, gotcha. |
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Post by geefe on Jan 15, 2023 13:56:38 GMT
As Jambo said. I'll also add that these films have millions of viewers and, aside from the odd unexpected hit, they're somewhat aware of what they're putting out there and should probably follow that.
Say what you want about Fast and Furious but at least it's got family and diversity at the heart of cars going smashy.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 15, 2023 14:28:40 GMT
I quote liked WW84 even if it was just the general tone of it. It kind of felt like a crazy 80s cocaine in the writers room superhero movie with all the nonsense going on (see earlier discussion about Supergirl). Maybe I was fooled by the 80s setting, but ww84 felt very similar to the old Superman movies to me. Though now you mention it Supergirl might be a closer comparison.
Or maybe it's because the big bad was a slimy guy in a suit rather than some superpowered enemy to punch. Reminded me of Hackman's Lex.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 20:52:11 GMT
Name your favourite comic book movie and I’ll explain how it’s a bunch of bullshit. Go on. Spider man homecoming. And just to trigger a few people, destroy the original Superman. |
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Post by aubergine on Jan 15, 2023 21:39:29 GMT
Name your favourite comic book movie and I’ll explain how it’s a bunch of bullshit. Go on. Spider man homecoming. And just to trigger a few people, destroy the original Superman. All movies rely on unlikely coincidence to some degree, but the absolute, epic coincidence of (the major spoiler of the movie) is absolute, epic bullshit. It allows for a great scene or two, especially the car ride, but fucking hell, what bullshit. I roared with laughter in the theatre at the sheer audacity of it, I really liked it, but it’s total bullshit. I could watch the movie again to find more, but it would mostly be “no one notices his secret identity” stuff. It’s a great movie generally. I DID put the boot into Superman (the character) a few weeks back I think. I’ll just add, from the 70s movie, the stuff with him turning back time is fucking nonsense for a start, and they were right to sack Richard Donner from the sequel for wanting to do that ending twice. The movie is generally cartoony and unrealistic by design, but if it were released today, neckbeards would be raging over how exactly he changes clothes so fast. Where do his Clark Kent clothes go? Why would Lex Luthor have a henchman who is a total buffoon? How does no one notice Clark’s secret identity blah blah. What are the rules? |
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Post by geefe on Jan 15, 2023 21:47:28 GMT
The rules are it's a fucking Superman movie from the 70s. I don't even like it or the character but I accept it's just a dumb, feelgood movie about a dude who is nice and has superpowers.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 15, 2023 22:03:29 GMT
Turning back time wouldn’t have happened twice if Donner stuck with it. Supes 1 and 2 were filmed back to back, and it was decided extremely late into filming that the big climax of turning back time was going to be in Supes 1 instead of 2 as they weren’t sure if Supes 2 would even happen if 1 was a bomb, despite having it practically complete, and so didn’t want a cliffhanger ending that led into 2 (the final missile setting them free from the Phantom Zone). What we ended up with in the Donner Cut is basically Donner’s vision prior to that pivot.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 16, 2023 0:55:01 GMT
Turning back time wouldn’t have happened twice if Donner stuck with it. Supes 1 and 2 were filmed back to back, and it was decided extremely late into filming that the big climax of turning back time was going to be in Supes 1 instead of 2 as they weren’t sure if Supes 2 would even happen if 1 was a bomb, despite having it practically complete, and so didn’t want a cliffhanger ending that led into 2 (the final missile setting them free from the Phantom Zone). What we ended up with in the Donner Cut is basically Donner’s vision prior to that pivot. So what was the original cliffhanger meant to be? He turns back time at the end of 1 to save Lois Lane. Or are you saying he originally was just going to conventionally “save her just in time” and the cliffhanger would be ZodCo being released? At any rate, in both cases I’ve an easier time accepting he erases Lois’ memory with a magic kiss than reversing the rotation of the Earth, which would simply be an extinction event. I thought the “rules” in WW84 were clear enough. PedroTrump has to con people into making wishes for him because he can’t make a wish more than once. It probably abandons that later as shit gets totally out of hand, and the power of Love saves everything because Love trope. I forget the details. I was only disappointed with how little Cheetah’s story added up, with that leap to… she’s just a Cheetah now… |
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Post by 😎 on Jan 16, 2023 1:15:25 GMT
Yeah, the ending was basically the intro to Donner Cut of 2, he saves the day without the whole Lois dying stuff, but the nuke sets Zod and co free from the Phantom Zone. They fly towards earth, fade to black, roll credits. If it were made today it would be a post credits stinger.
Ultimately the Donner Cut is more of a curio than anything, it’s like an even jankier version of the extended LotR movies, lots of fan pleasing stuff but narratively awkward and not hugely cohesive. Part of that is shoehorning ropey test footage in places and some very bad CG and voice impersonators, but even then it makes up for a lot of the Lester version’s shortcomings, and I say that as someone who wore out a VHS of 2 when I was a kid.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 16, 2023 12:30:21 GMT
Name your favourite comic book movie and I’ll explain how it’s a bunch of bullshit. Name anything and I’ll explain the same. Why? |
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Post by aubergine on Jan 16, 2023 13:50:07 GMT
There are enough that do manage that to show there’s no reason to have such low expectations. Why? Because people piss the bed over one comic book movie but not the rest, on terms that none live up to. The whole outrage over BvS just made me glad I’m not that invested in DC, I enjoyed the movie for what it was. Liked that guy as Batman. Wonder Woman was great. Superman continued to be the bland but edible paste he always has been when not elevated by Christoper Reeve. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 16, 2023 14:01:55 GMT
What was the whole outrage over BvS? If it was that it was a shit movie then, yeah, I agree.
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Post by geefe on Jan 16, 2023 14:02:46 GMT
Just to clarify... BvS - ok Superman 78 - not ok  |
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Post by aubergine on Jan 16, 2023 14:17:11 GMT
Superman and Superman 2 are great movies.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 16, 2023 14:21:04 GMT
What was the whole outrage over BvS? If it was that it was a shit movie then, yeah, I agree. You might not be old enough to remember. The internet neckbearding over BvS was off the scale. It only seems like nothing in hindsight after Justice League came along and people somehow successfully demanded a second version of it. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 16, 2023 14:31:56 GMT
Right...
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Post by geefe on Jan 16, 2023 14:32:37 GMT
Yeah, Jambo, you young whipper snapper
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 16, 2023 15:32:23 GMT
BvS is the example you’re going for? It got awful reviews at the time and only a small loud group of people bang on about it being good. At best most claim it had one good fight scene (that lasts about 30 seconds).
Seems a bit strange to claim a whole genre of action related films are shit compared to weird indie films and then talk about BvS like that’s some universally agreed high point.
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