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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 9:45:41 GMT
I never stopped painting, writing, making music, all that stuff. I still do but only now have the urge and drive to do something with it. I have this amazing feeling of impending doom that I can't shake, and it's down to those "wasted" years.
I've been exactly the opposite. I did everything. I worked so hard at being creative from like 16 until 26. I did everything. I never took a break. I was teetotal for a lot of it and just channelled all my energy into music, writing, photography, films, theatre, graphic design, building audio equipment. Then between 26 and 36, well, I chilled out a bit, got more focused and mostly just did two or three things. And now I'm like, fuck, I've tried everything. Nothing excites me. I have zero urge to create anything. Really all I want is to drink and die because I don't think there's anything left that I feel strongly about. It's really interesting getting the other perspective. It's like we feel similarly disenfranchised but at completely opposite ends of the spectrum. I can't consider dying because I don't feel as though I've tapped into anything enough yet, but then I'm terrified that something will happen and I'll forever have it untapped.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 20, 2022 9:52:21 GMT
I would love to say I had fun but 8 years of it was spent with an eating disorder attached to a whole load of other shit. I'm actually amazed I made it out the other end.
Were you not one of the ones that used to do the NaNoWriMo over at the other place?
I suppose I have produced stuff. I mean I've done freelance graphic design off and on for years and do that as part of my day job. Some of the bands I've played in have done not too bad on a local level. I got some paintings exhibited at a couple of galleries years ago. But I never actually tried hard enough at any of it. Lacked the self belief and now I finally have it, I feel like it's too late!!
Rationally I know it's not, but that doesn't shake the feeling.
Sorry to hear that, didn't mean to be flippant. It sounds like you have done a lot more than most people ever would. It's not too late, you're obviously good. It might be worth trying to work out what success and fulfilment actually look like to you. But I am very uncomfortable about giving advice as I don't know anything. Yes, I used to do NaNo, which only served to hammer home my lack of commitment!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 9:57:20 GMT
Oh no you're fine I didn't take it as a flippant comment.
Yeah that's it isn't it. The trouble I have is I genuinely don't know what they look like. I'm not sure I'll ever be happy.
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 20, 2022 10:09:04 GMT
It's really interesting getting the other perspective. It's like we feel similarly disenfranchised but at completely opposite ends of the spectrum. I can't consider dying because I don't feel as though I've tapped into anything enough yet, but then I'm terrified that something will happen and I'll forever have it untapped. For sure, it's very interesting. You've done a bunch of stuff too, but never made it into a job? I've always wondered about that. Before my depression hit me acutely I was working as a sound engineer on TV / commercials / corporate stuff. I'd stopped doing feature films because it was too much of a hassle and I didn't get any satisfaction from it. Then after the depression hit I was like, do I do post-production now full time but decided I'd get an entry level office job instead just so I could have a routine and colleagues. Then the Covid came and I've been stuck working remotely the past 2 years. I've been to the office exactly twice in two years. I moved to a new department a year ago and I've met one out of my 11 colleagues, and that was because I knew her from before.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 10:47:02 GMT
I never did because I lacked two key things unfortunately - self belief and motivation.
Happy to coast along for years. Just waiting becasue I expected "something" to just come along and hit me. Also because, as Harry intimated above, I was also quite happy to just coast and be too cool to try. Always thought of myself as too much of outsider to do what everyone else is doing. Well guess what. Everyone else is earning a lot more fucking money than me and actually has prospects. D'oh.
Then again, is that everything? I'm not even driven by money, that's the kicker. What am I driven by? Fuck knows. Just a need to create, that gets me nowhere through the week until I'm back in this fucking pit of despair again wondering what in fuck's name I'm doing with myself.
Just ordered a guide book on character illustration and I've got a new graphics tablet coming. Why? Because this week Matthew, I'm going to be an artist. Last week I was a writer. The week before that I was a musician. The week before that on and on zzzzzzz.
I need to get a fucking grip.
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 20, 2022 10:53:05 GMT
Yeah man, I get you. I really understand that.
If you're keen on writing and art maybe start a web comic? Commit to a schedule and put out your stuff, no matter how crap it seems to you. Get yourself a peer group of other starting out comic artists. Have a weekly meeting where you have to show off your stuff. Do it for a year.
(Full disclosure: I was never able to do that. For me it was always the stupid route of "I'm bored, I'll quit my job and do X". Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.)
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 20, 2022 11:46:43 GMT
I think we have all had our fair share of what I call covid malaise the last few years. The reality of that is it feels just like the depression I was diagnosed with all those years ago except now I have responsibilities and a family to care for. The result being just concentrating on getting what needs doing done and making sure everyone else is happy and cared for and letting all the over stuff slip. Even just normal stuff like garden work has felt like what is the point. The stuff I actually enjoyed like bonsai, astronomy and photography have suffered greatly, most of my trees are dead and other gear has just been gathering dust. It's been grim.
Now this is all slowly starting to be revived, baby steps but the motivation and taking pride in things is coming back. And I guess something that has been touched upon is not having something to look forward to. Well, the wife and I have discussed what we are going to do when her contract is up and the plan is to move and change the way we go about existing, that is exciting and certainly has given a boost to motivation levels as there is a tangible goal at the end. Then there is the terrifying reality of what to do for income, so again a bit more motivation to study some relevant courses so you don't stumble in blind. I guess I have got a bit of that focus back, it helps. I am even selling my photography now, that had never happened in the past and I have even been published a few times years ago. It's not making much and never been about the money but that is some much needed positive reinforcement.
This stuff comes in waves, ups and downs and I don't have a solution. Sometimes just sharing can let others know they aren't alone, plus it is certainly cathartic. A few months ago my anxiety was at almost crippling levels, it's always there in the background but it diminished until it was almost like a switch just turned it off. Now I have a couple of weeks holidays starting soon, instead of doing the what had become normal absolutely nothing, I'm actually looking forward to having a massive tidy of the yard and pushing my photography even further. Heck I may even go sit outside and read or listen to tunes like we used to do every single day of the year which we have stopped doing.
Little things that make you happy, baby steps. I even thought about getting a drawing tablet myself but I can't draw so decided to be true and stick with the photo stuff.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 11:59:14 GMT
I can really resonate with pretty much all of that. I've just put 2 weeks holiday in at work too as work is really pushing my anxiety up at the moment because I'm still processing lots of grief. Add in the Covid malaise as you say and it's a very similar situation. I'm sure it is for everyone really.
But like you say, doing the little things really is a good starting point.
I'm even starting to accept that if work is too much, that I'll simply quit and I'll find something else. It's not the end of the world, and there are far more important things to focus on instead.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 20, 2022 12:01:03 GMT
I did buy a drawing tablet and actually subbed to Photoshop in an attempt to get me back into drawing.
Needless to say it just means I'm spending 10 quid a month for no reason.
Most of the time if I do bother to plug it in, I usually just can't think of anything to draw. I used to draw loads but just can't get into gear anymore.
I just tend to day dream about being creative instead. Imagine writing something or that somehow my ropey music I make on a playstation program will find an audience.
I would like to do something more creative as a job, but tried that and it didn't work out. Just wish I felt more than a vague like in something.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 20, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
It's so impressive seeing how much you lot have achieved. I've largely done the sweet sum of fuck all - not anything worthy or creative anyway. When I was younger, I spent my spare time on the piss and going to football. These days it's parenting, TV/film/games, as well as trying to be as active as I can be.
My job is fulfilling in that I 100% believe in what I'm doing as a civil servant and have no desire to be a corporate shill. Unless I get made redundant of course and then anything goes. I have reached the limit of how far I want to go though, not interested in any further promotion which is leading to some stagnation.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 12:33:56 GMT
Yeah, that's part of my issue with my job. Corporate IT for over 30 years now. All ambition left years ago, so it's just a constant slog of 9 hours a day wasting my time in stupid meetings and getting unnecessarily stressed.
Can't wait to start backing off and taking lower paid and lower responsible positions.
I have a 2 year plan, where I should be in a position to tell them to jog on, but if I play my cards right, I might be able to step down in a year tbh.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 12:34:44 GMT
Unfortunately, I'm shit at cards
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 20, 2022 12:35:03 GMT
I have reached the limit of how far I want to go though, not interested in any further promotion which is leading to some stagnation. I've got a friend I've known since high school. He's had the same job since he graduated. They've been trying to give him promotions but he always turns them down because he doesn't want any extra stress. He's bit of an oddball (all of my friends are, tbf). He doesn't have his own bank account - his salary goes into his wife's account and when he wants to go out he asks her if he can have a bit of money. It was his idea too, not hers.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 20, 2022 12:43:20 GMT
Some people just want an easy life. I see quite a few at my place who are very capable but also happy at quite a low grade as it's easy. Not going to judge anyone for that at all, I get it entirely. I had drive to progress when I was younger but once I achieved what I set to do, I was content. The next bump up just ain't worth the extra hassle at my age given the meagre pay rise and likely shifting of a work-life balance.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 20, 2022 12:48:40 GMT
Ignoring how much of an extra hassle the next level up is compared to the one im in, its also the very first one in the firing line during redundancies because its the biggest management layer so, yeah, fuck that.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 13:01:53 GMT
I just don't want to work at all, that's what I'm aiming for
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 13:06:30 GMT
I just don't want to work at all, that's what I'm aiming for I think I would still like to continue working if only part time, I just really enjoy teaching. The connections you can make with people have sworn me off ever going back to a career that involves being in an office environment.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 13:11:41 GMT
Yeah, part time might be an option. It will definitely not be in an office and definitely not be in IT, but other than that, yeah.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 20, 2022 13:15:41 GMT
I just don't want to work at all, that's what I'm aiming for That's absolutely my dream. I mean it's highly unlikely to ever happen, not if I want to continue my relatively comfortable life. But I'd bin work off entirely given the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 13:16:26 GMT
See weirdly I need the structure of a job. When I have too much time to myself I'm even less productive. I need the angst.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 20, 2022 13:19:25 GMT
I find myself far more stressed out and destruction when I'm working.
I've just been on leave for a week, didn't feel like drivingy much at all. Actually went to bed and got up early, just enjoyed the time off.
I'm quite good at making structure for myself if I actually have enough time to spend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 13:25:18 GMT
Yeah man, I get you. I really understand that. If you're keen on writing and art maybe start a web comic? Commit to a schedule and put out your stuff, no matter how crap it seems to you. Get yourself a peer group of other starting out comic artists. Have a weekly meeting where you have to show off your stuff. Do it for a year. (Full disclosure: I was never able to do that. For me it was always the stupid route of "I'm bored, I'll quit my job and do X". Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.) That does actually appeal to me, don't think I've ever tried that. Need to wean myself into drawing again. Doing an album cover for my music just now which is slow going but I'm enjoying it. This new tablet should help hopefully. It's got a display so there will be less disconnection between where I'm drawing and where it's materialising.
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 20, 2022 13:25:38 GMT
See weirdly I need the structure of a job. When I have too much time to myself I'm even less productive. I need the angst. I need the sense of purpose from having a job. I really feel the need to work - regardless of what it is. I even had a job at a cafe some years ago and enjoyed it, people were so happy to get their cup of coffee and their pastries. If I'm not working I feel like I have even less of a reason to be than usual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 13:29:03 GMT
I think I would just shut myself away from people completely if I didn't go out to work tbh. Which is not a good thing for me. At all.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 13:59:04 GMT
I've always worked since I was 17, so I have no idea what it's like to not work.
But whatever I do, as long as it's not in a stressy corporate situation, I'd probably be ok. But at 50, with a heavy interest in creating music all the time, I would definitely like to try to bin off work and then do the music for a while, and if I need structure on top of that, fuck it, I'll get a bar job or work in a garden centre or something.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 20, 2022 14:04:25 GMT
I do have some concern about my motivation to do anything if/when retired but I think I could fill my days quite happily with exercise/gardening/pottering/DIY. 1st port of call would be a dog to force me out of the house.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 20, 2022 14:07:17 GMT
When I was trying to be an animator / illustrator I had plenty of time between jobs. Ostensibly I should be networking and such, but frankly I loathed that aspect of the job and it's why I ultimately gave up on it, so instead I'd just laze around.
So I had weeks, sometimes months, where I wouldn't really do any paid work. Just pottering about, sometimes working on my own stuff purely for fun. Most of the time just watching shows and playing games, going for walks. It was enjoyable.
My problem now is that I don't have time to watch the things I want to watch, or play the things I want to pay, or read what I want to read. In the evenings after work I just lack the mental energy to really do stuff. Bollocking about on Reddit or, yes, this forum is just easier. And I'm very much a path of least resistance guy.
Even if I lacked motivation to do anything... Well, it wouldn't really be anything different to now. Except I'd have less stress.
I've no interest in trying to make my hobbies a job again. It sucks the fun out of them. As soon as something has to be done to pay the bills it's automatically less fun. Fuck side hustles and fuck the relentless push to monetize and commodify everything.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 20, 2022 14:08:22 GMT
I'd be happy as a pig in shit if I could make enough to survive by doing what I love. It would drive me to be do better at what ever it was. I'm already looking into learning new techniques, grabbed a polaroid and am now investigating film cameras. I could also handle going fishing everyday if that paid the bills.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 20, 2022 14:22:32 GMT
The thing that pisses me off about work is that it's for 9 fucking hours 5 days a week. That's a lot of energy to be putting into something. If you don't like it (like I dont - I just ended up getting here by just accepting what happened all the time), then you've got to do something about it, because noone else will.
This is why I'm kicking myself up the arse to sort all this shit out, because I am fucked if I am spending the remainder of my time wasting that much energy when I could apply it elsewhere.
I think the only reason I've lasted this long is was because I did enjoy IT (support) when it was all "get it done" and physical work years ago, but now, oh my god, it's just relentless meetings making shillings for the man. It's tragic.
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Post by zephro on Jun 20, 2022 17:22:12 GMT
See weirdly I need the structure of a job. When I have too much time to myself I'm even less productive. I need the angst. Getting a job helped me a lot in this regard. Though after a couple years I switched the self harming to smoking as its more socially acceptable in the office. Going back to doing nothing would not fill me with confidence.
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