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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:22:39 GMT
To be fair, there'll be more changes if it doesn't dry up.
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Post by nazo on Nov 3, 2024 17:23:45 GMT
Well that's about as bad as possible. Let's hope for another safety car! Let’s hope not, it would probably drop Lando out of the points completely |
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:24:36 GMT
Looked to me like he got spooked by Charles on his inside.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:25:02 GMT
Need to get Piastri out the way now.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:33:12 GMT
There may be one more opportunity to do something meaningful by swapping early to dry tyres. Otherwise I think the Champ is done (if it wasn't already). The Maccas just don't seem to have the straight line speed to overtake anyone.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 3, 2024 17:39:31 GMT
Perez never fails to disappoint.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:41:11 GMT
It is amazing how Perez continues to make things look so so difficult.
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Post by mastercracker on Nov 3, 2024 17:52:00 GMT
Was hoping the title would at least go to AD for some drama but done in Vegas now I think.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:53:05 GMT
Doesn't look like McLaren had the pace anyway to be fair. Maybe if Max had stayed bottled up a win was possible, but they've both got clear air in front of them and aren't fast in these conditions.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 3, 2024 17:55:26 GMT
Well I think that’s that then.
Max was on fire and McLaren were their own worst enemy again.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 3, 2024 17:56:03 GMT
Yeah the drivers championship is very much over.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 17:57:52 GMT
Unfortunately I just think sport happened to them today.
Without Colapinto's crash I think Lando would've got away at the front and perhaps would've built up enough of a gap. Just bad luck. Lando's mistake cost two places though.
However it's increasingly obvious they didn't have the fastest car this weekend. Max looked fastest yesterday as well let's not forget.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 3, 2024 17:59:03 GMT
Huge well done to Alpine.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 3, 2024 18:00:36 GMT
I just don’t think there was any reason to bring Norris in then, rather than just wait and see how that rain played out. Seemed stupid at the time and even more stupid now.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 18:00:52 GMT
Maybe the fact that other than when it was very wet, no one could overtake on Inters without DRS is something that needs looking at? Especially as this is a track that is very racey in the dry. Quite strange.
Equally may just be the unusual fact that parc ferme started later at a time when everyone 'knew' the race was going to be wet and stuck on a load of downforce.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 3, 2024 18:01:43 GMT
Verstappen might still have won it mind you. Guy was straight up rapid today.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 3, 2024 18:03:39 GMT
Very hard to know. He was certainly able to pass in the early stages, but he also got stuck behind Leclerc and others as it dried up.
Fair play, he had the pace and Red Bull made the right calls, but there's was a healthy slice of luck in there, just as they had bad luck yesterday.
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Post by mastercracker on Nov 3, 2024 18:50:25 GMT
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 3, 2024 19:08:31 GMT
Hah - I watched that with the sound off at first, then second time around...  |
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 3, 2024 20:28:45 GMT
Fuck me, he's told to reverse but he just drives forward instead, hell he doesn't even attempt to spin it as he's on tarmac.
The engineer sounded like a driving test examiner, the next thing he'd probably have said was "I'm sorry to tell you Mr Stroll but you have not passed your driving test today."
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Post by zisssou on Nov 3, 2024 21:07:07 GMT
Can’t deny what Max achieved today. Absolutely pulled everyone’s pants down there. Even the pundits.
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Post by askew on Nov 3, 2024 22:26:37 GMT
Guess that new engine was turned up to 11
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Post by dangerousdave on Nov 4, 2024 8:50:53 GMT
A shame for Norris, but he wasn’t on form yesterday. A number of costly little mistakes. Luck wasn’t on his side either, but you can tell he has some pressure management he needs to work on. Hopefully from this point onward the team just focuses on the constructors title and nabbing that. They absolutely deserve it.
Maybe drop the team orders too, so Piastri doesn’t develop a frustration that grows into next season.
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Post by mastercracker on Nov 4, 2024 9:24:29 GMT
A shame for Norris, but he wasn’t on form yesterday. A number of costly little mistakes. Luck wasn’t on his side either, but you can tell he has some pressure management he needs to work on. Hopefully from this point onward the team just focuses on the constructors title and nabbing that. They absolutely deserve it. Maybe drop the team orders too, so Piastri doesn’t develop a frustration that grows into next season. There's just too many errors that creep in, particularly when put under pressure. This season could have been his best ever shot though, in F1 you never quite know whats round the corner performance wise and Piastri is certainly going to cause him problems. |
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Post by Phattso on Nov 4, 2024 9:37:18 GMT
Much as I'm in the Anyone But Max camp, if Norris somehow managed to limp over the line I don't think he'd feel like a "worthy" champion any more than Bumper Cars Verstappen would for me.
It's just nice to have a bit of a shakeup, with the top three (or four if Merc can pull their heads out of their arses) manufacturers potentially looking good for next season.
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Post by Gruf on Nov 4, 2024 9:53:00 GMT
At least he has been made to work for it for the first time in years.
The number of different winners and decent races has been refreshing as well.
Next season should be fun
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Post by zisssou on Nov 4, 2024 9:59:02 GMT
I think there's an element of RB have been in this position multiple times. They know what to do strategy wise.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 4, 2024 11:13:59 GMT
Yeah I do think Norris will be stronger next year, he's been pretty bloody good this year but ultimately Max has been a bit better. Similarly Red Bull have got more strategic calls right than McLaren. They deserve it more. They should really have the WCC too.
Frankly you'd expect this from a more mature driver and team. It's also never really been a title fight as we commonly think of them. Max has never had a single race win margin to put the pressure on.
Lando has made very few big mistakes, I'm struggling to think of any clangers? However he's made numerous small ones and been punished severely in terms of dropped points almost every time. Cumulatively they meant that he never really created enough pressure on Max.
That's just sport and I'm sure he'll learn from it as he's honest with himself.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 4, 2024 11:17:12 GMT
Also think the second phase of starts needs looking at for next year. He and Oscar often get off the line well and then lose out in second phase to Red Bull and Merc.
Is that a driver error thing, or a technique thing or a car thing? Either way it's cost them several times this year, especially earlier on (before their revised rear wings) when they often had pace but couldn't show it as they were stuck in traffic.
Yesterday was actually a return to that first half of season issue because they stuck that barn door rear wing on. Seemingly more than those around them.
Plenty for them to ruminate on and rectify.
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Post by Red_Bool on Nov 4, 2024 16:26:06 GMT
Question: I just watched the post race press conference and Max jokingly asked where the British press was (great moment 😁).
Is it true that they did not attend? If so then that would be pathetic and disgraceful. I can understand that they're disappointed, but come on!
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