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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on Jun 24, 2023 8:10:38 GMT
This is clearly a false flag to distract from Biden's son, possibly he is in league with Truss to lower the price of pasta and become the new PM.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 24, 2023 8:11:39 GMT
"March of Justice" - not sure he will get into Moscow and remove the military leadership as he wants. Sounds like a mass suicide run.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 24, 2023 8:15:30 GMT
It’s going to be a bit of a cripple fight. I was at a wedding a few years ago in the states and got talking to a drunk guy who was at the Battle of Khasam. It seems reality met the Wagner group that day the same way it met Russia when they went into Ukraine. The Americans did the equivalent of holding a windmilling dwarf at arms length and turned them into a fine mist. Apparently, they are useless for anything other than low level thug work because they are made up of gangsters and badly trained washouts.
Source: pissed up airman
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 24, 2023 8:20:15 GMT
For a group of gangsters and washouts they have certainly been effective in Ukraine.
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Post by Lizard on Jun 24, 2023 8:25:02 GMT
Surely this is the time for every separatist, terrorist or paramilitary group in Russia to kick off big style.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 24, 2023 8:28:41 GMT
Yeah, that's exactly what we want in a country with a large stockpile of nukes.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 24, 2023 8:36:53 GMT
For a group of gangsters and washouts they have certainly been effective in Ukraine. At least in part because their motto is ‘war crimes shmore crimes’, which is pretty much their reason for existing. Weird how outsourcing your dirty work to a group of amoral psychopaths could bite you on the arse.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on Jun 24, 2023 8:41:08 GMT
He's gone from "not a coup" to "we need a new president"
However this plays out hopefully it means less Ukrainian citizens being murdered.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 24, 2023 8:50:00 GMT
He looks exactly like someone who would be throwing chairs outside a cafe in Prague, draped in a ‘Millwall Boys On Tour’ flag
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 24, 2023 8:59:10 GMT
Sending thoughts and prayers
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Post by skalpadda on Jun 24, 2023 9:04:10 GMT
I think very few of the Russian forces will open fire on a concentration of Wagner troops and as such within as few days, they'll be in control of the entire MOD and the Coup will then be a full military coup and Putin will have to flee Russia (if he hasn't already). They probably don't have any large enough concentrations of troops of their own to put in their way on short notice. The actual military is mostly in Ukraine and would need to be pulled back in huge numbers (potentially disastrous for the war). I doubt they'd launch large air attacks on Rostov-on-Don. Rosgvardia and police forces probably aren't going to lead any charges against actual soldiers, so if there's going to be serious fighting it will probably take a while for the Kremlin to muster.
If they actually go for Moscow though, it's going to come down to loyalties. Prigozhin certainly seems to want to send the message that huge parts of the armed forces would stand aside or join him, but who knows?
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 24, 2023 9:27:59 GMT
Sounds like the military are standing aside and letting the Wagner troops pass by without incident.
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Post by RumMonkey on Jun 24, 2023 9:38:18 GMT
From taking Kyiv in 3 days to this. Putin really fucked up. Wouldn't be so scary if the country wasn't full of nukes.
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Post by Zyrr on Jun 24, 2023 9:39:13 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 24, 2023 9:48:22 GMT
If the wagner people get arrested are they going to get sent to fight for wagner in ukraine?
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Post by Zyrr on Jun 24, 2023 9:52:04 GMT
I imagine a fair few people are suddenly going to get careless while opening 10th floor windows.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 24, 2023 9:55:24 GMT
What a roller-coaster this Saturday is.
Whatever happens next putin is done for. Being dictator means you need to constantly project invincibility and that nobody can act without you.
Now Mrs Wagner showed openly that yeah. They do not need putin after all. Others might follow.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Jun 24, 2023 10:00:07 GMT
It is crazy how this has played out, but also somewhat inevitable once we got a sense that Ukraine wasn’t going to fold.
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Post by askew on Jun 24, 2023 10:04:21 GMT
Maybe Russia nukes itself
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Post by sport✅ on Jun 24, 2023 10:06:54 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Johnson pop up to lead our Wagner boyz just as they reach Red Square.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 24, 2023 10:11:11 GMT
This is a little terrifying, a nuclear armed state potentially eating it's self.
I thought it would be Pakistan...not Russia!
Although Putin...
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 24, 2023 10:14:39 GMT
I doubt Putin will nuke his own country but, well, you never know.
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Post by skalpadda on Jun 24, 2023 10:26:11 GMT
Reportedly a troop transport plane being downed by Wagner in that area as well. Voronezh is just a few hours from Moscow.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on Jun 24, 2023 10:34:20 GMT
All comes down to alliances. I guess there have been all sorts of clandestine discussions going on before and during.
Russia has weird factions, the GRU, FSB, SVR. No way of telling if there's been a deal struck.
Bizarre to watch this unfold in real time. Could be a world altering day, could all amount to nothing.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 24, 2023 10:39:21 GMT
Could just be some weird side show.
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Post by monkman5000 on Jun 24, 2023 10:44:03 GMT
Any indication that what Prigozhin is claiming is true, that the Russian military really did hit Wagner troops? And if so why would they have done that?
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Post by brainbird on Jun 24, 2023 10:45:12 GMT
This could go either way.
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Post by RumMonkey on Jun 24, 2023 10:53:47 GMT
Any indication that what Prigozhin is claiming is true, that the Russian military really did hit Wagner troops? And if so why would they have done that? He's been calling out the armed forces and going against the rhetoric publically for months.
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Post by skalpadda on Jun 24, 2023 10:54:47 GMT
Any indication that what Prigozhin is claiming is true, that the Russian military really did hit Wagner troops? And if so why would they have done that? There's a not-terribly convincing video floating about of the aftermath of some sort of strike. I'm not gonna post it as there's potentially dead people in it. Might be staged, might not.
The Russian MoD has been moving to get Wagner forces under the umbrella of the regular army for a while though, which is probably the main reason Prigozhin is furious with Shoigu as it would make it relatively easy to get rid of him. If it happened Prigozhin would probably be done for.
So, it's not hard to think of reasons for the military taking some drastic action to remove him and it's not hard to see why Prigozhin is going all-in and will say and do anything, since this is likely personally existential for him.
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Post by deekyfun on Jun 24, 2023 10:54:59 GMT
Theyre both nuts. I hope they do each other in and give everyone else some peace.
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