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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 12:46:30 GMT
No chat on the race? Rain playing havoc with strategies...
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 12:50:25 GMT
It's a dull one really. They've got that slicktermediate compound going again but everyone's wise to it this time. I'm enjoying Jenson's commentary though, it's pure AMSR for a quiet Sunday afternoon.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 12:58:09 GMT
That was nice though
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 12:59:02 GMT
Perez
2021 season: I sleep
Hamilton's behind me: real shit
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:01:54 GMT
These new pit stops are dog shit.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 13:03:59 GMT
Vettel going backwards.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:04:22 GMT
Speaking of pits, Red Bull have fucked that one pitting Perez.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:11:54 GMT
Hamilton needs to tell them to shut the fuck up here. No idea how these teams have learned nothing from last year.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 13:23:57 GMT
That didn't seem like the right move to me.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:24:59 GMT
They've lost some points playing it so safe there. Hamilton will be fuming about that.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 10, 2021 13:25:18 GMT
No idea what Mercedes and Hamilton were doing there really.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 13:26:16 GMT
If he can claw back 4th, then it probably doesn't matter. Only a chance he'd have been caught for 4th though.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:27:06 GMT
Lewis wanted to stay out. Mercedes have totally bottled that one for him. Far too much reliance on computer simulations with that one.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 10, 2021 13:29:44 GMT
They should have either made him come in earlier or after that just left it. Giving him a few laps to the make it back up is just a nothing option.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:32:57 GMT
Should have left it. He had that unique compound going on again where it's actually better than putting a new tyre on. Why they haven't listened to him there is mind boggling to me.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 10, 2021 13:35:03 GMT
He's proper mad.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 13:36:34 GMT
I'm not surprised, their stupid overanalyzing has totally fucked him over there. They were leagues ahead this weekend and have come out of it looking like chumps.
Chuffed for Bottas.
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Post by monkman5000 on Oct 10, 2021 20:12:27 GMT
You never know. Two laps from the end his tyres could have given up completely like Max's did in Baku. Two places lost, but possibly equally five gained.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 10, 2021 20:21:17 GMT
In hindsight they've taken the safest course of action but if anyone can see a set of tyres to the end, that's yer man.
Poor from them overall though. They could have overruled him earlier and it seemed like they communicated poorly, or not at all, where he'd end up after a stop. He was absolutely fuming after the race.
Really dull race that one was. That a pit stop is the big talking point says it all really.
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Post by monkman5000 on Oct 10, 2021 20:49:33 GMT
Yeah, was gutted I couldn't watch it live but in the end nothing much happened at all.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 11, 2021 10:14:24 GMT
Bit of a 6/10 race that one. I wasn't bored and there were some fun moments, but there was definitely a sense of building anticipation for something more that never really materialised. I quite enjoyed the novelty of the generic one-stop/undercut strat being out the window.
Sainz showed how good his racecraft is once again, and it was nice to see the Ferrari competitive. Good professional job from Bottas, and a reminder that in the right circumstances he can be fast and consistent. It would have been very easy for him to snatch a brake just as he did last year, run wide, lose tyre temp and get into that cycle of pain. Must have been on his mind. His move on Leclerc was unusually decisive as well.
Regarding the Ham pit strat, this wasn't a classic Merc blunder. Sure with hindsight, he should absolutely have pitted when Bottas & Max did, and with more time he'd probably have recovered to at least 4th, perhaps 3rd. However the no stop strat or even being able to put slicks on and win the race weren't out of the question on the laps when they agreed to delay.
Red Bull called it correctly with the pragmatic option, but Mercedes strategy to delay was more aggressive and it made it interesting. After all, they won by being unconventional last year.
When they did call Lewis in, it was reasonably clear from the timing screens that he was already too slow (1.5s per lap off the pace) and getting slower, much as Leclerc had been a few laps before. Based on his relative speed to Ocon on tyres of the same age, he'd likely have been caught at 3secs a lap by Perez and Leclerc had he stayed out with no means to defend. Probably would have ended up fifth anyway but with the extra risk of a blowout, or a safety car period which would have been a disaster with no tread left to get tyre temp. Pirelli man seemed certain his tyres wouldn't have lasted anyway.
Jenson earned his money on co-comms, consistently called the fairly complex tyre situation correctly from the get-go. Unfortunately, he's too nice to shut Crofty down whenever he's indulging in speculative nonsense like Rosberg did at Hungary.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 11, 2021 14:34:07 GMT
This article about the DTM finale is pretty interesting, and the DTM should really be seen as a cautionary tale for F1: the-race.com/touring-car/dtm-finale-was-an-offensively-unjust-way-to-decide-a-title/I just watched the race highlights on Youtube and it's really pretty sickening if you care about fair motorsport. Lawson (in a Red Bull Ferrari) was clearly leading the Championship and on pole for both races. Pre Norising, Kevin van der Linde (Audi) was the nearest Champ rival with Gotz (Merc) third. There are 7 Mercs and only 2 Ferraris in the field. R1 - Van der Linde dangerously dive-bombed Lawson into T1 but fortunately, he jinked out the way and survived. KVDL didn't get a penalty and remained in contention for Sunday. R2 - This time Lawson ensures he doesn't leave any gap but Van der Linde just does it again and leaves the track to get up the inside and t-bones Lawson out of the race. KVDL gets a 5s penalty and continues. Gotz was now in with a shout of the title if he won and all the Merc cars (despite being run as several different teams) enacted a massive team orders exercise to get him promoted up the field. Late in the race KVDL defends desperately and dangerously against Gotz making contact again, but only succeeds in getting a puncture himself that takes him out of the race for good. TLDR - Gotz takes the title thanks to KVDL murdering Lawson and Merc owning half the field and getting them to move aside. Total bullshit, and nicely demonstrates the consequence of: a) a failure to penalise 'move or we crash' divebombs when the recipient manages to get out of the way. It simply encourages the more aggressive drivers to keep attempting them. These lunges are anti-racing and routinely ruin otherwise entertaining races and Championships by prematurely ending the fun. b) permitting manufacturers to have significant influence in multiple teams is the antithesis of competitive sport. Having three drivers from three different teams slow down and move aside for Gotz to enable him to win, makes it a hollow victory. Why would RB/Ferrari or another manufacturer bother entering if you actually need to enter 6 or 7 cars to compete? The FIA needs to take note of both points as there are clear parallels for modern F1. |
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Post by myk on Oct 11, 2021 15:10:58 GMT
That was a video game overtake, crazy it was just a 5 sec
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Post by arnvidr on Oct 11, 2021 17:13:17 GMT
The perfect race for a Sunday where I have a heavy hangover and trouble keeping my eyes open.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 19:08:45 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 12, 2021 14:16:24 GMT
Thanks for sharing that. They must have had to made some excuse for it randomly being a black cab (rather than the usual car service) that was picking him up, for him to even consider getting in it.
In any case, it's clear he was a bit concerned and he certainly comes across much better than he does at the track, much more patient. Surely Red Bull will be giving him a massive bollocking for not wearing a seatbelt given how much they've got riding on him keeping safe and well.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 23, 2021 22:07:52 GMT
Well, that's certainly a surprise. Fairly ominous for Merc that Red Bull are this good here.
Certainly used to be the case that the 'even' side of the grid was difficult here as well.
Perez won't be holding back into T1 will he.
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Post by damagedinc on Oct 23, 2021 22:14:11 GMT
Well, that's certainly a surprise. Fairly ominous for Merc that Red Bull are this good here. Certainly used to be the case that the 'even' side of the grid was difficult here as well. Perez won't be holding back into T1 will he. Lost bottas to engine pens aswell. I think merc be better on race pace but red bull looking very strong. |
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Post by KD on Oct 23, 2021 22:37:39 GMT
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Post by Buu on Oct 24, 2021 16:08:19 GMT
If Max wins today Lewis can kiss number 8 bye bye for now.
I've accepted Max will win before the summer break to be honest.
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