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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 9, 2022 8:26:16 GMT
I'm a bit weirded out by everyone apparently thinking Cavil was great as superman.
He always seemed pretty bland to me, cast based on his looks alone.
Then again, the movies were terrible, so it's hard to know how much was his fault.
I liked him in The Witcher and he seems like a nice bloke.
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Post by Derblington on Dec 9, 2022 8:28:13 GMT
I liked WW84. I'd rather have another of her movies than a lot of the generic stuff. It might have flaws, but it's interesting. No it’s not. It’s straight garbage. |
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Post by kal on Dec 9, 2022 8:31:15 GMT
His Clark has none of the warmth, charm or charisma of Reeves’, but his Supes is fine.
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Post by geefe on Dec 9, 2022 8:31:46 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Dec 9, 2022 8:33:35 GMT
Yeah every tweet by Gunn now just gets flooded with bring back Snyder, finish Snyders vision and so on.
They got what they wanted which was The Snyder cut and while it was mostly fine(cut about 30 minutes) the stats showed not many actually finished it on HBO.
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Post by Happenstance on Dec 9, 2022 8:58:15 GMT
Unfortunately this was always going to happen. The Snyder fans got their way by getting the Snyder cut so now know that throwing abuse at people works so they'll keep doing it.
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Post by beastmaster on Dec 9, 2022 9:15:30 GMT
Shitcan the lot and start afresh! Although I wouldn't mind seeing the Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 9:20:36 GMT
His Clark has none of the warmth, charm or charisma of Reeves’, but his Supes is fine. spoilers, but they actually are the same person. Clark Kent is Superman just with glasses. |
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 9, 2022 9:32:23 GMT
I liked WW84. I'd rather have another of her movies than a lot of the generic stuff. It might have flaws, but it's interesting. Same. I liked it quite a bit. It had a bit of an old school vibe to it, closer to the Superman films of old than the more modern superhero films. The Kristen Wiig arc was poor, but the rest was enjoyable. The first was better, but it was still a fun time and certainly not the dumpster fire that some portray it as. I'm sure critically it was received reasonably well (not great, but not terrible). The internet has decided it was shit though, so that seems to be the narrative now. |
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Post by kal on Dec 9, 2022 9:49:00 GMT
His Clark has none of the warmth, charm or charisma of Reeves’, but his Supes is fine. spoilers, but they actually are the same person. Clark Kent is Superman just with glasses. Ha de ha. But the thing is, the brilliance of the way Reeves played it was treating the role as two different characters. Three in fact. Clark, Superman and Kal-El. He even recognised that Kal-El is the real role, and Clark and Superman are both acts that he plays in that role. It’s that level of thought and commitment to the role that stops him being boring and generic and instead brings nuance and pathos to the part. Cavil again brought none of that to it. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 9, 2022 9:49:40 GMT
Hmmm, you're saying as if it's a conspiracy that a lot of people thought it was shit. Maybe, just maybe people thought it was an overlong movie with a really weird tone, cringey dialogue, an era that doesn't get fully used, incredibly problematic situations and a barely used villain that gets around 3 minutes of CGI time in the dark because it looked awful.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Dec 9, 2022 9:51:59 GMT
His Clark has none of the warmth, charm or charisma of Reeves’, but his Supes is fine. How much of his Clark have we actually seen?! |
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Post by geefe on Dec 9, 2022 9:51:59 GMT
No, Jambo, it's the children who are wrong
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 9, 2022 9:54:14 GMT
I can’t decide if I want any more DC films or not. All the characters that they keep going back to have so much baggage from the recent shit films and they don’t seem to do anything other than stuff happens then a big CGI fight.
I can see why Batman keeps doing well because it’s easier to take a different approach and they keep getting really good directors. They need some of that approach for the others, not so much the ‘dark’ or realism but the more character driven approach.
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Post by Vandelay on Dec 9, 2022 9:59:16 GMT
Hmmm, you're saying as if it's a conspiracy that a lot of people thought it was shit. Maybe, just maybe people thought it was an overlong movie with a really weird tone, cringey dialogue, an era that doesn't get fully used, incredibly problematic situations and a barely used villain that gets around 3 minutes of CGI time in the dark because it looked awful. I'm sure those online that say they hated it did actually hate it. But, the narrative around the film is that it was shit. Again, critically it wasn't considered shit and general tone at release was mostly positiveish. I'm certain if you polled those that saw it you would get fairly middling scores, with it being considered a 3-star film. If you believed the internet, you would think it was one of the worst films ever made. It is your standard Internet of everything needing to either be best thing ever or worst thing ever. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 9, 2022 10:11:37 GMT
It’s that level of thought and commitment to the role that stops him being boring and generic and instead brings nuance and pathos to the part. Cavil again brought none of that to it. AKA  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 10:15:31 GMT
I've never really felt that the correcting his posture bit is quite the bit of magical acting it's made out to be.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 9, 2022 10:17:30 GMT
His Clark has none of the warmth, charm or charisma of Reeves’, but his Supes is fine. How much of his Clark have we actually seen?! That is fair. He is basically the same character all the way through regardless of what he is wearing. Miserable that he has super powers. I think we see him as 'superman' (i.e. in the role and not clinically depressed) for like 15 minutes in the fight at the end of Justice League. Its not really his fault that he was written as a teenager going through super puberty for two and a bit films. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 9, 2022 10:19:22 GMT
I've never really felt that the correcting his posture bit is quite the bit of magical acting it's made out to be. Its also his expressions and mannerisms that completely change. He flips into a completely different character. I dunno, as a I kid it did make people not recognising him slightly less stupid. |
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Post by kal on Dec 9, 2022 10:50:30 GMT
How much of his Clark have we actually seen?! That is fair. He is basically the same character all the way through regardless of what he is wearing. Miserable that he has super powers. I think we see him as 'superman' (i.e. in the role and not clinically depressed) for like 15 minutes in the fight at the end of Justice League. Its not really his fault that he was written as a teenager going through super puberty for two and a bit films. This is exactly the point I’m making. He just plays one role. It probably is as much the fault of the writing and direction as anything else, but still, he just doesn’t bring anything to the part whatsoever. Cavil really isn’t in the same league as Reeve. He was a Juilliard trained stage actor. Cavil was in Midsomer Murders. It’s perhaps not fair to compare them, but casting Cavil based entirely on how he looked is symptomatic of everything wrong with the DCU. The reverence DC have for the Batman property and the actors, writers and directors they associate with it is comparable to the way Superman ‘78 was approached. The DCU is treated as disposable fluff. I’m not sure Gunn is the solution to that problem. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 9, 2022 10:52:49 GMT
Hmmm, you're saying as if it's a conspiracy that a lot of people thought it was shit. Maybe, just maybe people thought it was an overlong movie with a really weird tone, cringey dialogue, an era that doesn't get fully used, incredibly problematic situations and a barely used villain that gets around 3 minutes of CGI time in the dark because it looked awful. I'm sure those online that say they hated it did actually hate it. But, the narrative around the film is that it was shit. Again, critically it wasn't considered shit and general tone at release was mostly positiveish. I'm certain if you polled those that saw it you would get fairly middling scores, with it being considered a 3-star film. If you believed the internet, you would think it was one of the worst films ever made. It is your standard Internet of everything needing to either be best thing ever or worst thing ever. I believe that even critics, even those such as Kermode said that COVID was a key reason why they looked it a somewhat favourably as in it seemed quite positive in a very depressing situation that everyone was going through. Out of that bubble it clearly pales compared to the first one. I can forgive plot holes because loads of movies have them but personally this film was an example of big films of late where people wave away criticism with "it doesn't matter, it's just a superhero movie", eventually something has to matter and with this film and its lazy writing, macguffin with inconsistent rules, problematic situations of Pine's character and it's view on world politics it felt like the film was "it doesn't matter ". Perhaps THE INTERNET thought the same. |
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 9, 2022 10:58:55 GMT
I’m not sure any of them are shit, none of them do anything different or interesting. They’re the exact same story with different actors, or at least feel that way.
The closest comparison I can think of is the transformers films. It’s hard to tell the difference between them, there’s nothing interesting in any of them, they’re just 2-3 hours of pointless noise.
There’s no reason they need to be like that. There are plenty of blockbusters that are interesting and very watchable.
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Post by rhaegyr on Dec 9, 2022 11:08:47 GMT
Reeves' Clark is incredible.
I'm just reiterating what Kal and Bongo have said but he seems the only Superman actor to understand that Clark isn't just Superman with a pair of glasses on - his whole mannerisms, body language and speech patterns change.
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Post by Happenstance on Dec 9, 2022 11:14:25 GMT
I thought Routh's Clark was good as well. Not as bumbling as Reeve's version but still different enough from Superman. His Superman on the other hand, just bland.
I was always a fan of Dean Cain's Clark. Only issue being he wasn't different enough from his Superman but he felt more like a proper character instead of just a persona.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 11:18:16 GMT
Routh, that's a name I'd totally forgotten. Take it his career didn't take off after Superman?
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Post by cristar on Dec 9, 2022 11:19:18 GMT
Thought Gunn's Suicide Squad was possibly the best DCEU film and really loved the Peacemaker show, but both of them are crazy and whackey, which is totally his wheelhouse. Not sure everything else works in his 'style'. But I guess he'll just be overseeing or something, so maybe not a massive issue.
Or maybe funny and gory Batman and Supes films is something people would like for a bit of a change. But presumably not.
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Post by Happenstance on Dec 9, 2022 11:20:53 GMT
Routh, that's a name I'd totally forgotten. Take it his career didn't take off after Superman? He's not done too badly. Did Scott Pilgrim and a load of DC TV stuff as The Atom. Even got to play his version of Superman again in their big Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover (and probably did a better job than in Returns). He was really good in Chuck as well. |
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Post by cristar on Dec 9, 2022 11:21:33 GMT
Only other thing I have seen Routh in is a couple seasons of Chuck. And he was fairly bland in that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2022 11:24:31 GMT
The guy playing Lex Luther seems to have disappeared too.
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