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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 4, 2024 16:58:19 GMT
Probably just a (decent) joke. Fine to give a bit back to the press, all part of the game, though it's amusing that this was where his mind was at that moment of triumph. Evidently he's more sensitive than he portrays himself to be.
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 4, 2024 19:07:05 GMT
I don't think so. I think that about halfway through the conference it dawned on him that they were not getting any questions from the usual suspects. Which leads me to believe they actually really weren't there.
/edit I've found some confirmations. Massively disrespectful, also to Esteban and Pierre.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 4, 2024 20:33:15 GMT
That's so weird.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 5, 2024 0:16:46 GMT
I'm not sure we can ever know whether the reduced press conference attendance was some sort of calculated sleight. Of course there will be plenty of journalists with qualified respect for Max, especially British ones. He keeps running his rivals off the road and then playing the victim. No amount of winning will change things because the reservations stem from his attitude and approach not his ability.
Seems like Max decided long ago he wasn't fussed about being internationally popular (like Hamilton) or his legacy (like Vettel). He just does what he does and refuses to accept any criticism or make any changes. It is what it is at this point.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 5, 2024 8:46:30 GMT
Just for balance I also thought Lando's comments after the race lacked class and he let himself down a bit.
I don't think he was wrong in that there was more luck than skill in terms of Max getting in front of him. Prior to the red it looked like he'd got as stuck as everyone else and he certainly didn't make anything close to the 17 overtakes which you'd assume if you only read the headlines this week. Obviously it still takes a lot of skill to bank the luck in a wet race like that. See Perez for someone in a very similar car who started almost alongside him for how it could've gone without the skill.
There was just no need to say anything, and no way any negativity to Max was ever going to sound reasonable in that moment. Max didn't do anything wrong, and those who know F1 knew what had happened anyway. He should've taken a leaf out of Hamilton's book and just kept his mouth shut. Another thing he has to learn as he matures.
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Post by mastercracker on Nov 5, 2024 9:28:39 GMT
Just for balance I also thought Lando's comments after the race lacked class and he let himself down a bit. I don't think he was wrong in that there was more luck than skill in terms of Max getting in front of him. Prior to the red it looked like he'd got as stuck as everyone else and he certainly didn't make anything close to the 17 overtakes which you'd assume if you only read the headlines this week. Obviously it still takes a lot of skill to bank the luck in a wet race like that. See Perez for someone in a very similar car who started almost alongside him for how it could've gone without the skill. There was just no need to say anything, and no way any negativity to Max was ever going to sound reasonable in that moment. Max didn't do anything wrong, and those who know F1 knew what had happened anyway. He should've taken a leaf out of Hamilton's book and just kept his mouth shut. Another thing he has to learn as he matures. Similar to when he said Hamilton only won cos he had the best car. Well yeah he did for the most part but you've still got to do your bit, something he hasn't done quite often enough in the same position. Rather he spoke his mind though than turn into a media trained bot like Hamilton did for a good few years. This British media whinge card they pull every so often is also fucking garbage really. The British mainstream media largely couldn't give a shite about F1 and in fact when Hamilton was winning every year he was hated by plenty here. The British F1 media would be criticising Verstappen if he was running Leclerc/Sainz/Alonso/whoever off the road. Its got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his only ever title rivals have been British. In fact F1 is largely unpatriotic in terms of competitor support compared to most sports imo. You cant tell me the British Media slate Verstappen for 1) regularly being an arsehole and 2) regularly showing appalling driving standards whilst the rest of the world outside Holland never say anything bad about him and purely praise his supreme talent. He does an awful lot of whinging for someone who doesn't care what people think. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 5, 2024 10:23:56 GMT
As I said in the comment above the one you quoted, I'm not sure what media coverage Max expects given his own choices.
Implying some sort of British bias to deflect from uncomfortable criticism of your driving is just classic Alonso. "No I didn't brake test someone or run them off the road, it's that I've got the wrong passport!"
This was a thing in F1 once long ago. Post Senna, Bernie was worried about the lack of 'stars', and used the tabloids to make Hill vs Schumacher a nationalistic attention grabber. Some of those headlines and that treatment crossed the line. F1 was smaller then.
Since then, the British tabloids have gone back to seeing F1 as niche and the broadsheets and specialist motorsport press are quite fair.
Ironically the likes Autosport, The Race, Motorsport Magazine have international readerships because of the depth of their coverage. Likewise loads of nations outside the UK take Sky Commentary because it's good and relatively impartial.
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Post by zisssou on Nov 5, 2024 10:32:31 GMT
F1 for me has always been a weird one. There is obviously some element of tribalism, in that I like Ferrari, Red Bull etc. But whenever someone wins the championship multiple times, then they turn on them.
But it isn't like football that you support Arsenal, United etc. It is a real I want to see a fall from grace for that driver.
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Post by dangerousdave on Nov 5, 2024 11:38:28 GMT
A lot of drivers grow arrogant with success. Alonso, Vettell, Hamilton, Schumacher, Senna and Verstappen have all been there. Vettel managed to completely turn that around after leaving Ferrari and Hamilton has moments of humility, but most never recover.
You have to appreciate the sheer talent on display, but folk will always back the ‘good guy’ if they get a chance at success.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 5, 2024 13:50:17 GMT
All those guys you mention were different characters and came from very different backgrounds. I guess that's why it's interesting! Not sure I agree that it's about success more than anything else.
We all know people we otherwise respect who drive selfishly or turn nasty in certain competitive situations. Up to each individual what they are happy to overlook and make allowances for.
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Post by zisssou on Nov 5, 2024 13:54:01 GMT
I wasn't old enough to know Senna's shenanigans, Schumacher is more my era. Drove me up the wall many times. Just got to accept that some drivers push the boundaries and it makes it somewhat entertaining.
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Post by mastercracker on Nov 5, 2024 14:57:13 GMT
I'd describe Hamilton as aloof more than arrogant in his earlier years. Then he went through years of saying the same media driven thing after every win - "shout out to all the fans out there". I think its probably only the last 5/6 years where he's become comfortable in himself.
Vettel, yeah complete redemption arc from seeming a bit of a dick to genuinely sound guy.
Alonso, always been about him and him only.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 5, 2024 17:53:38 GMT
Senna was an asshole on track, I was too young to appreciate that at the time. I think if it was now I'd be team Prost all the way. Went way over the line.
Schumacher and Vettel I'd both put as good blokes outside the car and totally selfish and morally suspect in it. Both were well liked in the paddock throughout their time in F1. I'm not sure Vettel ever really changed in terms of his approach to competition. He was pretty old and still driving into the side of Hamilton and Leclerc on the straight and blaming them.
Hamilton was insecure and awkward when he came though and it was alternating false bravado or obvious 'please love me'. As you say he calmed down and stopped most of that stuff once he got comfortable with himself.
Totally agree on Alonso. Never warmed to him for the same reason. Hugely calculating in everything he says and does with one aim, his own image.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 5, 2024 18:22:09 GMT
Not sure what it says about me, but I’ve always gravitated towards the arrogant, egotistical, assholes of the sport  Always loved a bit of Senna, Alonso and Vettel. Verstappen is tame in comparison, although I’d guess every F1 driver is an egotistical nightmare to a certain extent. Vettel somehow even managed to skirt the fine line between asshole and complete dude, too. Would probably have somehow wound up in both Team Hunt and Team Lauda if I was old enough. At the end of the day, sport is entertainment and nice guys are boring. |
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Always loved a bit of Senna, Alonso and Vettel. Verstappen is tame in comparison, although I’d guess every F1 driver is an egotistical nightmare to a certain extent.