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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 27, 2022 18:33:14 GMT
Jenson has it bang on. People can actually fight back now. These cars rule.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 18:34:10 GMT
Did you not see the replay? It was open when Hamilton went past first time. It's just the call from the pitwall was too late. I don’t think the pit wall knew the McLaren was going slow until Lewis told them. I mean if that's true, that's a bit pathetic because the TV audience knew as we'd seen Ricciardo slow further round the track.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Mar 27, 2022 18:35:13 GMT
These cars can definitely follow each other ok then.
If these two can keep this up all year it should be great.
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Post by nemesis on Mar 27, 2022 18:36:59 GMT
Come on Red Bull, tell Checo to give that place back. Do the right thing. The race director should have told RB to give the place back under SC. Red Bull basically banked a lasting advantage by having Sergio protect Max on the restart before letting him through. Very harsh on Sergio but that wasn't cricket. Did I hear correctly on the commentary that the race director doesn’t do that any more and it’s on the teams to tell the drivers or face a penalty for it ?
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 18:40:52 GMT
The race director should have told RB to give the place back under SC. Red Bull basically banked a lasting advantage by having Sergio protect Max on the restart before letting him through. Very harsh on Sergio but that wasn't cricket. Did I hear correctly on the commentary that the race director doesn’t do that any more and it’s on the teams to tell the drivers or face a penalty for it ? They did say that. Probably not just me that can spot an obvious flaw with this logic.
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Post by nemesis on Mar 27, 2022 18:42:40 GMT
They look like subbuteo figs on the podium stands. Eeesh.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 18:42:50 GMT
The TV direction really spoilt the race at times. We don't want replays or crowd shots when cars are within 1sec of each other and battling.
The two minute start replay montage on lap 3 was particularly bad.
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Post by GiacomoHall on Mar 27, 2022 18:44:05 GMT
Looking forward to a full season of this. Hopefully the midfield can close the gap to the front a bit to make it even more interesting.
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Post by spacein_vader on Mar 27, 2022 18:46:48 GMT
Great race, fantastic that the overtaken car now has a realistic chance of fighting back. Only downer was some questionable TV direction at times, hopefully the Aussie TV crew can do better.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 18:47:10 GMT
Can't help but wonder what might have been for Sergio too. Didn't do much wrong before being relegate to fourth. Pity Sainz looks off the pace but encouraging that we might have two competitive Red Bulls.
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Post by Psychotext on Mar 27, 2022 18:50:29 GMT
The TV direction really spoilt the race at times. We don't want replays or crowd shots when cars are within 1sec of each other and battling. The two minute start replay montage on lap 3 was particularly bad. Came here to post basically this. Was fucking infuriating. Seems like if you want to follow what's going on then you need to have access to your own camera / feed selection.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 27, 2022 18:53:45 GMT
Leclerc already looks like a champion in waiting 2 races into having a title winning machine. Gave Max absolutely nothing. Sport is in very good hands between those 2. Hopefully Lando and Russell can join in the fun soon.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 27, 2022 18:56:10 GMT
The TV direction really spoilt the race at times. We don't want replays or crowd shots when cars are within 1sec of each other and battling. The two minute start replay montage on lap 3 was particularly bad. Ah man, that was really annoying me. Great race, enjoyed that a lot. Did seem like Merc made the mistake in not coming in but not 100% sure it was open.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 27, 2022 18:59:25 GMT
You can't fault Hamilton for not coming in, especially as he's been penalised for that one before. Its on his team to have their shit together there.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 19:02:26 GMT
We've known Charles is good since he totally annihilated a fairly decent F2 grid. Carlos needs to find that 3 tenths a lap in Australia or he'll quickly be Bottas'd.
Lando's pass round the outside of T1 was pretty good. He was quietly impressive, and had a margin on Danny again.
George also did well in p5 no man's land. Hamilton was matching his pace on 17 lap older tyres but I suspect that was Russell just nursing things whilst racing no one.
The Alpine battle was great. Alonso weaving on the straight wasn't great. Ocon started it but it was a bit ugly and over the line.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 27, 2022 19:03:38 GMT
Drivers seem so much happier with these cars. You can tell they are loving it.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Mar 27, 2022 19:11:46 GMT
That was a great race. Glad everyone came home safely. A shame for Checo, but it did deliver us a great battle for the win at the end there. I can’t really remember the last time we had two teams crossing the line within half a second.
Alpine fight was great. Really good result for McClaren with Norris, and a shame Lady Luck didn’t fall into Lewis’s lap at the end there as he drove well today getting up to 6th at one point.
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Post by damagedinc on Mar 27, 2022 20:43:22 GMT
Great race, fantastic that the overtaken car now has a realistic chance of fighting back. Only downer was some questionable TV direction at times, hopefully the Aussie TV crew can do better. Doubt it as its F1 that's in charge of the TV direction.. the only race that has control of this is monaco. Well we all know how well that goes. (Stroll meme)
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 21:51:43 GMT
Cutting away to crowd reactions was an issue last year as well and seems to be getting worse. The cut after Max passed Charles whilst they were still mid corner was ludicrous. Clearly preplanned rather then reacting to what's actually happening.
We're paying to watch these races on TV. Just let us watch them ffs. We've got access to hours of post race coverage, YouTube and SCs to fill so you don't need to replay everything immediately. That especially goes for routine DRS passes.
Anyone know the address we can formally submit complaints to? I'm good for at least one whiny and entirely futile email.
Dear so-called 'Director'...
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 27, 2022 21:56:56 GMT
Well clarified.
It's a tricky one then because I appreciate Sainz can't arbitrarily overtake under an SC without permission. However common sense suggests it should have been resolved immediately as it was a black and white issue with a simple solution whilst the race was neutralised. Of course neither driver did anything wrong, and a penalty would've been harsh on Perez but what happened was not fair. Perhaps we need more proactive stewards in that situation.
Edit: this was in relation to 111's post that has disappeared. Might be my phone browser playing up.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 27, 2022 21:57:02 GMT
Its way too overproduced. Even the graphics are a total fail now, breaking multiple times per race because they are seemingly too clever for their own good.
You can't make a sport that runs at 200mph like it's an American Football game.
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Post by 111 on Mar 27, 2022 22:05:56 GMT
Well clarified. It's a tricky one then because I appreciate Sainz can't arbitrarily overtake under an SC without permission. However common sense suggests it should have been resolved immediately as it was a black and white issue with a simple solution whilst the race was neutralised. Of course neither driver did anything wrong, and a penalty would've been harsh on Perez but what happened was not fair. Perhaps we need more proactive stewards in that situation. Edit: this was in relation to 111's post that has disappeared. Might be my phone browser playing up. No I screwed something up - post is gone... Short version for the official record is: race director could never *tell* teams to give places back - he just used to pre-emptively warn them that if they didn't, the stewards would investigate. Which just delayed everything (particularly as teams would then try to make their case). The stewards will still give penalties, but there's no middle man, they just do it - but with drivers/teams given one lap grace period to give it back themselves.
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Post by Lizard on Mar 28, 2022 4:29:29 GMT
Is the TV coverage still directed locally? If so that would explain why, I doubt Saudi TV companies know fuck all about F1.
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Post by spacein_vader on Mar 28, 2022 6:39:11 GMT
Great race, fantastic that the overtaken car now has a realistic chance of fighting back. Only downer was some questionable TV direction at times, hopefully the Aussie TV crew can do better. Doubt it as its F1 that's in charge of the TV direction.. the only race that has control of this is monaco. Well we all know how well that goes. (Stroll meme) Must have changed the last few years then, used to be the host broadcaster did it (so BBC at Silverstone, RTL at Hockenheim etc.) and passed that to the worldwide feed.
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Post by damagedinc on Mar 28, 2022 7:37:27 GMT
Doubt it as its F1 that's in charge of the TV direction.. the only race that has control of this is monaco. Well we all know how well that goes. (Stroll meme) Must have changed the last few years then, used to be the host broadcaster did it (so BBC at Silverstone, RTL at Hockenheim etc.) and passed that to the worldwide feed. FOM took control of the feed in 2012 if I remember rightly. A French broadcaster is in control of monaco and that's the only race. So F1 dictate the action at every race and should really be better at it by now.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 28, 2022 8:53:52 GMT
Yeah I think they have a pretty consistent Director between races. In general it's better than it was before FOM took control, but it's got noticeably worse in the past 12 months or so. They've been absolutely obsessed with crowd shots post pandemic, but the interminable replays is fairly new.
I wish they at least used PIPs or something so that those of us who were paying attention the first time, or have seen routine DRS passes and pitstops before don't miss anything.
Was listening to the bring back V10s podcast the other day and they mentioned that at Mexico '90 the Mexican director inexplicably sat on Michele Alboreto's (who qualified 17th) onboard camera for the start and almost the entirety of the first lap, missing everything happening at the front. So, I guess it could be worse.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 28, 2022 9:13:42 GMT
On a different note has anyone watched MotoGP Unlimited? It's very good, much better than Drive to Survive, to me at least. I do wonder how much of that is just that I don't follow MotoGP so don't get annoyed by the inaccuracies that bother me in F1. I haven't noticed any manufactured rider feuds or anything especially suspicious yet. The transparency and access the cameras get to all parties seems broader and better. The other key difference is that MotoGP riders spend an awful lot more time with doctors and being injured. Oh and the MotoGP series is in chronological order so you can actually watch it like a season review, which is miles better and more logical than Drive to Survive jumping around.
Of particular note in episode 3 are scenes with the race director from when Quartararo unzipped his race suit and binned his chest guard mid-race. You see them faced with a totally new situation and they basically freeze because the rules don't explicitly cover this scenario. The race director realises it's unsafe, but in figuring out what's happened and discussing the appropriate action they've dawdled too long to meatball flagging him (or whatever the MotoGP equivalent is). The race director admits it was their mistake for being too slow, so they applied a 3-second post-race penalty and amended the rules for the future.
F1 take note! We can't expect everything in race direction to be perfect, it's a tough job, but we do expect honesty and transparency rather than arse covering and shifting of blame to the drivers/teams.
I don't really have the spare time or BT Sport but this series is doing its intended job of making me want to watch the next Moto GP race.
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Post by brokenkey on Mar 28, 2022 9:14:18 GMT
Surprised no one is bitching about the use of helmet cam on the fast straight towards the end.
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Post by damagedinc on Mar 28, 2022 9:26:57 GMT
Yeah the glare was annoying. Reckon in the daytime races it will be great though
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 28, 2022 9:29:05 GMT
On a different note has anyone watched MotoGP Unlimited? It's very good, much better than Drive to Survive, to me at least. I do wonder how much of that is just that I don't follow MotoGP so don't get annoyed by the inaccuracies that bother me in F1. I haven't noticed any manufactured rider feuds or anything especially suspicious yet. The transparency and access the cameras get to all parties seems broader and better. The other key difference is that MotoGP riders spend an awful lot more time with doctors and being injured. Of particular note in episode 3 are scenes with the race director from when Quartararo unzipped his race suit and binned his chest guard mid-race. You see them faced with a totally new situation and they basically freeze because the rules don't explicitly cover this scenario. The race director realises it's unsafe, but in figuring out what's happened and discussing the appropriate action they've dawdled too long to meatball flagging him (or whatever the MotoGP equivalent is). The race director admits it was their mistake for being too slow, so they applied a 3-second post-race penalty and amended the rules for the future. F1 take note! We can't expect everything in race direction to be perfect, it's a tough job, but we do expect honesty and transparency rather than arse covering and shifting of blame to the drivers/teams. I don't really have the spare time or BT Sport but this series is doing its intended job of making me want to watch the next Moto GP race. Quick PSA - Amazon have done that stupid thing they do of listing the UHD and HD separately as if they are totally unrelated. Only the HD one appeared on my home screen, so I didn't even realise they was a UHD version until I'd watched two episodes. Unsurprisingly, the UHD version looks miles better. Need to specifically search to find it.
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