DC Films

It was a terrible movie all around, but I liked Henry.

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Glol. I was also unaware she's left the project completely.

I’m not saying Superman is all bad, just that he’s the worst comics character ever, going all the way back to his beginnings.

Contrast him, if you will, to the best comics character ever, Batman. I used to have this awesome trade paperback of Batman strips from like the 40s or something, and they were genuinely Detective Comics, and he’d solve the day through wit, then punch some cunt out at the end.

Superman would just invent some bullshit new thing he could do in every frame. “My Super-hearing allows me to summon SuperBees by attuning the frequency of their buzzing with my SuperHumming! But first I’ll stop time!” It seemed aimed at tiny children who’d swallow anything.

Obviously the 60s Batman show was similar, with Shark Repellent at hand when needed, but the 60s show was going against established norms for Batman and is awesome anyway. He still didn’t regularly whip out a laundry list of stupid new powers when the writers couldn’t be bothered having him think his way out of something.

“Ah!” you may say “but Superman has been so much more developed than he was 80 years ago!” and that’s fair, BUT, he’s still a cunt. CASE CLOSED.

Seriously though, while I guess there’s stuff to explore with a god-man character whose only real weakness is the people he cares for, I’ve always felt the reason he endures is because he’s the most basic-bitch child’s power-fantasy ever come up with. He can do anything! He’s handsome! He dresses in a barely-disguised American flag! And, like America, and Jesus, he’s coming to save us!

He’s also the honour of having the single most impossible to accept feature of any comic book character ever: that no one notices Clark Kent is Superman. This will NEVER elevate above 60s Batman TV levels of wackiness, it’s fucking absurd, and if you come at me with something like “but Alan Moore said that he uses quantum defribulation in his super-nostrils to bend light and literally looks different to other people when Clark Kent” I swear my disdain will travel back in time and destroy you in the crib, which is a power I just made up but this is a lot of disdain I’m talking about here.

I don’t think people who like the character should feel ashamed or anything, just accept that he’s the worst of all comic book characters. It goes Batman < every Marvel character < Superman.

If you’re arguing that Supes is literally the worst of all comic characters with no hyperbole, then all that really shows is you know very little about comics.

All this Superman talk is making me want to go back and re-read some of his comics. Might dig out Secret Origin later, that's always a good one.

Squirrel Girl is ace.

Spider-man on the other hand, I'll never get the love.

I’ll qualify that it’s characters that headline an actual book. It would be too easy to hold up some one-issue villain, but even then, I’d have to check. With the right writer, Polka-Dot Man was a better character than Superman. You could then argue that a good writer could make Superman good, ut you’d be wrong. He’s fundamentally the worst character.

Anyway, agree to disagree and all that.

Yeah, Aquaman is shit, waaaaay shitter than Superman.

I mean, Batman is really the only DC hero that most would put above Superman. Maybe a few would have Wonder Woman. But beyond that you’ve got about twenty or so mainstream heroes and a few hundred lower tier that are almost without debate shitter than Superman.

People are entitled to their opinions, but honestly, that’s a terrible one.

I’ve never really liked Batman for the similar reasons to why I didn’t really dig SM: Miles Morales. The strong ‘who asked you?’ vibes that make you empathise with the criminals.

Superman fights supervillains because who else can? Batman is just a busybody who likes beating normal dudes up. Get a job.

And stop exploiting children.

That is Sally Acorn, Chimpunk Freedom Fighter, sir!

It is a funny post with the Sonic avatar, as you’ve pointed out, but I’ve never liked the “comedy character WITH THE POWER TO DESTROY THE UNIVERSE” gimmick they gave her.

I like funny banter between characters, but I’m not a fan of characters created just to be comedic. Not a fan of Deadpool either, for that reason.

Peter David wrote Aquaman, gave him a beard and a hook-hand, and it was great. He’s got a real talent for taking characters that sound terrible, like Hulk, and giving a great valance of drama and comedy to them that’s very humanising. Aquaman generally sounds like a straight-to-video knock-off of Namor, but I enjoyed what I read of the Peter David run.

I'm not a comic reader but Superman is by far my favourite superhero.

The latest iterations of the films have all focused on him being an Alien with super powers with the carnage that comes with it.

The TV series focus more on the development of an orphan immigrant who's trying to understand his place in the world and reconcile two seeming conflicting heritages. That "deeper" character is what what really makes Superman my favourite super hero.

It would be nice if someone could make a film that encompasses the deeper character and the action.

MoS started off so promising and then descended into chaos. I still love the film but it was also disappointing.