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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 26, 2021 14:07:19 GMT
It is what it is. At the very least you can say he hasn't raised his kid to be an entitled prick about things. F1's lucky to have him.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 26, 2021 14:08:12 GMT
Nah, of course. I don't hold it against him, I just find it quite funny. I think it's only really Ocon and Hamilton that don't come from reasonably wealthy families. Money alone isn't enough anyway, you need talent and dedication too.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 26, 2021 14:08:13 GMT
I used to work with his dad. He made a fortune in share options from our company, and quit at about 40 with this crazy idea of buying a lorry to drive his son around the country go karting so he'd become a F1 driver.
We all thought he was bonkers. But yes, that's what you can do with a few million.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 26, 2021 14:11:56 GMT
Money alone isn't enough anyway, you need talent and dedication too. Of course. Opportunity is just the starting point.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 26, 2021 14:12:29 GMT
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 26, 2021 14:13:05 GMT
Ahhhhh I'm so gutted. It reminds me of when Mika and Kimi's McLaren would inevitably break down at exactly the wrong time and I'd spend the rest of my Sunday moping.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 26, 2021 15:33:25 GMT
Really reminds me of Hill 1993. He lost three 'first' race wins in a row through no fault of his own. Team orders, then an engine failure, then a puncture in three (I think successive?) races.
Had a proper sulk about the unfairness of those as a 9 year old.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 26, 2021 15:44:33 GMT
It's kind of outed me as an actual Lando fan today though. I've been mulling over who to root for properly next for a while. It was Mika when I was a kid after the comeback from his accident, which naturally moved over to Kimi when he retired. Considering he's had about 4 seconds of screentime in the last 3 years I've not really had a dog in the fight for ages. But I felt real feels today. Screaming at the telly and everything.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 26, 2021 16:33:27 GMT
I've followed Lando since McLaren signed him as a child, and curiosity had me seeking out and tuning into his Euro Formula races. I've always watched junior formulas but I don't usually go that far down the pyramid. It was immediately clear that he had something extra that set him apart.
I'm pretty happy to see most of the new wave do well though. I really like Leclerc, Russell and Albon as well. They all seem like decent people as well as good sportsmen. Seeing them all twitch streaming together and messing around on racing sims during the pandemic really reinforced that impression for me.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 26, 2021 16:42:52 GMT
It's really strange seeing all these shots that come out now and again showing just how little some of these new stars were when Hamilton was at McLaren. It's really felt like a flash since Schumacher's first retirement to me.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 26, 2021 16:55:04 GMT
Google Norris Vettel photo. Seb had more hair then but really doesn't look that different. Lando is about 3ft tall.
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Post by snackplissken on Sept 28, 2021 14:45:12 GMT
Finished the Schumacher doc last night. Not a patch on the Senna one, felt a little rushed in parts.. but overall enjoyed it. Brought back a lot of memories of growing up in the nineties watching him. That Spain 96! that Ferrari was awful at the time and imo probably the greatest drive of all time. Hopefully some people who didn't grow up watching him will get a good idea of how good he was.
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Post by arnvidr on Sept 30, 2021 7:12:48 GMT
It's near the top of my watch queue now! I remember him from when he was at his peak, but I didn't follow racing at all back then, so I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 1, 2021 9:27:09 GMT
Have to say, I feel pretty down about the Qatar GP news. It feels very 'Ecclestone' in terms of doing what is best for the owner rather than what is best for the sport and fans.
Ethically, it's yet more sports washing and totally undermines the 'we race as one' message. Once again we'll have to depend on the likes of Lewis and Seb to point out the fucking massive elephant in the room.
Then on a purely sporting level, Losail is a narrow bike track with no atmosphere (8000 capacity) and it's likely to be nigh on impossible to overtake in an F1 car. Liberty has just significantly increased the likelihood of both Championships being determined by one moment of luck that gives someone track position, with their rival rendered totally unable to respond through good racecraft. As if finishing the season at Abu Dhabi wasn't bad enough.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 1, 2021 9:36:50 GMT
I'm glad someone else has said it, couldn't agree more. 'We race as one' is literally just a photo op of drivers in t-shirts with nice messages written on the front to them.
I don't think any driver should be blamed if they don't speak up about it while they are actually sat in those countries though. It's a different kettle of fish to Hungary. Who knows what those barbaric cunts would try to pull.
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Post by Graxlar on Oct 1, 2021 10:39:24 GMT
I'm glad someone else has said it, couldn't agree more. 'We race as one' is literally just a photo op of drivers in t-shirts with nice messages written on the front to them. I don't think any driver should be blamed if they don't speak up about it while they are actually sat in those countries though. It's a different kettle of fish to Hungary. Who knows what those barbaric offal pouches would try to pull. Yeah fully in agreement. The we race as one message is constantly being shown up as garbage.
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Post by suicida on Oct 1, 2021 10:44:58 GMT
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Post by Red_Bool on Oct 2, 2021 18:51:04 GMT
On a lighter note, here are the final five laps of Max in Sochi. His engineers' voice is sooo soothing /edit: Click to view...
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Post by suicida on Oct 3, 2021 17:19:04 GMT
Huge crash in Moto3, race red flagged (for the second time today) amazing that everyone walked away from this. Pedro Acosta must've flown 60+ metres down the track at 140+mph
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Post by monkman5000 on Oct 4, 2021 9:56:34 GMT
Watched the C4 highlights of Sochi last night for the hell of it. Had forgotten, Stroll was SOOOO close to bringing out the safety car in the wet - hit the wall pretty hard but managed to get going again. Pretty sure that would have won the race for Norris had Stroll not got going.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 4, 2021 10:04:50 GMT
I've only just stopped crying ffs.
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Post by monkman5000 on Oct 4, 2021 10:06:08 GMT
Yeah I'm still gutted. A real heartbreak.
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Post by Graxlar on Oct 4, 2021 10:08:18 GMT
Watched the C4 highlights of Sochi last night for the hell of it. Had forgotten, Stroll was SOOOO close to bringing out the safety car in the wet - hit the wall pretty hard but managed to get going again. Pretty sure that would have won the race for Norris had Stroll not got going. Norris was having a lot of trouble keeping the car on the track and you can overtake under safety car if the car in front is off track. So I imagine he would have been in a worse position if a SC had come out.
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Post by monkman5000 on Oct 4, 2021 10:10:29 GMT
I think he would have managed to keep it on track under a safety car personally, given that would be the only requirement for holding position. He'd have been ultra cautious. Ah well. Not sure how it could be worse.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 4, 2021 10:10:55 GMT
It would very likely have been a red flag + countback.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 4, 2021 19:48:26 GMT
Apparently, Guanyu Zhou has done enough to get the other Alfa seat, just awaiting his superlicense.
Similar situation to Mick Schumacher in that the F1 bar has always been that bit lower for him due to various marketing departments seeing dollar signs. It's been obvious for a while that all he had to do was be 'half-decent' and he'd get a seat somewhere. The first Chinese F1 driver is a huge deal for F1 viewing figures and I think we'll see all sorts of interesting new sponsors (and probably some dodgy betting companies) next year.
Having said that, he is pretty good and to be fair to him, he is a genuine pioneer who had to deal with the culture shock of moving to Europe at a young age to follow his dream. Definitely has talent, just not as much as de Vries, Illot, Piastri and probably several others who deserve that seat more.
Seems like a nice respectful guy and I hope he does well. He'll get more time than almost anyone else would be permitted to make a go of it but I doubt he'll get within 0.5s of Bottas in qualifying. Speaking of which, not sure if this is good for VB. He really should dominate Zhou and the pressure will be off but as Zhou isn't rated, he also can't repair his reputation (similar to Vettel vs Stroll). If he smashes Zhou, he'll get no credit for it, and if Zhou is surprisingly quick, that's even worse for him. Suspect he'll now be forgetten next time someone at the front needs a good number 2 driver.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 5, 2021 21:02:10 GMT
Finally got around to watching the Schumacher doc tonight. If you'll permit a self-indulgent review, please read on:
Overall I thought it was entertaining and well made, with some great 90s F1 archive footage I'd not seen before. Quite disappointed that they essentially ignored his Sauber-Merc Endurance period as his pace in that series was legendary (and was what got him properly noticed), some onboards would have been great (if they even exist). Similarly, there was hardly any coverage of the Merc comeback which would also be really interesting to learn more about his feelings on it.
Good to learn a bit more about what he was like off track, clearly he was a decent man, personable and incredibly dedicated. The interviews with the family do a lot to illuminate that side of him.
On track, the doc further confirmS that he was pathologically certain about his entitlement to employ whatever tactics he saw fit, be it calculated or heat of the moment, irrespective of risks and ethics. On a personal level that's a shame, I'd have loved there to have been some humanising revelations about his racing conduct. Perhaps something along the lines of private doubts or embarrassment about some of those more brazenly unsporting moments. Maybe that's unfair seeing as he's been robbed of the opportunity to reflect and speak for himself, but I really hoped to find something new that gave me pause and an excuse to revise my memories from the time.
It's hard to articulate what I mean by this, but by way of example, there was a recent Netflix documentary about Mardy Fish and Andy Roddick, and in it, Roddick admits that he was an arrogant twat when he was competing and developed this persona as a means of coping with anxiety, self doubts and stress. It totally reframed my perspective of that period. I'm not saying Schumacher was as obnoxious as Roddick btw, only that both had competitive personas that made them hard to like.
Anyway, after watching the doc, I gained further respect Schumacher's single-mindedness and work ethic, but I still can't admire him as a sportsman.
My main takeaway was feeling deeply sorry for Mick. It's tragic that he's been denied the opportunity to speak to his dad about racing. Not that it's in anyway comparable, but motorsport is one of the things I share with my father, and hearing the mixture of sadness and acceptance in his voice at the end, brought a tear to the eye.
Well worth watching, whether you're a Schumacher fan or not.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 8, 2021 10:36:26 GMT
Hamilton taking an engine penalty, which just further confirms that the Bottas Sochi conspiracy was total nonsense. Mercedes clearly have some issues. You'd have thought it's a matter of time before Mclaren get affected too.
Bit of a shame for the race at the front, but given it might rain again, he might get lucky like Max did last time out. I do love Turkey, and if we must have races in countries with problematic regimes, the least they can do is copy Turkey's example and build an awesome track.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 8, 2021 12:09:08 GMT
Bottas has had 5 engines now as far as I know and Hamilton was always going to need a 4th. The fact that there are more races being added to the season and no wiggle room in the allocation means pretty much everyone is going to have to take a 4th regardless of reliability, it's dumb. But to dismiss what they attempted in the last race is a completely blinkered viewpoint but not entirely surprising.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 9, 2021 22:33:41 GMT
Moving on, it seems a good grid for tomorrows race. Quite excited to see how it plays out. A clear Merc track advantage in the dry which should mean the result isn't a forgone conclusion even with the grid penalty. Provided Bottas can keep Max behind (which he's been hopeless at thus far) then there's potential for Hamilton to catch up later on. Hopefully we'll get a good clean battle for once. Should be fun.
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