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Post by 111 on Feb 24, 2022 10:58:57 GMT
TBF Merc didn't withdraw their appeal "for the good of the sport", they withdrew it because in F1's rules, the only option to appeal against the race director, stewards etc. is... the FIA's own appeals court. So they dropped it because it would generate them a load of bad publicity for nothing.
We were all discussing in the immediate aftermath of Abu Dhabi whether they would/should take it to CAS but apparently CAS only has jurisdiction over F1 in relation to drug use. There is no independent appeals court/process for anything else.
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Post by Psychotext on Feb 24, 2022 12:37:29 GMT
Vettel continues to be a top man.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2022 12:39:57 GMT
He's a legend. Hopefully it spurs on more drivers to follow suit.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2022 12:52:00 GMT
I get what you are saying and of course the Mercedes decision was pragmatic and designed to protect their investment which is tied to the sport.
However they could still have pursued their legal challenge to the very limit, even knowing they would lose in front of FIAs own 'independent' committee, as a mutually assured destruction strategy.
The potential was there to poke the wound and really embarrass the sport given this is an integrity issue and the strength of evidence. It was obvious that the FIA didn't have a leg to stand on and would lose in any actual independent court. So whilst they would undoubtedly obfuscate, deny and ignore ad infinitum, they'd just look more corrupt and harm the sport further every time they were forced to do so.
Merc aren't bigger than the sport, but they could easily have taken a few hundred million off it's value by dragging it through the mud on their way out.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2022 12:54:03 GMT
Agreed, I don't really see how any sport can take place there and it shouldn't need the participants to take the lead. Good on Seb.
You'd have to assume Haas are a bit worried too. Bad time to be funded by a Russian oligarch with close ties to the Kremlin.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2022 13:03:25 GMT
This after they basically wrote off 2021 to focus on the new cars. They be fucked.
Can see Andretti swooping in and picking up that operation before long. Would obviously be preferable to see 22 cars out there though.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2022 14:46:16 GMT
Yeah agreed. The whole Haas project is weird frankly.
I get Gene Haas wanting an F1 team as he's a motorsport guy, even if (I believe) he started racing to promote his tool business. You'd think their strength was being American and leaning into that market for sponsors and drivers.
However they got Dallara to make a chassis in Italy (whose track record at F1 isn't great) based the race team at Banbury and have their HQ in North Carolina. For a few years it seemed like they had a plan and then it just sort of petered out and they've never made the step to being a 'proper' independent team.
It's felt like about 3-4 years since Gene Haas gave a toss. Seems like he wants to sell but no one wants to buy, which isn't that surprising given they'd need so much investment in implementing an infrastructure that makes sense that a serious manufacturer entering to win would likely prefer to start from scratch or choose a more centralised team.
Surely it kills him to see his name on a car with a Russian flag and Mazepin driving it? I guess business is business but still, he doesn't need the money. I guess it's just about keeping people in jobs and muddling along.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2022 14:57:16 GMT
Shame as they made a surprisingly solid start to life in F1. But they seem to have succumbed to the usual cycle of most new F1 entries of not really attracting the investment to take it to the next level and then having to accept offers from sponsors that take them nowhere and make them compromise their operation just to stay alive for the sake of it.
A few people who know what they are talking about have said that their new car is one of the most developed out there at the moment thanks to their focus on these new regs over the last 12 months. Which doesn't necessarily mean they'll set the world on fire but it would be a shame if they ended up binning an entire year for nothing if they lose their main sponsor and struggle to carry on competing.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2022 16:24:36 GMT
F1 bottling it again thus far. They are 'monitoring' the situation in Ukraine. Genuinely, appalling attitude.
What exactly are you waiting for whilst monitoring? Russia to say it was an accident and apologise?
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2022 16:27:26 GMT
Yep, I'm sure they will cancel the race when it becomes literally untenable to hold it anymore but the cowardly fence sitting is as transparent as it gets. When you're having to hide behind a driver coming out and saying "fuck that shit, I'm not going" you know there's something deeply wrong at the core.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 24, 2022 18:05:50 GMT
I would be willing to bet that haas as it is will not be starting the first race. Unless someone stumps up the same or similar cash.
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Post by spacein_vader on Feb 24, 2022 19:40:51 GMT
I would be willing to bet that haas as it is will not be starting the first race. Unless someone stumps up the same or similar cash. Andretti want a team and were willing to pay the £200m bond to start one.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2022 20:28:08 GMT
Sounds like they've fucked off the Russian livery at the very least.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 25, 2022 7:49:49 GMT
Yeah. Right call.
I feel slightly sorry for Nikita (but not very - he's still a gropey pervy thug), because I presume he barely knows Putin and deserves the benefit of doubt.
Mazepin senior is a different matter.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 26, 2022 22:05:16 GMT
I've got a lot of time for Romain, but this is classic Grosjean:
I guess he'll never lose that capacity to occasionally do something utterly stupid behind the wheel.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 3, 2022 17:09:45 GMT
Think I might give Drive to Survive a miss this year. It sounds like they've doubled down on the totally unnecessary contrived nonsense. Mad seeing how much actual drama there was last season.
Mild spoiler from the Race Fans review:
Having explored the Mazepin camp’s doubts over the parity of equipment between the two drivers, the Russian Grand Prix at Sochi is built up as his chance to shine. Leaving aside such apparently insignificant details as Mick Schumacher out-qualifying him by almost four seconds, and overtaking him before retiring with a hydraulic problem, Mazepin’s decision to pit when rain fell late in the race is played up as a tactical masterstroke.
He’s told he “ended up beating Latifi and Mick”, though neither were running at the flag. It’s a shame this contrivance was manufactured when programme makers could have told real and better stories, not least Schumacher wrestling the car into Q2 later in the year.
Pro-Russian disinformation. READ THE ROOM LADS!
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 3, 2022 17:22:10 GMT
I've barely watched it since season 1. I'd imagine WWE wrestling portrays men fighting better than DTS does Formula 1.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 5, 2022 9:12:18 GMT
Mazepins have been dumped by Haas.
Would be great to see someone more deserving in that seat. Piastri or Hulkenberg maybe.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 5, 2022 9:21:22 GMT
While he's clearly a bit of a cunt and isn't a good enough driver to justify being in F1, I do have slight sympathy as it's a really unfortunate way to lose your seat. He was just collateral, really.
Then again there are plenty of better drivers who have been dropped from teams without a care in the world, so maybe I'm just getting a bit too sentimental in my old age.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 5, 2022 9:27:48 GMT
Agreed I have slight sympathy, as I expressed earlier in the thread.
On the one hand Nikita isn't responsible for his dad, on the other he himself has done several objectively awful things in his career that by rights should have ended it earlier. Also if he was in F1 on merit (which he wasn't) he'd have already lost the seat based on performance.
Therefore overall, I think there's a bit of karma to it. Kudos to Haas for acting reasonably swiftly and taking a firm stand. The statement condemns the Russian invasion directly.
I now want them to do well this year! Just hope they aren't forced to get into bed with a different dodgy sponsor to continue.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 5, 2022 9:31:18 GMT
After this and the Rich Energy fiasco, you'd hope they are switched on enough from those experiences to do a bit of due diligence at any title sponsor offers that come in.
So definitely some NFT/Crypto startup they never see a penny from then.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 5, 2022 9:50:36 GMT
Drivers buying a seat is F1 tradition but Mazepin was fucking rubbish, like someone spending a fortune on pay to win micro transactions and having very little talent.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 5, 2022 14:39:05 GMT
Drivers buying a seat is F1 tradition but Mazepin was fucking rubbish, like someone spending a fortune on pay to win micro transactions and having very little talent. He had enough talent to compete at F2 level, where the cars are more even so I don't think his brief F1 stint is entirely a fair reflection of his ability. I've never liked the guy because of his behaviour and personality but he's far from the worst pay driver in F1 history. It's better to judge him from F2 where he was mostly midpack, with the occasional stand out performance. Absolutely did not deserve promotion to F1 ahead of about 10-20 more talented guys in recent years but it wouldn't be fair to say he had nothing about him. If you want to see what zero talent actually looks like when they buy a seat in elite Motorsport, search Mahaveer Ragunathan on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 9:46:39 GMT
Just a reminder that MotoGp is back today.
Rossi gone, Marquez still injured. Could be a cracker of a season with no one standing out as an obvious winner.
Also super excited to see what Darren Binder can do. I have been following Brad avidly since he was a kid so his brother jumping so quickly into the big leagues when he is so raw is interesting.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Mar 6, 2022 10:29:23 GMT
Yeah I'll have to avoid the thread for spoilers, keen to see how Gardner goes as well. I generally watch it late at night and maybe over a day or two.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 6, 2022 10:59:26 GMT
Where can we watch it this season?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 12:28:27 GMT
Where can we watch it this season? Bt sport, or the app has a video pass. You may need to vpn when you buy the pass, you can't buy in UK but if you vpn from German it is 50 euros or so. Then you can watch from UK through the app.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Mar 6, 2022 12:34:01 GMT
For me it's on DAZN but that is not of much use I guess to you.
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Post by muddyfunster on Mar 6, 2022 17:42:00 GMT
Thanks. Not having BT Sport is one of the main reasons I stopped watching. The other is that with FE, F3, F2, F1, Le Mans and the occasional BTCC and Indycar race it's hard to adequately explain to my partner why I need to watch even more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 21:32:32 GMT
Horner has really gone from someone I respect to someone I despise over the past few years, but fuck me he is almost as bad as verstappen these days for whining and accusations. Not a hint of self awareness in this interview. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60651647
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