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Post by Graxlar on Oct 24, 2021 18:24:52 GMT
Well, that's certainly a surprise. Fairly ominous for Merc that Red Bull are this good here. Certainly used to be the case that the 'even' side of the grid was difficult here as well. Perez won't be holding back into T1 will he. Lost bottas to engine pens aswell. I think merc be better on race pace but red bull looking very strong. All these engine penalties say to me that they are using bottas as a test dummy whilst the work on their engine before the freeze |
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 24, 2021 18:38:29 GMT
Brundle chasing after people around the track lane for a chat just looks like an old duffer trying desperately to pull at the the local
Pub.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 24, 2021 19:05:31 GMT
Great start from Hamilton, first lap is entertaining.
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Post by monkman5000 on Oct 24, 2021 19:28:31 GMT
Pretty lame by Mercedes. Should have just pitted the lap after Max did.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 24, 2021 20:46:27 GMT
Mark of a champion from Max with that drive there. Tyre disadvantage and some absolutely horrendous back markers to deal with and brought it home really well. Wouldn't have minded Hamilton getting through just for it to be as close as possible points wise towards the end of the season mind you.
Those two are in an absolute league of their own on race pace.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 24, 2021 22:13:46 GMT
Pretty enjoyable race that. Fair play to Max and Red Bull, they did everything right and banked the win under extreme pressure. Perez also pretty decent until he ran out of water.
Equally, I also think that's probably Lewis's most impressive race since Portimao, he had no right to make that close. I was pretty sceptical about Mercs chances once it was clear Max could just sit in the dirty air and stay in DRS range like it was nothing. Meanwhile Bottas couldn't even pass a Alfa Tauri. An 8 lap offset never seemed likely to be enough. Valiant effort though and at least the strat offset made it interesting.
Elsewhere, I thought Danny Ricc was good. Don't really understand how Sainz got away with failing to lose a position to Norris by running off track and then letting the wrong Mclaren back though. Told to give it back and replied 'no' and the stewards seemingly just accepted that. Bizarre as it was clearly a 'lasting advantage'.
That was classic 'bad Alonso', getting frustrated, and going too far. Bit embarrassing. Kimi too with that spin.
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Post by damagedinc on Oct 24, 2021 22:24:11 GMT
Pretty lame by Mercedes. Should have just pitted the lap after Max did. If I remember rightly they couldn't because I perez. They would gave just kept him out to hold Lewis up. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 29, 2021 8:43:04 GMT
the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-the-mirage-at-the-core-of-f1s-blockbuster-duel/Another good article. By addressing the elephant in the room, it has somewhat pissed on my chips. Namely that Sunday was just a deg race and even when it looked like they are pushing each other to the limit, effectively they weren't and were several seconds within the limits. It was really just one guy risking his tyre condition slightly more and the other guy doing the minimum required to keep track position. There's still a lot of skill in making those judgements and executing, but it's not very satisfying. Even though this has been a good close season, I am very ready for a new era and hopefully, the reduced aero downforce and the larger rims for 2022 will help Pirelli out. Slightly concerned that Brundle said the simulations suggest the cars are almost as fast already, which suggests the load through the tyres will be just as extreme, but I live in hope.
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Post by Graxlar on Oct 29, 2021 9:05:32 GMT
the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-the-mirage-at-the-core-of-f1s-blockbuster-duel/Another good article. By addressing the elephant in the room, it has somewhat pissed on my chips. Namely that Sunday was just a deg race and even when it looked like they are pushing each other to the limit, effectively they weren't and were several seconds within the limits. It was really just one guy risking his tyre condition slightly more and the other guy doing the minimum required to keep track position. There's still a lot of skill in making those judgements and executing, but it's not very satisfying. Even though this has been a good close season, I am very ready for a new era and hopefully, the reduced aero downforce and the larger rims for 2022 will help Pirelli out. Slightly concerned that Brundle said the simulations suggest the cars are almost as fast already, which suggests the load through the tyres will be just as extreme, but I live in hope. You say there is skill in it but it’s basically the pit wall saying if you don’t xx time your tyres will last xx laps and you will win the race. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 29, 2021 11:12:32 GMT
the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-the-mirage-at-the-core-of-f1s-blockbuster-duel/Another good article. By addressing the elephant in the room, it has somewhat pissed on my chips. Namely that Sunday was just a deg race and even when it looked like they are pushing each other to the limit, effectively they weren't and were several seconds within the limits. It was really just one guy risking his tyre condition slightly more and the other guy doing the minimum required to keep track position. There's still a lot of skill in making those judgements and executing, but it's not very satisfying. Even though this has been a good close season, I am very ready for a new era and hopefully, the reduced aero downforce and the larger rims for 2022 will help Pirelli out. Slightly concerned that Brundle said the simulations suggest the cars are almost as fast already, which suggests the load through the tyres will be just as extreme, but I live in hope. You say there is skill in it but it’s basically the pit wall saying if you don’t xx time your tyres will last xx laps and you will win the race. Even if you know what delta you have to drive to, you still have to actually do it consistently, and do it in a way that avoids spinning your rears or locking your fronts or losing time to backmarkers. If it was only about the car/tyre combo and maths the teammates would uniformly finish within a second of each other. So often, a gaps is closing and it gets exciting, but it's just that the bloke ahead is deliberately letting it happen, just conserving tyres as much as possible in case they are needed. We've seen Merc do it so many times, and on Sunday it was Red Bull's turn to enjoy that advantage. I still think that's skillful, even if it's a bit dispiriting. Personally, I'd love them to take away all team to car radio (can keep car to team for entertainment), do away with all real time telemetry, and remove cockpit displays so that the driver was entirely on their own and just driving by feel and pit boards. I doubt any driver could manage a 2sec gap quite so confidently without the constant reassurance of the data. |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 29, 2021 14:29:24 GMT
It's been a problem ever since Pirelli were instructed to design chewing gum tyres. The only time I can honestly remember really seeing a car's true, on the limit pace in a race in the turbo hybrid era is Bahrain 2014.
I do find it weird how there's so much scrambling to now try and dissect what's going on and diminish this year's action during a competitive title fight in the last year of these regulations, when it seemed to be perfectly okay when one team was a second up the road. These issues have been slowly suffocating F1 since at least 2012ish and a lot of very good drivers have been utterly wasted on an attritional, conservative formula. That being said I'm glad to see the fact these guys driving around at 75% of their potential isn't really what F1 should be about gain some traction (lol).
If the cars can follow and pass a lot easier next season as much as they say and track position isn't as absolutely imperative as it is now it should mix things up nicely, tyres and data be damned. Let's all put our hands together for that, we can't have another 6-7 years of this shite.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 29, 2021 16:58:02 GMT
I'm not even sure Pirelli or anyone for that matter, could easily create a tyre that could be pushed hard for a whole race.
The cars are some 150kg heavier and several seconds a lap faster than they were in the previous era so the loads are far far greater. Maybe we do need a tyre war to push development again. Equally I never really liked seeing race wins decided by tyre supply contracts either.
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Post by suicida on Nov 5, 2021 12:42:59 GMT
MotoGP have debuted a new shoulder-mounted camera at this weekend's race at Portimao, and the footage is incredible. Really shows the forces at work and the things the rider has to do to ride those bikes on the limit. Amazing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/qna0qg/full_lap_of_the_algarve_international_circuit/
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Post by damagedinc on Nov 6, 2021 21:32:48 GMT
Well well well
I'm predicting carnage at T1 tomorrow. Such a long run to it.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 7:56:08 GMT
Nice of Red Bull to throw Tsunoda under the bus for that one when they were A: slower anyway and B: should be blaming their dumbass of a 2nd driver for following him off the track like I do on the bloody computer game.
Whiney pricks.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 8:26:47 GMT
Apparently the performance swing was due to track temperature suddenly rising and that suited Merc and hurt RB.
The outcome today might depend on that again. If it's cooler like practice RB have almost half a second a lap, if it's really hot Merc might have a small advantage.
Modern F1 is weird.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 8:48:14 GMT
Reality is that this season is based on very fine margins and is hugely track and condition dependent. There's no underdog in this battle. Red Bull clearly have an advantage on softer compounds over one lap as long as temps aren't as they were yesterday but the Mercs have consistently clawed that back on harder compounds and looked mighty on long runs at a lot of circuits. Only real difference has been Red Bull and Max maximising results at 'their' tracks a fair bit better than Mercedes have so far.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 11:41:36 GMT
I agree.
Only just seen the Red Bull comments about Tsunoda as I switched off as soon as the session finished last night. There really is an unpleasant culture in that team.
As soon as things don't go to plan they lash out and are so quick to point fingers. This time poor Tsunoda is on the receiving end, and he joins the ever growing list of supposed 'red bull family' members who have been publicly demeaned by the supposed father figures.
It's deeply odd. Unless you're the current Marko favourite, in which case they'll defend the indefensible, you get minimal support and protection.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 19:27:56 GMT
Well I think Hamilton will be doing very well too finish ahead of Perez. It seems as though we're firmly back on the traditional México script.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 19:45:22 GMT
Don't know if Ricc has damage, or if it's the hards but he's really slow, and Bottas STILL can't get past.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 20:29:57 GMT
Haha! Merc can barely get past a Mclaren with blue flags today.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 20:36:35 GMT
Dirty air ruined the only chance of action in this dire race here.
I really don't see what tracks like this achieve other than $$$. If cars can't follow even remotely closely without turning into the surface of Mercury then there's absolutely no point.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 20:51:03 GMT
Have we ever had a good Mexican GP? I can't remember one.
I like Checo, but I really don't understand why Crofty is blowing so much smoke up his arse today. Essentially he's finished 20secs behind a teammate who wasn't pushing after lap 10. This year's car is really letting him get away with a level of performance that saw Albon and Gasly finishing in the minor points and under huge media pressure.
Also, Ricciardo finished 35s behind Norris having been 2s behind him with new tyres after the safety car. Largely ignored because they were so far back, but kind of confirms that his intrateam win last race was an outlier.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 21:00:12 GMT
Got to admit, this post race stuff is quite cool stopping in front of the stadium section and the car coming up on the lift. It might be a shit race but they've got great fans.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 21:04:17 GMT
I think Checo's dad has just become my favourite F1 personality. Bloke's having the time of his life.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 21:18:28 GMT
It would be cool if someone can take the baseball arena concept but figure out how to do it around an actual overtaking corner. It clearly works in terms of atmosphere.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 21:22:24 GMT
I'd suggest removing the twisty section and just turning it into one long DRS zone up to the braking point into the stadium. But the cars just melt following here anyway so it's completely pointless. Feels Monacoesque in its own way.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 21:30:27 GMT
If the Sky pundits listened to what Perez actually said, they'd realise that Perez knows he should have finished 2nd and this isn't the 'Sergio delivers at home' narrative they desperately want it to be.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 7, 2021 21:36:20 GMT
I've no idea why Red Bull didn't pit Perez immediately after Lewis when he got stuck behind the Ferrari for a lap. Kinda flubbed an easyish chance at track position with that one.
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Post by muddyfunster on Nov 7, 2021 22:55:46 GMT
I assume they looked at the data and felt that their advantage was so great that they could have their cake and eat it.
i.e. stay out, bank a tyre advantage in case there were late safety cars and still catch and pass when they needed to.
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