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Sept 1, 2021 12:00:06 GMT
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Post by Lizard on Sept 1, 2021 12:00:06 GMT
No film needs to be 3 hours long but a few managed to be that long and are very good. Films can be any length and be shit and boring. I’d like it to be shorter but the length in itself doesn’t concern me. I wouldn't say that "no film" justifies a 3+ hour length; I've seen plenty that do. But to me it kind of correlates with an increased (and imo mostly not justified) seriousness that a lot of films have about themselves. 2, 2.5 hours is more than enough time to tell a story about a guy who gets over the death of his parents by dressing up as a bat and crippling petty thugs! But no, everything needs to be epic. I blame Chris Nolan. This. Some films do warrant a run time of over two-and-a-half hours. I'd wager that the first of new a series of Batman films does not.
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Post by britesparc on Sept 1, 2021 12:41:33 GMT
Also Batman killed people when he first came on the scene, the lore is whatever the writer wants to adhere to. Superman is a MASSIVE example. There's a strong argument to be made, though, that the character with the purple gloves and the gun on his belt wasn't "Batman" as we know him. He was a Shadow rip-off/homage for the first couple of issues before morphing into more of a Superman analogue. I mean, Robin has been a much, much more constant part of Batman than brooding darkness, excessive violence, killing bad guys, etc, yet a lot of people seem reluctant to see that character on screen. Now it obviously takes all sorts and with Elseworlds and the multiverse and all that I'm happy for any type of Batman to exist, but I still feel very strongly that every film incarnation (maybe excpet Schumacher) draws from the same well, and it's not really a well that is the most common comics interpretation of the character, where for most of his history he's been presented as a very driven, often very grumpy, detective/adventurer who isn't insane or haunted by his past, and who has a large circle of close friends and allies he works with.
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Sept 1, 2021 14:58:25 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 1, 2021 14:58:25 GMT
Superman has also killed before Snyder came along.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 15:03:42 GMT
There's over 80 years worth of comics, of course you can dig deep enough and find something that contradicts the establish characteristics of a superhero. It doesn't change the fact that a major aspect of Batman is that he doesn't kill. If you read the comics, you'll have seen that this sentiment has been the central basis of so many stories and Batman's relationship with both Damian Wayne and Redhood hinge on the fact that Batman doesn't kill. There's a famous Frank Miller panel where Batman is shown smashing a shotgun in half saying "This is the weapon of our enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it".
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Sept 1, 2021 15:08:07 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:08:07 GMT
There's a famous Frank Miller panel where Batman is shown smashing a shotgun in half saying "This is the weapon of our enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it". Yes, we've all read The Dark Knight Returns too. You know, the one where he cripples people, breaks limbs, comes close to killing superman and breaks Joker's neck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 15:11:23 GMT
There's a famous Frank Miller panel where Batman is shown smashing a shotgun in half saying "This is the weapon of our enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it". Yes, we've all read The Dark Knight Returns too. You know, the one where he cripples people, breaks limbs, comes close to killing superman and breaks Joker's neck. Joker snaps his own neck in The Dark Knight Returns.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 1, 2021 15:16:49 GMT
Batman doesn't kill, except when he does, and when he doesn't he's fine with torture, maiming, crippling people and using the "I didn't kill them, it's the fall that killed them" excuse. I mean, he literally setup a giant system of robots that have a "murder all superheroes" command "just in case". It goes back to it depending entirely on the mood of the writer. If we're going to start quoting Frank Miller, he also said there's 50 different ways to do Batman and they all work.
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Sept 1, 2021 15:22:48 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:22:48 GMT
Yes, he finishes the job even though most of the work had been done by Batman. I mean batman was happily using space guns in JL, at the end of the day it's the writer's interpretation of what they want the character to be other than his parents being murdered and him being ridiculously wealthy.
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Sept 1, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 1, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
If DC are going to keep avoiding doing fun films they really need to hurry up and get around to doing Kingdom Come.
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Sept 1, 2021 15:25:16 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:25:16 GMT
Batman doesn't kill, except when he does, and when he doesn't he's fine with torture, maiming, crippling people and using the "I didn't kill them, it's the fall that killed them" excuse. I mean, he literally setup a giant system of robots that have a "murder all superheroes" command "just in case". It goes back to it depending entirely on the mood of the writer. If we're going to start quoting Frank Miller, he also said there's 50 different ways to do Batman and they all work. The same Frank Miller who tried to have Batman face off against and kill Al-Qaida before he was told to fuck off, lest we forget.
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Sept 1, 2021 15:26:14 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:26:14 GMT
If DC are going to keep avoiding doing fun films they really need to hurry up and get around to doing Kingdom Come. I actually wouldn't mind that or film of Injustice even though it's kind of a film already. God this thread is getting Uber geeky.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 1, 2021 15:28:03 GMT
Injustice is getting an animated film. The DC animated stuff is surprisingly great, even if they do tend to be a little watered down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 15:31:01 GMT
As much of a Batman nut as I am, I really dislike anything Justice League related, or any of the DC crossover events. So many of the DC heroes are so utterly godlike, that Batman just seems so pathetic along side them. And I'm just generally not a fan of anything DC related outside of the Gotham based characters. Really tried to get into the Dark Knights Metal series, but t just loses me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 15:31:31 GMT
Injustice is getting an animated film. The DC animated stuff is surprisingly great, even if they do tend to be a little watered down. Lets not talk about The Killing Joke or Hush though.
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Sept 1, 2021 15:31:32 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:31:32 GMT
Oh really? Interesting. Yeah the animated output isn't half bad tbh. Except that bullshit of The Killing Joke, that was just terrible on all fronts.
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 1, 2021 15:32:40 GMT
No film needs to be 3 hours long but a few managed to be that long and are very good. Films can be any length and be shit and boring. I’d like it to be shorter but the length in itself doesn’t concern me. Godfather Part 2 Seven Samurai Green Mile Once Upon a Time in America Lawrence of Arabia Deer Hunter JFK Ben Hur Dances With Wolves Ghandi Spartacus Wolf of Wall Street
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Sept 1, 2021 15:35:04 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:35:04 GMT
As much of a Batman nut as I am, I really dislike anything Justice League related, or any of the DC crossover events. So many of the DC heroes are so utterly godlike, that Batman just seems so pathetic along side them. And I'm just generally not a fan of anything DC related outside of the Gotham based characters. Really tried to get into the Dark Knights Metal series, but t just loses me. But then in the same breath they make Batman godlike in the way he goes toe to toe with them. It all becomes rather inconsistent, he's either very street level or facing off with Darkseid and living.
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Sept 1, 2021 15:38:47 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 1, 2021 15:38:47 GMT
As much of a Batman nut as I am, I really dislike anything Justice League related, or any of the DC crossover events. So many of the DC heroes are so utterly godlike, that Batman just seems so pathetic along side them. And I'm just generally not a fan of anything DC related outside of the Gotham based characters. Really tried to get into the Dark Knights Metal series, but t just loses me. I tend to mentally carve Batman into his own world away from the rest in the same way I do with X-Men over at Marvel. The lore of their own series doesn’t seem to fit very well with the idea of a wider beloved superhero community.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 1, 2021 15:44:23 GMT
As much of a Batman nut as I am, I really dislike anything Justice League related, or any of the DC crossover events. So many of the DC heroes are so utterly godlike, that Batman just seems so pathetic along side them. And I'm just generally not a fan of anything DC related outside of the Gotham based characters. Really tried to get into the Dark Knights Metal series, but t just loses me. I tend to mentally carve Batman into his own world away from the rest in the same way I do with X-Men over at Marvel. The lore of their own series doesn’t seem to fit very well with the idea of a wider beloved superhero community. But the X-Men were written as a civil rights allegory, I can buy why mutants are persecuted as opposed to your average masked hero. It's based on the fact that humanity is scared of being replaced by another species as it were, I mean it fits almost too neatly into the white genocide garbage that exists today.
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Post by geefe on Sept 1, 2021 16:01:28 GMT
Been filming The Flash near my work on and off for the last couple months so at least got to see Keaton from far away Are you sure he wasn't just small?
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Sept 1, 2021 16:19:09 GMT
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Post by britesparc on Sept 1, 2021 16:19:09 GMT
As much of a Batman nut as I am, I really dislike anything Justice League related, or any of the DC crossover events. So many of the DC heroes are so utterly godlike, that Batman just seems so pathetic along side them. And I'm just generally not a fan of anything DC related outside of the Gotham based characters. Really tried to get into the Dark Knights Metal series, but t just loses me. I totally understand this but I'm 100% the opposite. I love the idea of Batman being this guy who had this crazy plan to basically dress as a demon and scare criminals out of Gotham, but then he realises there are aliens and goddesses and this dude with a magic wishing ring and this other dude who talks to fish, and he just incorporates all this into his worldview. So he's studying Kryptonian and magic runes and building a spaceship, because that's what he needs to do. But really he's still just this very determined detective who knows Kung Fu.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 1, 2021 16:23:15 GMT
I like to see a Batverse on screen over a series of films. Batman, Nightwing, Batgirl into Oracle, and wrapped up with Batman Beyond.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 1, 2021 16:34:59 GMT
As much of a Batman nut as I am, I really dislike anything Justice League related, or any of the DC crossover events. So many of the DC heroes are so utterly godlike, that Batman just seems so pathetic along side them. And I'm just generally not a fan of anything DC related outside of the Gotham based characters. Really tried to get into the Dark Knights Metal series, but t just loses me. I totally understand this but I'm 100% the opposite. I love the idea of Batman being this guy who had this crazy plan to basically dress as a demon and scare criminals out of Gotham, but then he realises there are aliens and goddesses and this dude with a magic wishing ring and this other dude who talks to fish, and he just incorporates all this into his worldview. So he's studying Kryptonian and magic runes and building a spaceship, because that's what he needs to do. But really he's still just this very determined detective who knows Kung Fu. Honestly I'd like to see someone do something with 40s/50s era Batman where it's just weird central, like when he becomes Zebra Batman, or Rip Van Batman, or gets annoyed that people keep naming stuff after him, or going on interdimensional excursions with Bat Mite. People think Adam West Batman introduced camp comedy when it was really just an evolution of what had already happened in the comics. Just constantly redoing Year One/Dark Knight Returns is getting stale.
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Post by britesparc on Sept 1, 2021 16:40:39 GMT
Yeah, this is exactly my point. I love Miller's (early) Batman work, and especially love the O'Neill/Adams stuff, but over 80 years we've seen tons of weird and different interpretations of Batman, but the films always go to the same bunch of comics.
I'm constantly amazed that out of all the characters who could have had a multiverse-hopping movie featuring multiple incarnations of the central hero, it wasn't Batman who did that first. Hell, you could even have done that JUST with the movie/TV versions of the character and still made a fun, crazy film.
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Sept 1, 2021 17:29:36 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 1, 2021 17:29:36 GMT
No film needs to be 3 hours long but a few managed to be that long and are very good. Films can be any length and be shit and boring. I’d like it to be shorter but the length in itself doesn’t concern me. Godfather Part 2 Seven Samurai Green Mile Once Upon a Time in America Lawrence of Arabia Deer Hunter JFK Ben Hur Dances With Wolves Ghandi Spartacus Wolf of Wall Street Yeah, some of those are that long and are very good, although I wouldn’t agree with everything on that list.
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Sept 1, 2021 18:04:09 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 1, 2021 18:04:09 GMT
I like to see a Batverse on screen over a series of films. Batman, Nightwing, Batgirl into Oracle, and wrapped up with Batman Beyond. I’d love a live action Batman Beyond movie.
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Sept 1, 2021 18:27:06 GMT
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Post by britesparc on Sept 1, 2021 18:27:06 GMT
There was a Batman Beyond movie in development in the late 90s, I think when they were struggling with what to do with the character after Batman & Robin. I read that they decided to scrap the idea because they felt it was too close to The Mask of Zorro, which is kinda ironic really.
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 3, 2021 8:59:46 GMT
Can we all just agree that actually Robert Pattinson would have been better served doing a Batman Beyond movie instead? With Michael Keaton as old Bruce? Beyond doesn't get enough love imo.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 5, 2021 17:23:51 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Sept 5, 2021 17:34:05 GMT
Thought that was a shot from Dune for a quick moment.
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