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Post by damagedinc on Dec 13, 2021 16:07:47 GMT
It is a bit bigger than Lewis vs max. It's a sporting issue. I imagine merc will be heavily compensated or given some golden ticket like ferrari and the rocket engine.
Merc in return come out and say they don't agree with the result but accept it for the good of the fans and that Lewis wants to win it on traxk. F1 admit that it was mishandled but with good intentions and there will be learning.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 16:20:06 GMT
It is but I'm sure he will have been consulted on the matter, and he doesn't strike me as someone who'd want his name associated with that sort of thing. It is what it is, really. Equally damaging to strip someone who has thrown the dice, played the hand they were dealt and succeeded.
The attention it has garnered alone will probably be enough to do some lasting good anyway. It sounds like the radio calls are being chucked straight into the bin, which is an excellent start.
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Post by Psychotext on Dec 13, 2021 16:24:47 GMT
I really fucking hope the field is closer bunched next year. The races where we've suddenly had a McLaren / Ferrari / Whatever in the mix have been great.
Really sick of the top two drivers being able to pit and come out still ahead of the rest of the pack.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 16:52:42 GMT
Yep, I am extremely glad to see the back of this era. Hopefully it's close enough that other actual racing cars are able to stay within the pit window of the front runners to mix it up, and the tyres and cars give them the incentive to do anything other than pull over onto the side of the road for them to sail by when they have the audacity to be sharing the same piece of road.
It's been really shit for very long periods. This season feels like karma for sticking with it.
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Post by muddyfunster on Dec 13, 2021 17:00:33 GMT
Prior to this weekend, I was kind of hoping that next year, we'd have totally new frontrunners as it would be great to see some totally new drivers and teams in that position. I was also thinking that I'd probably favour Russell more than Hamilton in the Mercedes battle.
Hamilton massively surprised me with how graciously he dealt with one of the most epic shaftings in sporting history. I've never hugely warmed to him as a person before but rather like Massa after Brazil 2008, he's gone up in my estimations a hell of a lot.
I'd really like to see him to get one more than bow out now. That record didn't matter to me in the slightest until yesterday. If it turns out to be between George's first and Hamilton's eighth next year, that's no longer the easy answer it would once have been.
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Post by Psychotext on Dec 13, 2021 17:02:57 GMT
Hamilton massively surprised me with how graciously he dealt with one of the most epic shaftings in sporting history. I've never hugely warmed to him as a person before but rather like Massa after Brazil 2008, he's gone up in my estimations a hell of a lot. Agreed, though with that said his general attitude seems to have massively improved this year, so I've been impressed on a number of occasions in 2021. I think he's finally had the chance to grow up a bit and see that there's a world beyond the F1 bubble. |
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Post by monkman5000 on Dec 13, 2021 17:06:52 GMT
I really hope Ferrari and McLaren are up there going for regular wins next year. Add Leclerc, Sainz, Norris and hopefully an improved Ricciardo into the mix with Verstappen, Hamilton and Russell and it could be extremely tasty.
I think someone already said it but I'm hugely impressed with Sainz beating Leclerc in his first season. He's had a quietly superb year.
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Post by damagedinc on Dec 13, 2021 17:52:31 GMT
Best take I've seen on twitter....
They wanted a dramatic finish. Racing is organically dramatic. Latifi crashed w 5 laps. Max's advantage-tires. Lewis'-track position/ 5 cars between him/Max. Track cleared for 1 racing lap. Organic.Masi eliminated Lewis' advantage, WHY not let BOTH overcome their disadvantage?
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Dec 13, 2021 18:03:37 GMT
I really hope Ferrari and McLaren are up there going for regular wins next year. Add Leclerc, Sainz, Norris and hopefully an improved Ricciardo into the mix with Verstappen, Hamilton and Russell and it could be extremely tasty.
I think someone already said it but I'm hugely impressed with Sainz beating Leclerc in his first season. He's had a quietly superb year.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hamilton retires. I think if he won he would have, but there might be a bit of fight him in to still give it one more season. In a way I would kind of like to see Oscar Piastri join the likes of Max, Norris, Russell, Sainz, Leclerc. Boy has talent. But yeah I hope the field is a lot closer. Like to see a three/four way title battle for sure. |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 18:22:26 GMT
I have to +1 the praise for Hamilton. Racing aside which he's also been exceptional in this year, the way he's used his voice to finally fully speak against the grain of where F1 is headed ethically is the stuff of a true role model. The fact he's been overlooked for sports personality this year while people like known homophobe and misogynist Tyson Fury is given the nod is disgraceful, if sadly unsurprising.
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Post by monkman5000 on Dec 13, 2021 18:24:28 GMT
FAKKIN LEWIS HAMILTOOOOOOOONNNNNNN This opening post shall forever be dedicated to Monkman.  |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 18:28:12 GMT
Heh, it will stand the test of time.
Really don't have a problem with the guy when he's doing the good he's doing. I simply can't abide the version that can't go two sentences without insinuating something stupid.
Chilled Ham is best Ham. The food and the person.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 18:31:43 GMT
Actually that's just a lie. Honey glazed all the way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 18:36:15 GMT
Can't you let a young powerful black man just exist without wanting to coat him in honey.
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Post by JYM60 on Dec 13, 2021 18:48:21 GMT
If Hamilton retired as soon as Mercedes lost their ridiculous advantage, it would be slightly FRAUD ACTIONS.
I would actually watch more often if Hamilton was battling racers every race, and not having an absolute cake walk like most of his career.
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Post by muddyfunster on Dec 13, 2021 18:49:39 GMT
I think someone already said it but I'm hugely impressed with Sainz beating Leclerc in his first season. He's had a quietly superb year.
I've rated Sainz for a long time, but he has surprised me with how well he's matched up with Leclerc. This season suggests he's a potential top tier talent rather than a second tier. Also retrospectively suggests Norris might be the real deal given he gave him a hard time as an absolute rookie and only got closer. Those two are are probably the 'breakthroughs' from this season in terms of their 'stock rising' when both were predicted to struggle against highly rated new teammates. |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 18:52:37 GMT
Will be interesting to see if things get reset to zero at teams like McLaren with the reg changes. If Norris is still comfortably outpacing Ric after a wiped slate he's going to be hard to ignore for long if you're a top team.
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Post by brokenkey on Dec 13, 2021 18:59:58 GMT
I have to +1 the praise for Hamilton. Racing aside which he's also been exceptional in this year, the way he's used his voice to finally fully speak against the grain of where F1 is headed ethically is the stuff of a true role model. The fact he's been overlooked for sports personality this year while people like known homophobe and misogynist Tyson Fury is given the nod is disgraceful, if sadly unsurprising. I'm sure the knighthood will make up for it. |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 19:06:29 GMT
As will his squillions. But some sporting recognition would be nice.
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Post by muddyfunster on Dec 13, 2021 19:06:58 GMT
Mclaren's new wind tunnel should come online next year, but I guess 2024 might be the first car to really benefit from it. I'd love Mclaren to become a major player again. They are my 'local' F1 team.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 13, 2021 19:15:05 GMT
Yeah it's so weird feeling like its a huge deal that they were fighting for 3rd this year. Need them back at the sharp end. Really hope customer teams have more of a fair crack this time around.
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Post by muddyfunster on Dec 14, 2021 9:19:37 GMT
Another interesting angle in all this is the betting markets. I wonder how much money was won and lost and would be open to legal challenges. I'm not sure whether this strengthens Mercedes or the FIAs position/resolve but it's got to be a factor.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Dec 14, 2021 9:26:57 GMT
I believe paddy power actually paid out on Both Lewis and Max winning both race and title.
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 14, 2021 9:39:36 GMT
Mclaren's new wind tunnel should come online next year, but I guess 2024 might be the first car to really benefit from it. I'd love Mclaren to become a major player again. They are my 'local' F1 team. They've been my favourite since Hakkinen & Coulthard. Hamilton ditching them is one reason I'm not a fan of the guy. |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 14, 2021 9:42:49 GMT
Bloody hell, they are already back testing today.
Got to feel for Bottas in the Alfa for the first time today. Must be sat there thinking "You guys were driving this shit all along!?"
From brake magic and stalled aero genius to not being able to work a fucking drinks bottle properly for half a season. Poor guy.
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Post by Gruf on Dec 14, 2021 9:44:48 GMT
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 14, 2021 9:45:53 GMT
Verstappen 3 and a half seconds off the pace. Must be one hell of a hangover.
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Post by snackplissken on Dec 14, 2021 9:47:36 GMT
Suppose if your day job is driving an F1 car I'd be.. yep I'll have some of that.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Dec 14, 2021 9:52:30 GMT
"Valtteri, you can't take that corner flat. We got our floor from Wickes".
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Post by Psychotext on Dec 14, 2021 10:12:14 GMT
"Valtteri, you can't take that corner flat. We got our floor from Wickes". /sensible chuckle |
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