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Post by myk on Sept 22, 2024 13:49:04 GMT
This is where RB having two teams, one of them willing to finish dead last to take fastest lap from McLaren is a bit of an issue that definitely needs looking at.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 22, 2024 13:49:10 GMT
Well that was certainly a Formula 1 race.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 22, 2024 13:50:04 GMT
Gawd that was dull.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 22, 2024 14:56:14 GMT
This is where RB having two teams, one of them willing to finish dead last to take fastest lap from McLaren is a bit of an issue that definitely needs looking at. Here’s them looking into it *briefcase drops* |
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Post by mastercracker on Sept 22, 2024 15:27:28 GMT
This is where RB having two teams, one of them willing to finish dead last to take fastest lap from McLaren is a bit of an issue that definitely needs looking at. Given that Ricciardo is getting binned and didn’t even get a point for it, dont really get why he didn’t tell them to fuck off. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 22, 2024 15:28:07 GMT
Brutal interview with Danny Ricc on F1TV. Asked why he sat in the car so long at the end (implication being it was his last time in an F1 cockpit) and he could barely formulate an answer he was so emotional. Rambled between long pregnant pauses and obviously couldn't speak only. Really quite sad.
Assuming he knows he's getting the sack, I don't have a problem with the actual decision or the timing of it, but the public comms around it has been so poor. To allow the rumour mill to continue without any support for DR is so disrespectful.
If they aren't willing to commit to DR finishing the season when he's been 'ok', then they clearly have decided that they want to get Lawson in early. So why not give Danny the dignity of certainty and allow him to enjoy his last race and have a decent send off after 250 odd GPs?
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 22, 2024 15:30:28 GMT
This is where RB having two teams, one of them willing to finish dead last to take fastest lap from McLaren is a bit of an issue that definitely needs looking at. Given that Ricciardo is getting binned and didn’t even get a point for it, dont really get why he didn’t tell them to fuck off. Last chance to ever drive an F1 car flat out on fresh soft tyres round the streets of Singapore, versus trundling round well out of the points. No driver is saying no in that scenario. |
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Post by mastercracker on Sept 22, 2024 15:39:53 GMT
Given that Ricciardo is getting binned and didn’t even get a point for it, dont really get why he didn’t tell them to fuck off. Last chance to ever drive an F1 car flat out on fresh soft tyres round the streets of Singapore, versus trundling round well out of the points. No driver is saying no in that scenario. Yeah suppose so, hadn’t thought of it in that context. |
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 22, 2024 22:42:05 GMT
I have little sympathy for ricciardo, nice guy but he messed his career up when he left red bull. He hasn't done anything stand out this year and it makes sense for Lawson to get some experience before next season.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 23, 2024 7:44:46 GMT
Ricciardo has had an alright career though. He was always a number 2 driver in my head. 8 wins isn't something to sniff about.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 23, 2024 10:31:46 GMT
No2 driver is a bit harsh imo. He's obviously not a generational talent, but I think he was comfortably in the tier below, comprised of excellent drivers good enough to win titles in the right circumstances. I only have sympathy around the communication aspect of his exit, I don't feel the timing is incorrect.
Similar to Vettel, Danny can drive a car that suits his style as fast, if not faster, than anyone else and can convert a car advantage to wins. His performance vs well regarded drivers like Vergne (check out his FE record), Vettel, Max, Hulk and Ocon weren't a fluke.
After the Baku incident and Marko and Horner's reaction (forcing him to publicly apologise), I don't blame him jumping ship. They absolutely threw him under the bus to protect Max and why stay where you feel you are underappreciated?
He did very well at Renault and as a manufacturer with huge resources it wasn't a ridiculous gamble. He also made an intelligent call to jump to McLaren when he did. Correctly identified the trends and got himself a massive payday to boot. Probably looked at Norris and fancied his chances at becoming the defacto no1 in that team which was ultimately what cooked his career, and inflicted irreparable reputational damage. It was the first time he just looked plain slow and he's never really recovered.
Not sure whether that is down to confidence, age related decline or the cars and tyres of this era requiring techniques he hasn't mastered. Either way, it's a shame for him but he has vs Norris and Tsunoda to prove his ability and couldn't. Would do well to reflect on JEV's career as a parallel and be quite satisfied with what he's achieved.
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Post by myk on Sept 23, 2024 11:37:06 GMT
I just found it a bit over the top, I guess not many drivers leave midway through a season. Rosberg left on his own terms and it seemed no-one gave a fuck.
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Post by Gruf on Sept 23, 2024 11:48:31 GMT
Yeah, where was fuss when Sergeant "moved on"  Ricciardo has been washed up for many seasons now, even the nutcase that is Tsunoda has outclassed him The cocky look he gives in the SKY driver rollcall at the beginning of races winds we up for some reason, LOL |
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 23, 2024 13:08:13 GMT
Sounds like this thread needs a shoey.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 23, 2024 14:19:07 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 23, 2024 14:23:38 GMT
Reminded me a bit of that Andy Murray press conference at the Aussie Open a few years back.
Different in so far it was universally assumed Murray's injuries rather than his ability had forced a natural conclusion. Every question was basically about his retirement that he hadn't and clearly didn't want to announce.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 24, 2024 15:31:04 GMT
Another member of Red Bull's senior management gone. Their Head of Race Strategy has moved to McLaren.
Not exactly a crisis, but that is now three this season.
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Post by brokenkey on Sept 24, 2024 15:42:53 GMT
Hannah Schmidt?
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 24, 2024 19:15:24 GMT
Will Courtenay joining to become McLaren's Sporting Director.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 27, 2024 9:16:07 GMT
Lawson has confirmed in an interview that he knew two weeks ago that he was in and Danny was out. He spent the whole uncomfortable weekend alongside him in the garage knowing he was taking the blokes seat and had to say nothing whilst Ricciardo did interviews on Friday saying he'd still be racing in Texas.
So the RB hierarchy did inflict unnecessary humiliation on DR. Just seems like a shoddy way to treat any employee, let alone one who has a decent history with you.
My guess is Ricciardo has taken it well because they've left the door open for a 2025 seat. Once that closes I expect we'll hear his side of it.
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Post by brokenkey on Sept 27, 2024 9:56:38 GMT
My friend who works in F1, posted this last weekend on Facebook:
There are a lot of rumours about Ricciardo not finishing the season - possibly Singapore could be his last GP.
This young man came into our sport in 2011 and I had the privilege to have him in my team for 2 seasons before he got promoted to RBR. Daniel is a fast driver, he always was. He provided incredible feedback, commitment and consistency.
"You don't win 8 races if you are an average driver".
He gave a good run for their money to Vettel, Verstappen, Huelkenberg, Sainz, etc. We all remember some epic races with great overtakings.
So how can a good driver struggle so much in current F1 when rookies are jumping on the car and scoring points almost straight away?
The main difference from 2014 and now is that the grip limited region has reduced from 50% (2014) of the lap to 20% (2024) ..... Yes, correct, rest of the lap is full throttle, the car is on rails. #dr3honeybadger
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Post by Buu on Sept 27, 2024 10:55:25 GMT
He shouldn't have even been on the grid after McLaren, in my opinion. Or if he was, he shouldn't have been in a junior team.
He had his chances, some decent highs in 2014 and his season as Renault but other than that? I think he shown us all what he had and it wasn't getting any better. Rather see an exciting new young gun get given the chance
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 27, 2024 10:59:05 GMT
brokenkey That's really interesting and does make some sense, except that if it is on rails, why couldn't he also ride those rails and match the speed of his team mates more often? I read a lot about his struggles at McLaren and apparently his major deficits to Norris were lifting/braking earlier and being less good at using setup instability to rotate the car mid corner, meaning he had to wait longer to get on the throttle. Maybe the effect of getting on the throttle later is compounded in this era? This video on it from a driver coach is one of the places I saw the above. Would be interesting to see if your mate agrees with it or has seen data that suggests otherwise. youtu.be/TVKeBAyIjyw?si=Xmpw9X-0B0uxjc8X
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 30, 2024 17:26:27 GMT
Alpine are swapping to Merc engines!
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 17, 2024 18:45:21 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 17, 2024 23:51:57 GMT
Great, it was always nonsense and represented a hugely unsatisfactory way to decide a title.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 18, 2024 21:44:09 GMT
Oh come on Oscar, that was pretty poor.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 18, 2024 21:50:12 GMT
Also wonder if this might come to something:
IA STEWARDS: SQ1 INCIDENT INVOLVING CARS 1 (VER), 24 (ZHO), 11 (PER), 10 (GAS), 30 (LAW), 23 (ALB), 27 (HUL), 20 (MAG), 77 (BOT), 18 (STR), 16 (LEC), 31 (OCO), 44 (HAM), 63 (RUS) WILL BE INVESTIGATED AFTER THE SESSION - FAILING TO FOLLOW RACE DIRECTORS INSTRUCTIONS - MAXIMUM DELTA TIME
I guess maybe going too slowly trying to cool tyres.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 19, 2024 6:26:13 GMT
I never usually watch the US GP live but the timings seem a bit all over the place.
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Post by Gruf on Oct 19, 2024 7:57:21 GMT
The BBC sites "how to watch" is my goto for races. Precise times for each sessions start.
Not a big fan of Sky padding the weekend out, apart from the Brundle grid walk, essential.
I like the evening races our time, doesn't get in the way of the footy
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