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Post by grey_matters on Jun 5, 2024 12:12:37 GMT
We're having local and euro elections this Friday and I'm kinda expecting the worst. The hard racists have been out setting fire to places that are due to house refugees and the bullshit pipes of social media are clogged with propaganda. I'm guessing that, in the same style as Brexit, medium and low level racists are now going to feel more free to act.
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Post by apollo on Jun 5, 2024 17:55:08 GMT
Russian filth (and not much has changed since world war 2)
At some point the world is going to deal with Russia
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 6, 2024 1:49:55 GMT
Uhhhhh... what do you mean, "deal with"
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jun 6, 2024 2:41:11 GMT
Pay them huge sums for their natural gas and other resources on the down low, while tut-tutting about Ukraine and talking about sanctions in public?
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Post by Lizard on Jun 6, 2024 3:07:55 GMT
Maybe Microsoft will buy them then shut them down.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 7, 2024 7:54:10 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 7, 2024 8:18:17 GMT
It'll be good for the young folk. They need to experience the feeling of having a leopard eat their face.
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Post by Danno on Jun 7, 2024 9:28:37 GMT
Politics Joe has been pointing out how easily the right/populism can start to hoover up disaffected young uns with promises of housing, lower or no tuition fees, better minimum wage etc. I'm a little surprised Farage and Tice haven't started their Hitler youth in that fashion already tbh.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 7, 2024 9:45:17 GMT
Young people will also tend to rebel against the current powerholders.
If they don't have experience going back beyond the current powerholders then they may well believe anyone who promises change.
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Post by malek86 on Jun 8, 2024 5:37:05 GMT
The weird thing is that I've always associated youth with left-wing, especially in university and right after that.
If young people are the ones who care most about, say, global warming and the potential for WW3? I'm not sure how voting far-right should somehow help.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 8, 2024 6:14:54 GMT
It's because people take on this reflexive, irony-shielded "they're all the same, burn it all down" cynicism, that treats the act of actually caring about something as flawed in itself. That's (imo) as much a sign of immaturity as some of the shit that people shout at protests, and it's something that people eventually (hopefully) grow out of.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 8, 2024 6:19:55 GMT
The weird thing is that I've always associated youth with left-wing, especially in university and right after that. If young people are the ones who care most about, say, global warming and the potential for WW3? I'm not sure how voting far-right should somehow help. This has generally been true, although you've always had young conservatives etc.. But when i was at uni, and maybe most politically motivated/pure/innocent, we were near the end of a long period of Tory rule and i thought Blair and Labour would solve everything. Which of course they didn't, and then young people felt betrayed. Then around the end of the Blair/Brown era i was surprised how many uni students seemed to be supporting the Tories. But they'd grown up basically only knowing a Labour government and thinking they were the cause of all ills, and the Tories would fix everything. Now we're back to the same point in the cycle as when i was a student. I'm older now, so while i do think the Tories are terrible, i don't expect Labour to magically fix everything. You saw the same thing with young people being enthused by Obama and then becoming disillusioned when he didn't fix everything. The uk may be at the point in the cycle where young people are anti Tory. But a lot of Europe and the US is probably at the other end of the cycle. Young prior have mainly known left-wing governments and they haven't fixed everything. But now we're also in a world where most young people are exposed to alt-right, incel, Andrew Tate type stuff on YouTube tiktok, etc... |
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Post by malek86 on Jun 8, 2024 11:52:01 GMT
I think at some point people will just have to accept that nobody is going to fix anything (not just because they don't want to, but also because many of these issues would require a global effort to solve, something which no single country could possibly manage by itself, even with the best intentions), so you might as well just vote for the party that resonates the most with your beliefs.
Too difficult that, I guess.
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Post by skalpadda on Jun 8, 2024 13:23:50 GMT
We have the most right wing and conservative government in over 100 years here. They've done an awful job so far (like complete messes and flagrantly broken election promises, not just stuff I disagree with), and they're supported by our far right lunatic party, but still young people are going more right wing than ever. Like, what do you think you're rebelling against?
I can't really explain it other than rampant individualism having taken over a lot of the culture lately, and people (in general, not just young people) being a bit thick. Like I can understand feeling disappointed and disaffected - our left wing parties aren't that great either - but actively voting for people that want to make your lives worse is a weird way to show your displeasure.
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Post by Syrette on Jun 8, 2024 13:39:49 GMT
We have the most right wing and conservative government in over 100 years here. They've done an awful job so far (like complete messes and flagrantly broken election promises, not just stuff I disagree with), and they're supported by our far right lunatic party, but still young people are going more right wing than ever. Like, what do you think you're rebelling against? I can't really explain it other than rampant individualism having taken over a lot of the culture lately, and people (in general, not just young people) being a bit thick. Like I can understand feeling disappointed and disaffected - our left wing parties aren't that great either - but actively voting for people that want to make your lives worse is a weird way to show your displeasure. Where is here? |
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Post by skalpadda on Jun 8, 2024 13:49:06 GMT
Sorry, Sweden.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 8, 2024 14:08:22 GMT
I think at some point people will just have to accept that nobody is going to fix anything (not just because they don't want to, but also because many of these issues would require a global effort to solve, something which no single country could possibly manage by itself, even with the best intentions), so you might as well just vote for the party that resonates the most with your beliefs. Too difficult that, I guess. I don't think it's that nobody is going to fix *anything*, but it's having some realistic expectations. Which is unfortunately dangerously close to being jaded and "they're all the same".
People might fix some things but break others. Or improve things slightly.
I mean, I'd say Blair/Brown were mostly better than the Tories, and did fix a bunch of stuff. They also did some dumb stuff, and then global events like 9/11, the iraq war and the financial crisis intervened and messed things up.
But people, young ones with less experience especially, are likely to be looking for perfect quick fixes. And likely to be disappointed and then disaffected.
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Post by stixxuk on Jun 8, 2024 14:32:01 GMT
Other than the Iraq war the last labour government were pretty decent from what I can tell...
But that was so fucking bad I can't think of them positively, especially Blair.
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Post by technoish on Jun 8, 2024 14:59:15 GMT
I understand there's quite a big split emerging among the youth between male and female. Boys quite attracted to the Tate like stuff, pushing them alt right.
All of which is fed to them constantly by social media. I can't even stop it from my feed, so if you have any interest in it, your feeds must just be completely saturated.
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Post by stixxuk on Jun 8, 2024 16:06:43 GMT
Can't get my head around the Tate stuff... Treating anyone badly is far more likely to make people miserable than happy, but treating the entire opposite sex that way pretty much guarantees it.
The only time I ever see it is when it's in the news but must be more persuasive, and prevalent than I give it credit for.
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Post by hicksy on Jun 8, 2024 16:21:06 GMT
Much like the Tate Modern.
Just because it gets people’s attention doesn’t mean it’s not some top level bullsh*t… bin it off!
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 9, 2024 6:02:35 GMT
What's wrong with the Tate Modern?
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Post by hicksy on Jun 9, 2024 7:41:34 GMT
What's wrong with the Tate Modern? Nothing against the building itself. Modern art is rubbish though (imo)! 😆 |
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Post by technoish on Jun 9, 2024 8:58:31 GMT
How modern is too modern?
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Post by Danno on Jun 9, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
That's my favourite Rulb album
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Jun 9, 2024 11:45:19 GMT
Just back from the polling office here in sunny Budapest. Really happy and proud to have done my bit for Orbán and Fidesz. Ria! Ria! HungaRIA!
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Yes, that's a dumb joke and that they can go and fuck themselves, obviously. I was a tad disappointed to be treated like the second class European citizen I am ("he's only a settled resident, just give him the local ballots, not the European ones"). I was determined not to become a Hungarian (and therefore EU) citizen until Fidesz were out but that's starting to seem like a self-defeating piece of stubbornness.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 9, 2024 14:44:50 GMT
Modi has been made Indian Prime Minister for the third time, now I guess world leaders will have to publicly congratulate him even though he's a massive cunt, yay.
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Post by askew on Jun 9, 2024 19:15:54 GMT
Ah, a Marine Le Pen Olympics. Lovely.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 9, 2024 19:27:35 GMT
It's shit but I welcome it. Maybe people need to learn, AGAIN, about the empty, easy promises for complex issues that can't be fulfilled by the Far Right.
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Post by zephro on Jun 9, 2024 19:28:55 GMT
Holy Shit. Hopefully France continues what it's been doing for 20 years and holding its nose to elect anyone who's not a La Pen.
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